Bad things are going to happen because of Tokyo Drift

[IMADreamer]

The only thing I am really basing my f and f causes street racing arguement off of is the pure explosion of the scene. I'm not sure how many of you were in high school in the 90s but let me tell you kids were not into cars and racing like they are now. In my class there was me and a maybe 3 or 4 other guys that were really into cars and honestly we were into car stereo comps more then engine tuning. That scene got boring so we started trying to make more hp. Now 7 years later after I graduated high school and we have a huge tuner scene in my small ass town. You can go to the schools lot and see maybe a dozen or more cars with wings, fart cannons, and some really nicely done cars too. This is roughly a 300% increase in this in my town of 4000 people. I know 4-12 people doesn't sound like much an increase but it is considering how small the high school is (roughly 400 students). Figure only half of those own cars, half of the car owners are dumb rednecks with big loud trucks, and you are stuck with a small minority of kids among who many are into street racing and tuning.

I can't find anything other then f and f to account for the boom in the tuner scene in my home town. We don't have shops, a strip. or car shows so I don't know how else they would get into it.

I have to wonder if the people here that are denying this are a little embarrassed that they got into tuning through f and f? That may not be the case at all but if it is that's cool. Whatever gets you into cars I am all for because the more people into it the better it is for everyone because the more cars, parts, and legal ways to race we will see and that benefits all of us.

Which brings me to another point. Why is it not cool to like f and f? Yes the acting sucked but there were some nice cars in that show and the story line wasn't that bad really. You have to appreciate the cars if you are a car guy. Now sure it portrayed what we do in a negitive light but it did have some value.

Ok rant over.

 

[a6m5]

I'm not saying that this was true everywhere else, but in Oregon, kids were tuning cars F&F style long before the movie came out. Yes, we were very excited when the movie came out, but the F&F did not start the trend.

P.S. I did hear that import tuning trend started from the West Coast in the States. Maybe that was the case.

 

[1X83Z]

but in Oregon, kids were tuning cars F&F style long before the movie came out

I agree. I'm curious as to where IMADreamer lives, because in a small town it wouldn't surprise me if a movie started a fad, whereas in big towns this fad started long before the film.

 

[Tornado]

A Few Good Men came out in late 1992 so you're wrong there.

Might he have meant Operation Desert Storm?
Anyways, back to the subject at hand, no. The movie does not incraese the amount of idiots on the road. It does, however, increase both the amount of attention said idiots get because of the "aura" of the street racing scene; and it increases the amount of money said idiots throw at their Honda Civic's.

Yeah, it's so unrealistic that Rhys Millen actually did that stunt. You know, for real.

Yeah, because the stunt from the movie was modified in that the car was actually going down. I would really like to see the "King of all drifing" drift up-hill, because the physics student in me tells me it would be a lot harder, if not impossible, when compared to doing it downhill.

 

[McLaren]

Are you saying Millen couldn't do it?

The man's an ex-rally car driver. I'm sure he's had some experience around drifting on sloped turns.

 

[Syntax error]

Yeah, because the stunt from the movie was modified in that the car was actually going down. I would really like to see the "King of all drifing" drift up-hill, because the physics student in me tells me it would be a lot harder, if not impossible, when compared to doing it downhill.

Rhys Millen is an ex competitor of Pikes Peak events (and winner as well I believe). If you ever get a chance to check out how they "drift" up hill, it's worth it. (Although I do admit there is a big difference to "drifting" in dirt or on tarmac).

Unfortunately the physics student in you is telling you the wrong thing. It is possible to drift both heading up or going down a hill, It all relates back to vehicle power and driver control.

If you want to see some old school Japanese street drifting, check out some of the older HPI (high performance Imports) dvd's, they’ll show you how to drift up hills. Personally I never quiet understood the reasons behind drifting, sure it can look alright but what else do you really achieve with it.... anyway that’s a discussion for another thread another time....

 

[Tornado]

Are you saying Millen couldn't do it?

I'm saying that until I see some sort of video, I don't believe anyone can do it. The simple idea of an uphill-hairpin drift just doesn't seem like it would work at all.

 

[IMADreamer]

I agree. I'm curious as to where IMADreamer lives, because in a small town it wouldn't surprise me if a movie started a fad, whereas in big towns this fad started long before the film.

I'm from the midwest. Illinois to be exact. Before f and f the only cars getting tuned around here were mustangs and camaros.

 

[harrytuttle]

- It "jumpstarted" the auto industry into caring about the economy car once again

You don't think rising gas prices had anything to do with that? Or the already existing compact car scene (which, in it's then-current form, pre-dated the movie by at least 6 years)?

 

[harrytuttle]

Yeah but actually I heard that statistic about enlistment going up for military movies about a week after Pearl Harbor came out, in May 2001. In fact, I didn't even make the connection until after I had hear that stat. 9/11 nad nothing to do with that, chief. A Few Good Men came out in late 1992 so you're wrong there.

