Beater or Sleeper? GT6 Car of the Week Thread

[Obelisk]

Not sure what the thanks are for, perhaps you were intending to mention @Draggon rather than me. Unless you are thanking me for my brief review, which I can certainly appreciate. Some feedback won't hurt, either. 👍
The MX-5 color? It's a paint chip known as Plum Crazy, which can be had by purchasing a 1970 Dodge Challenger. The chubby Challenger, being useful? You can believe it, brother!

And speaking of being useful, I'll let you in on another thing; someone just hit 8,000 posts recently. Very, very recently...

@Niku Driver HC 8000 GET?

 

[Niku Driver HC]

@Niku Driver HC 8000 GET?

What a way to open a new page in this thread, with a well-nailed guess. Good job, sir, guess my cryptic message was not that cryptic to begin with...

 

[Obelisk]

What a way to open a new page in this thread, with a well-nailed guess. Good job, sir, guess my cryptic message was not that cryptic to begin with...

I clicked on your avatar.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I clicked on your avatar.

Well, they do say that one can Cheat 2 Win, otherwise Brock Lesnar's reign as WWE's champion would have not ended before Wrestlemania 20. Are you an honorary member of the Guerrero family, then?

 

[Nismonath5]

Lol whoops. Thanks @Draggon, though the review is very good, Niku..
Plum crazy, aye? That's the colour that's already on my Camaro, and I swear it's darker than that looks on that MX-5.. must be the different lighting

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Lol whoops. Thanks @Draggon, though the review is very good, Niku..
Plum crazy, aye? That's the colour that's already on my Camaro, and I swear it's darker than that looks on that MX-5.. must be the different lighting

Haha, I was expecting that to happen, my Spider Sense did not fail this time around... Either way, I appreciate the feedback, but don't keep yourself from pointing mistakes and/or other things about the review. To me, that still means more than a like, even if my posts gather quite a few of those from time to time...

Indeed, the MX-5's codename should have tipped you off on that one. As for the color looking more dark, it could have something to do with me fiddling with the camera controls before taking pictures. Sometimes I may make them a touch darker to avoid too much sun reflection, other times I may actually resort to post-editing. But for the MR2 review pictures, no post-editing was done, so it's probably the camera's "fault"...

 

[Nismonath5]

Haha, I was expecting that to happen, my Spider Sense did not fail this time around... Either way, I appreciate the feedback, but don't keep yourself from pointing mistakes and/or other things about the review. To me, that still means more than a like, even if my posts gather quite a few of those from time to time...

Indeed, the MX-5's codename should have tipped you off on that one. As for the color looking more dark, it could have something to do with me fiddling with the camera controls before taking pictures. Sometimes I may make them a touch darker to avoid too much sun reflection, other times I may actually resort to post-editing. But for the MR2 review pictures, no post-editing was done, so it's probably the camera's "fault"...

Reason I ask is because I'm trying to match this colour, to complete my Camaro SS Edge Special replica..

 

[Obelisk]

Well, they do say that one can Cheat 2 Win, otherwise Brock Lesnar's reign as WWE's champion would have not ended before Wrestlemania 20. Are you an honorary member of the Guerrero family, then?

No. I am not.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

No. I am not.

Hmm, a direct response with no humor? You may not be an honorary Guerrero, but your Captain Snarker skills are getting better with each passing day...

 

[Obelisk]

Hmm, a direct response with no humor? You may not be an honorary Guerrero, but your Captain Snarker skills are getting better with each passing day...

And how do you suppose I'm a Snarker and not just emotionless? This needs scrutiny from @McClarenDesign and a proper verdict.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

And how do you suppose I'm a Snarker and not just emotionless? This needs scrutiny from @McClarenDesign and a proper verdict.

Not having an emotion could snap into becoming a Snarker... It's just like the classical "so bad it becomes good" story, you know. And if Brad gets wind of this, he's bound to have both our behinds court-martialed for doubting his skills...

 

[Obelisk]

Not having an emotion could snap into becoming a Snarker... It's just like the classical "so bad it becomes good" story, you know. And if Brad gets wind of this, he's bound to have both our behinds court-martialed for doubting his skills...

I don't doubt his skills. I doubt that your judgement is sound.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

 

[Niku Driver HC]

I don't doubt his skills. I doubt that your judgement is sound.

Possibly so, for both the first and the second one. We all make mistakes, right? Personally, I tend to avoid being emotionless, which could be the cause of my clouded judgment on this one... All I ask is to not take this part too seriously, figuring out people's feelings isn't my strongest suit.

