Awesome Direct Drive Sim Wheels

[eKretz]

OMG!! The strongest one is rated 24Nm, max 48Nm!


http://www.sensodrive.de/EN/Produkte/Force-Feedback-Wheels/Force-Feedback-Wheels.php

 

[left888]

These wheels look very serious, I don't even want to know how much.

 

[LogiForce]

These things look good, but it's still not good enough to provide a 100% accurate simulated experience. It needs some hydraulics for dampening and spring effects produced by the tyre forces of thread and carcass. Also hydraulics can aid the motor in braking and reversal (if implemented correctly).

Found these wheels a couple of months ago too after searching for ways to drive a wheel myself.

 

[novadave]

Don`t worry about how much they cost as they are for professional simulation testing and training.
Many auto manufacturers and race teams use them in a test enviroment.
these systems were never meant for the general public

 

[Dean]

Call them and find out, about the prices ... I guess, since their costumers are big companies, it's not something the regular person can afford, but it looks very good.

 

[LogiForce]

Call them and find out, about the prices ... I guess, since their costumers are big companies, it's not something the regular person can afford, but it looks very good.

It's probably between 3000-4000 euros I reckon. Best wheel with full package that is.

 

[eKretz]

I emailed requesting pricing for the heck of it, guess we'll see.

 

[readyfe]

These servos look VERY similar to those used by Leo Bodnar and his FFB wheel...

 

[eKretz]

These servos look VERY similar to those used by Leo Bodnar and his FFB wheel...

Yes that's to be expected. They are all very similar even when made by different companies (servo motors).

 

[K_Soze]

A lot of torque for a lot of smoothness. I have driven a Cruden last summer, the wheel FFB motor is the same than those used for the platform motion. They advice pilots to remove their hands from the wheel when colliding a wall in order to avoid injures.

 

[eKretz]

Cough, cough, whew. A guy on Race Department said he got a quote for the strongest version, Senso HT, of €15,000. Insanity. Definitely need to be a race team to afford that baby.

Edit: Okay they just got back to me, the range is €4,000-€15,000.

 

[PLazarou]

Is this the kind of kit F1 teams put in their simulators? Or do they make their own?

 

[LogiForce]

Is this the kind of kit F1 teams put in their simulators? Or do they make their own?

BMW uses the strongest version, as said on that product's page. What the rest does... no idea.

Edit: ooops, it was on their page still last year. It seems they did got a completely new design though, so it is gone. But BMW used it for sure.

 

[kikie]

Cough, cough, whew. A guy on Race Department said he got a quote for the strongest version, Senso HT, of €15,000. Insanity. Definitely need to be a race team to afford that baby.

Edit: Okay they just got back to me, the range is €4,000-€15,000.

Moving on!

 

[mykem]

This is no more than a servo motor which is what the Bodnar wheel is. The secret is actually in the controller and Leo Bodnar makes great controller. I believe if you're able to convince Mr. Bodnar that you're a good candidate for his wheel, the price is around $3K. It may not feel any different than a CSW but unlike CSW, this thing will feel the same regardless if you drive it for 24 hours a day.

 

[eKretz]

I saw in another discussion that it was more like $5600, from someone who bought one.

 

[CTstryk]

Those are some serious toys, nice but outta my league...

 

[Stef Bord]

Perhaps a low cost solution...

http://www.racedepartment.com/forum/threads/my-homemade-ffb-controller.37051/

French topic...

http://www.racingfr.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=45423&st=0

 

[Dean]

Moving on!

Same here

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[Gabkicks]

I just wanted to bump this for anyone else reading up on DD wheels. I've never heard of Cruden before and I still can't find anything on them

 

[K_Soze]

I just wanted to bump this for anyone else reading up on DD wheels. I've never heard of Cruden before and I still can't find anything on them

http://www.cruden.com/ ?

 

[oqvist]

http://www.cruden.com/ ?

lol nice find that required insane google skills

48 NM that was not sustained. Wonder for how long it can give such torque numbers. Is that enough to dislocate shoulders and brake thumbs which is cool.

As for hydraulics I don´t really see why that is needed. All the hydraulics do in real steering wheels is remove feel so you feel nada. Not that hard to simulate

 

[fatkrakr]

As for hydraulics I don´t really see why that is needed. All the hydraulics do in real steering wheels is remove feel so you feel nada. Not that hard to simulate

In a real car that is where the dampening comes from, so Id assume that's what there using it for. Probably the most realistic way to replicate it.

 

[K_Soze]

I don't think that motors used for the wheel is hydraulic, as I am not sure that actuators are hydraulic. They are based on big industrial motors...

