Axis vs. Allies

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I claim no ownership to this challenge. I was merely making suggestions and trying to help out. I think Gil should be the one to accept or decline your proposals.
 
AO,
Those sound acceptable. As long as BOTH cars have an equal amount spent on them or similar mods (oil changes, etc).
You should be good to go.
 
As per Gil's clarification,
Round #3 should read

Pagani Zonda c12S ($X worth of mods) vs. TVR Speed 12 ($X worth of mods)

Or

Pagani Zonda C12s (XXX Hp w/ these mods) vs. TVR Speed 12 (XXX Hp w/ identical mods)

?

I'll take a run at it tonight.

AO
 
OK...cue up 80's hair band riff...and the story goes...

Round 1: Rome
150,000 cr total spent on each car.
NSX Type R with mods Vs. Motor Sport Elise with mods (not to exceed 150,000, including price of car).
Not yet...

Round 2: Seattle II
Calsonic Skyline (Stock? Oil change?) vs. Viper GTSR Team Oreca (Same?)

Calsonic Skyline (stock 461hp)
20 laps
Settings (stock other than ASM &TCS = 0)
Best lap: 1’31.720
Spot times: 18.897; 58.648

Viper GTSR Team Oreca (stock 570 hp)
20 laps
Settings: Stock other than ASM &TCS = 0
Best lap: 1’31.512
Spot times: 19.083; 58.335

Now these are very loose times. Absolutely clean runs (no walls, or bumps) but very loose, none the less. I know that more time could come off of each of these runs, but the Viper has a superior acceleration and power. The Calsonic was a much tighter and easier car to drive. That may be due to my preference towards grip driving instead of drifting. The Viper had a considerable higher tendency to want to throw the backend around. The Viper had a considerably longer braking distance than the Calsonic did. Which contributed to the Viper having the front end slide out entering corners too fast. All things considered, I think in the right hands the Calsonic can give the Viper a solid run for the money. But after watching the replays, I’d bet more money on the Viper. However, If HP was identical, The Calsonic would win hands down.

Round 3: Tokyo R246

Pagani Zonda c12S
575 Hp, all the other mods. Not sure of the price tag, as I’ve owned it for a bit.
20 laps
Settings: Stock other than ASM &TCS = 0
Best Lap:1’36.699
Spot times: 13.600; 52.872

TVR Speed 12
798 hp, no Hp mods, but all the mods included.
20 laps
Settings: Stock other than ASM &TCS = 0
Best Lap: 1’37.273
Spot times: 13.150; 54.074

I’m still a bit up in the air about which is the faster car. The time says the Pagani, even with the hp deficit. But I couldn’t keep the TVR in a straight line. It wanted to smoke the tires all the way through 4th gear. It took some seriously stringent throttle control to not spin the tires. A serious bit of tweaking is needed on both cars, right out of the box. I’ll have more of a chance to do that later in the week. The Pagani had a longer braking distance, but a better acceleration due to traction. The TVR had better cornering ability, as the Pagani suffered from understeer. With a bit of tweaking I’m certain these car will be quite evenly matched.

Not a huge break out of the gate, but this does give us a basis to start the Axis vs. Allies competition. After all, a journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

AO
 
AO,
Your results are bearing out my predictions thus far. Am waiting patiently for Round one results. :D
 
Ahhh...Gil, unfortunately, you'll have to wait until Monday the 23rd. I've got meetings tonight until 10pm, and then back in to the office at 6am tomorrow. I'll have the round one results sometime about 7am Monday.

I'd like to see a few others post up a time or two.

Thanks,
AO
 
Originally posted by Der Alta
Ahhh...Gil, unfortunately, you'll have to wait until Monday the 23rd. I've got meetings tonight until 10pm, and then back in to the office at 6am tomorrow. I'll have the round one results sometime about 7am Monday.

I'd like to see a few others post up a time or two.

Thanks,
AO
No hurry, I'm waiting for more people to get involved before I break loose with some tests of my own.
On a related note... I've been running LoudMusic's 150K challenge and managed to spank a Lotus Elise with an Opel Speedster at Midfield by nearly 3 seconds. :eek:
In fact, I'm off to defend my title against a Viper. 😈
 
Round 1: Rome

150,000 cr total spent on each car.
NSX Type R with mods Vs. Motor Sport Elise with mods (not to exceed 150,000, including price of car).

As a separate aside note here, in a more recent challenge, (150,000cr challenge v.2) I ran a Mazda Rx-7 RZ at 149,980 and placed a time of 1'09.027 at Midfield. I ran a Dodge Viper and a Corvette Z06 as an attempt to beat it. The Mazda was turning 597hp. The Viper was turning 717hp and the Z06 was turning XXXhp. In the Viper I placed 1’10.236. In the Z06 I placed a 1’08.406. Nearly two seconds faster. Seeing as how I have these three cars already modded to the 150,000cr limit, I’ll run a few laps to see how I place.

Corvette Z06
Best lap: 83.092 seconds
Calculated best lap (from Analyzer): 82.427 seconds

Mazda RX-7 RZ
Best lap: 83.888
Calculated best lap (from Analyzer): 83.080 seconds

That’s in addition to the NSX Type R and the MS Elise. These are both in the appropriate price range, and available mods should be fairly equal.

NSX Type R
I was very excited to get this car up and running. Not too much to spend in the way of upgrades, but I picked the important ones. Suspension, power and tires. Wrapped up spending 149,770 credits and hitting a whopping 340hp. The best I managed was 1’30.660, nearly 7 seconds slower than the Z06. Spot times show 29.787, 1’03.336. Disappointed is a light word.

Motor Sport Elise.
At 100,000cr it was nearly twice the cost of the Z06. With limited power mods available because of the added expense, I was only able to boost the power 277 hp. This was at a total cost of 149,900cr. I might think about redoing the NSX to match the mods on the Elise, and see what that might change. I’m not sure if it was the lighter weight, but this car was significantly faster. Even with a sloppy, but clean run, I was able to manage a 1’29.135. Over a second and a half faster than the NSX. With some adjustment and tweaking, I’m certain this car/mod combination can get into the low 1’28 range. Spot times show 29.216, and 1’02.437.

War Campaign:

Allies: 4
Axis: 0

BTW: Gil, are you still sure you're defending you're title against a Viper?... :P :D

AO
 

BTW: Gil, are you still sure you're defending you're title against a Viper?... :P :D

AO [/B]

Actually, I understand that there is a 'Vette that has the honor of being first, At the moment, I'll have to sort out my Camaro and 'Vette and see what I can do. I'm in the High 1:10's at the moment. :confused:
 
I am checking it's progress every so often. It's an open comp, so I hope folks see it and consider it.
It's really just a thought stimulator. I ran into a closed mind and in the process of trying to open it I came up with this challenge.
 
In fact, It has opened my eyes some.
The littlest cars with the smallest HP are often faster just due to superior P/W ratio and better suspension.
And just because a car costs a lot, don't make it a "contender".
 
Okay guys and gals!
Back in the spot light with this challenge.
Seems we're butting heads here on the planet on this issue once again.
I re-iterate. IN THE GAME Japanese cars are at the advantage.
I came up with this challenge because i believe that in the game ,
CR to CR japanese cars will beat up on the others. I made the reference to WWII just to make thing interesting.

HAVE AT IT. And please remember to respect each other. You don't have to agree, But if you jump into the fray maintain respect.
Thanx, Enjoy.
 
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