Every time the US has been attacked, enlistment skyrockets. WWI had very low US interest, until the Lusitania incident. The US was very split on Germany until it was invaded by Japan at Pearl Harbor. The US was also very uninterested in getting into war with anyone until 9/11.

Again, if you had read the rest of the post (or if you were old enough to remember, which you really don't seem to be) some of the most well-done war movies came out at a time when people were too anti-military to care. The few blips in the elistment could be attributed to any number of things. Lousy economy, high unemployment, higher military wages/benefits...maybe even 'Shrek'. The bottom line is movies have no perceivable effect on military enlistment.

The Dawn Patrol (1938)
Gunga Din(1939)
Dirty Dozen (1967)
Catch 22 (1970)

All of these movies are very popular, very well made, and very pro-military. Why didn't these movies make any impact on the US military? Because movies have no perceivable effect on military enlistment.

It helps to know actual history, not just pop culture history with a few Fox News stats thrown in. It's funny you should even mention Pearl Harbor because the actual causes of enlistment are in the movie itself.

In fact, this entire thread should prove it to you. We've established that masses of people aren't drifting on the highways and streets simply because of three movies, so why should one military movie show an increase in the line forming at the "America Wants You" poster? If anything, the same "demographic" that is influenced with the desire to drift, surf, rob banks, or sacrifice Barbie dolls to Cthulhu, is probably the same small group that showed up re-enacting "Alice's Restaurant". Bet their neighbors' dogs dictate their actions, too.

Back on topic: drifting sucks. News at 11.

 

[a6m5]

The Dawn Patrol (1938)
Gunga Din(1939)
Dirty Dozen (1967)
Catch 22 (1970)

All of these movies are very popular, very well made, and very pro-military. Why didn't these movies make any impact on the US military? Because movies have no perceivable effect on military enlistment.

Those are ancient examples! Dirty Dozen is a classic, but it was a movie about WWII, so I don't think it would have helped recruitment for Vietnam War, even if that was the intent. Movie I mentioned, "Top Gun" did increase the enlistment in the late 80's. It was by quite a margin.

 

[Scaff]

I'm saying that until I see some sort of video, I don't believe anyone can do it. The simple idea of an uphill-hairpin drift just doesn't seem like it would work at all.

Have you watched 'Climb Dance'?

If not google it, all the uphill drifting you could want.

Scaff

 

[KSaiyu]

I'm saying that until I see some sort of video, I don't believe anyone can do it. The simple idea of an uphill-hairpin drift just doesn't seem like it would work at all.

They could have done some trick photography/modifying sure, but it is possible to do uphill, and on tarmac (one WRC tarmac event with uphill hairpins is France, don't have any videos at hand though). Would be nice to see some behind the scenes however to see what was involved in the real scene.

 

[1X83Z]

Might he have meant Operation Desert Storm?

Of course he did. And had you actually researched that like I did, you would've discovered that Desert Storm ended almost two years prior to the release of the movie.

An annoying font doesn't make you smart...

Every time the US ... Bet their neighbors' dogs dictate their actions, too.

All that and not a single reference or fact. Don't worry though you're off the hook - I briefly Googled it and found no relevant results. I still maintain my correctness.

 

[Tak 121]

In fact, this entire thread should prove it to you. We've established that masses of people aren't drifting on the highways and streets simply because of three movies, so why should one military movie show an increase in the line forming at the "America Wants You" poster? If anything, the same "demographic" that is influenced with the desire to drift, surf, rob banks, or sacrifice Barbie dolls to Cthulhu, is probably the same small group that showed up re-enacting "Alice's Restaurant". Bet their neighbors' dogs dictate their actions, too.

Back on topic: drifting sucks. News at 11.

two things 1: There was one movie about drifting
2: What do you mean drifting sucks?

 

[Schrodes]

The biggest impact F&F movies seems to have had near me is a dramatic increase in try hard Nismo or TRD stickers on crappy Pulsars or Corollas.

"Cars" is easily my car movie of the year so far.

 

[1X83Z]

two things 1: There was one movie about drifting
2: What do you mean drifting sucks?

He means what he says. Drifting sucks. Duh?

 

[IMADreamer]

The biggest impact F&F movies seems to have had near me is a dramatic increase in try hard Nismo or TRD stickers on crappy Pulsars or Corollas.

"Cars" is easily my car movie of the year so far.

I want to see cars so bad but my friends all suck and are too grown up to go watch it. They just think it's a cartoon, but I have heard that if you know cars there are a lot of inside jokes that are great.

Back on topic, sorta. I saw a nismo sticker on a toyota the other day.

 

[a112]

I want to see cars so bad but my friends all suck and are too grown up to go watch it. They just think it's a cartoon, but I have heard that if you know cars there are a lot of inside jokes that are great.