Edit : from Cruden hexatech description

"For most professional uses, a simulator is already the eco-friendly, as well as budget-friendly alternative to real vehicle testing and prototype builds. However, the Hexatech's energy-efficient electromechanical motion system typically requires only 5 KWh of electricity. Also, using KERS technology during its operation helps save on running costs even further."

Edit 2 : About actuators
Actuators
The simulator's six electrical actuators provide six 'degrees of freedom' (6-DOF). These are state of the art, using the latest technology including absolute encoders and energy absorbing end-buffers for increased reliability, accuracy and efficiency. Folded motors that drive the actuators through a belt help keep the system compact; the absolute maximum stroke possible for a system that can be transported within a standard shipping container.

 

[highlifeGT]

It's a funny read this thread. Just funny how misinformed many of us were back then about direct drive wheels. Myself included. Soon to be an OSW owner. Only thing to pass time during the wait is to check out threads about direct drive wheels. Such a good time to be an active sim racing gear junkie.

 

[oqvist]

Directdrive revolution went quicker then expected. Quite some people having them already and on the line to getting one. And for not that much money. I mean if you get an OSW for say 1200 euro. You can for sure go less then that many maybe land around 1000 Euro. I ordered package without rim at 725 euro. The only problem with such a nice base you don´t want to cheap out to much on rims and paddles

You then got a setup where you can easy replace parts as they wear out if they wear out. Electronics will probably not last a lifetime though.

How long until you surpassed a say TX owner in total cost? If you are unlucky the breaking point could be well less then 10 years where the OSW solution got cheaper

 

[kikie]

One month ago, I returned my one and a half month old T300RS and asked for a refund. Since I don't have a wheel anymore, I need to get one. Problem is that I don't know which wheel to get.

I have been looking at the OSW and the new Sim-Ple IONI thing from Ollie. This is a cheaper solution than the original OSW. The problem is that I still don't know if it's worth all than money just to play .... race games. I'm not that much interested in FFB and always turn down the FFb as much as possible without the wheel feeling dead. And there is the problem.
Is a DD wheel such as the OSW worth all that money if I'm not really interested in FFB? Besides the FFB, what are the other advantages of a DD wheel compared to a main stream toy wheel? Is it more accurate, less latency?

 

[oqvist]

One and a half week? Or did you manage to get a refund after one and a half year

There is no reason it would be more accurate nor have less latency then say an Ecci 6000 GTS. I don´t quite recall what encoder that uses but if you really don´t care about forces and the accuracy of the ffb I have no idea why you are looking for an OSW.

Get some bass shakers instead great for all kind of entertainment.

 

[kikie]

One and a half week? Or did you manage to get a refund after one and a half year

There is no reason it would be more accurate nor have less latency then say an Ecci 6000 GTS. I don´t quite recall what encoder that uses but if you really don´t care about forces and the accuracy of the ffb I have no idea why you are looking for an OSW.

Get some bass shakers instead great for all kind of entertainment.

Month! I forgot to write "month".

No, I really don't care for the accuracy of the FFB and forces in general. I played Assetto Corsa and pCars with my non FFB SRW S1 for a while and I didn't miss the FFB at all. What I did miss just a little bit, was some resistance.
My SRW S1 is no more, it's kaputt. My third SRW S1.

I was looking for an OSW because I thought that the wheel was much more accurate and has much less latency, in general but I think that everybody was referring to the FFB.

So, an DD wheel is probably not what I'm looking for. Maybe getting a good set of pedals is much better than spending money on an expesive DD wheel?!

 

[RReed43]

Accuracy of steering is related to having a high resolution rotation sensor located directly on the wheel hub. Latency would be dependent upon the firmware decoding the rotation and providing it to the game software. Force feedback is provide by motors under software control coming back to the wheel from the game.

I am not an expert on all wheels. I do know that the CSW v2 which I use has a high resolution rotation sensor mounted directly on the hub so there is no mechanical delay in detecting movement of the wheel which can occur in wheels where the rotation sensor operates off of a belt connected to the hub as in the G27.

Latency should not be an issue as the rotation of the wheel is relatively slow in comparison to decoders which convert the rotation to an electronic signal for the game.

What you want is a "spring" effect with very little force feedback. This is easily dialed in using the controls built into a CSW v2. I think you would find CSW v2 a highly satisfying wheel for your purposes. The complaints about the CSW v2 are in regard to the belt drive for force feedback and the loss of feel with the belt versus a servo motor mounted directly on the hub.