Back on topic, sorta. I saw a nismo sticker on a toyota the other day.

That is REALLY stupid,unless the car is equiped with Nissan(Nismo) engine/running gear/whatever equipment IMHO!

 

[IMADreamer]

That is REALLY stupid,unless the car is equiped with Nissan(Nismo) engine/running gear/whatever equipment IMHO!

I found it more hilarious then stupid. The girl I was with had no clue why I was laughing so hard. I did give the guy a very sarcastic thumbs up as I went by. Stupid people need love too.

 

[Tornado]

Of course he did. And had you actually researched that like I did, you would've discovered that Desert Storm ended almost two years prior to the release of the movie.

That's pretty funny. I could have sworn that it ended on March 10th, 1991 when they started leaving the country. Why you are trying to start **** with me is beyond me, because I was merely suggesting what he might have been reffering to.

An annoying font doesn't make you smart...

So, why should I care? Trolling doesn't make you look smart either.

 

[harrytuttle]

two things 1: There was one movie about drifting
2: What do you mean drifting sucks?

I'm just being mean-spirited. Remember your Saturday Afternoon Tests? Well:

Drifting is to Racing, as Figure Skating is to Hockey, and Ballet Dancing is to Rugby.

It can be beautiful to watch, but it's not a sport. Real sports do not have subjective results, in my old-man's opinon.

 

[DARKEST_HOUR]

It can be beautiful to watch, but it's not a sport. Real sports do not have subjective results, in my old-man's opinon.

"Yes, drifting is a sport, that involves engines. Therefore it is a form of motorsport. Deal with it."

^^Taken from "On the philosophy of drifting, or: You say "po-tay-to", I say "po-tah-to" thread

 

[harrytuttle]

Of course he did. And had you actually researched that like I did, you would've discovered that Desert Storm ended almost two years prior to the release of the movie.

That was kind of the point. It was a movie, it was good, and it helped me immeasureably in Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, but that's about it.

And I've been using IMDB pretty much since its inception. It has settled so many debates....

All that and not a single reference or fact. Don't worry though you're off the hook - I briefly Googled it and found no relevant results. I still maintain my correctness.

Well, you could watch the History channel for 5 minutes; some WWII documentary is sure to come along. Or you could ask your grandparents (my condolences if they've already passed). Or you could actually look through the links at Google, not the summaries, and find this (it shows up on the first page):

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2006/spring/aad-ww2.html

Half-way down the page, you will see a narrow but smooth bell curve showing enlistment numbers (represented in the enlistment cards chart).

From one of my more favorite movies: "It's just beamed all over the place. You just gotta know how to grab it. I know how to grab it."

An annoying font doesn't make you smart...

I don't get it. Resorting to insults when all else fails? How does anyone take you seriously? It's a web forum based on a video game. You need to get some perspective.

 

[a6m5]

From one of my more favorite movies: "It's just beamed all over the place. You just gotta know how to grab it. I know how to grab it."

It's "Heat", isn't it?

 

[1X83Z]

That's pretty funny. I could have sworn that it ended on March 10th, 1991 when they started leaving the country.

Well, I mean, what do you want from me? The cease-fire was declared on February 26, 1991, and Kuwait was declared liberated the following day. Regardless, since the movie came out in December of 1992 it was indeed nearly two years following.

I don't get it. Resorting to insults when all else fails? How does anyone take you seriously? It's a web forum based on a video game. You need to get some perspective.

My perspective is basically this: in a day, I won't remember your username.

 

[harrytuttle]

It's "Heat", isn't it?

Yes, but it's not the movie that was important; it's what the quote itself meant. But nice catch. 👍

 

[B_B_B]

only bad thing i see thats a result of this movie is that the price of all the pretty 70's monti's are gonna go through the roof

 

[harrytuttle]

My perspective is basically this: in a day, I won't remember your username.

That's supposed to mean something on a web forum with thousands of members talking about video games and cars they can't afford?

Guess I had you pegged from the start. You're the class clown. No, wait, that's someone else. Whatever you are, I guess every group has one. Or two. And I'm pretty sure you won't forget anyone's username. You're too smart for that, aren't you?

But whatever. I'm here to have fun and like Chris Rock said: just let it sliiiiide. (I love using quotes. You hardly have to think up anything original for yourself.)

 

[Famine]

In fact, this entire thread should prove it to you. We've established that masses of people aren't drifting on the highways and streets simply because of three movies, so why should one military movie show an increase in the line forming at the "America Wants You" poster? If anything, the same "demographic" that is influenced with the desire to drift, surf, rob banks, or sacrifice Barbie dolls to Cthulhu, is probably the same small group that showed up re-enacting "Alice's Restaurant". Bet their neighbors' dogs dictate their actions, too.

Hmmm...

I wonder what would happen if they watched Brokeback Mountain...