Two great videos, both from the same MR2-respecting country; the good ol'US of A. Saa's video may as well come with an R rating, given how pornographically good that black Toyota looks, that is how all non-tuned MR2 should be preserved. Calling it "pristine" would be an understatement... Listening to that supercharged engine purr gives me a smile from ear to ear, I can assure you.

Also, where's that next week guess, Brad? Did family commitments get to you again?

 

[McClarenDesign]

Apologies for the delay. Friday's race at Monza was the last positive result before an endless weekend of maximum but mostly wasted effort.

Pros: Upgraded monitor, win at Monza w/o much incident/sand.
Cons: broken monitor, knowledge that after 6 hours I cou
ld've fixed the problem but poor design meant that the solution would never be preventable and I'd just spent 6 hours of my life learning that the solution would simply been borrowed time, unexpected expense previously allocated to something else, and I haven't slept since Thursday night. I am after this though, so please forgive any mistakes.

@Niku Driver HC / @Obelisk , yes I noticed, however we've spent enough time off topic this week so I'll just increase the punishment for future offenses exponentially rather than incrementally. You're welcome.

This car got my attention accidentally, somewhere on YouTube saw nice video of car, partly telling story of car, had to do quick research and follow few enthusiast forums to get inner being of this car on GT6.

First impression on stock didn't sell car to me, nailing real-world setup on it and true nature came out. Then car was sold directly, but after seeing so many ways of setups what people use in real-life had to check what kind of personalities this car can have, car just keep me hooked with different variations where you can tune it.. Didn't have choice to post only one setup, had to give few choices for others too.
My personal favorite is no-ARB setup on racing or track day style driving, then there is one with ARB when just want to cruise, or for fooling around there is setup in that purpose too.

I'll give proper review of no-ARB setup later, gotta take few laps again to have whole story in mind.

Congratulations OdeFinn! Pick a car, any car, so long as it's...

...
the 1970 Toyota CELICA 1600GT (TA22)!

TA, huh?

Also, I missed it last week, but this makes 4 weeks in a row with Japanese cars, so I'll be making sure that next week's car is from another country as part of our 4th Intervention. Nothing wrong with your choice, @OdeFinn , we just like to make sure that the cars we test offer variety.

This week's "Playing With TTs!" time trial event, for instance.

Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way... turn.

Also, where's that next week guess, Brad?

En su bocha.

 

[JackRyanWMU]

Three Toyotas in the last four weeks. It's like rescuing Gilligan and the rest of the castaways from the island and then giving them coconuts.

 

[Nismonath5]

Sooo, what exactly is the deal with Interventions? Is that when the cars have been running along the same sort of theme for too long so Brad decides to stir things up? Again, something I'm too new to know about, someone please fill me in..

 

[JackRyanWMU]

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And that concludes my review of the '86 Toyota Supercharged MR2. Take a car that's around a Honda Fit level performance, with a wheelbase too short and narrow to handle a mid-engine design and then task it with more power than it should be burdened with, and you get a car that's an absolute widowmaker as is. But then you price it at a point where a testosterone-fueled teenager can acquire it as their first car? The MR2 must have been responsible for a third of the teen highway death rate by itself in the 80's. It's not just a Beater, it's likely to be on my shortlist for "Beater of the Year."

 

[MidFieldMaven]

MSRP of the MR2 Supercharged in 1988 was over $16,000 which comes to over $33,000 in today's economy. I don't think many teens were affording one until the late 90s or early 2000s.

 

[Cowboy]

I finally might have the time to do a full review this week.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

@Niku Driver HC / @Obelisk , yes I noticed, however we've spent enough time off topic this week so I'll just increase the punishment for future offenses exponentially rather than incrementally. You're welcome.

Can I really be welcome? Well, I won't look a gift horse right in the mouth, so I'll accept the gift. Pardon for straying a bit far from the topic, but part of it was justified due to my celebratory 8,000th post. Just feeling the party mood, you know?

And speaking of mouths;

En su bocha.

Don't you go Spaniard on me, Bernardo. One does not bring up some French guy (I believe so, that is) and suddendly snap into Spanish mode, that would be the equivalent of me talking about basketball players and bringing David Beckham into the mix. If anything, stick to the French language for your proud innuendos, like "Dans ta bouche". That's how the real pros do it...

As for the Celica, I may get slaughtered for saying this, but I think that it is a rather ho-hum '70s JDM coupe. Yes, the design is certainly lovely in its own 'Murican muscle car-esque way, especially if you get a set of Watanabe rims to go along with the package, but the rest of the spec sheet fails to stand out even in comparison with its contemporary rivals. It's not the most-powerful or the most unique, roles given to the 2.0-litre GT and Liftback versions respectively, so it seems we got the middle man for this. Personally, I'm not expecting much more than a refined Isuzu Bellett GT-R, but the Celica can always try to prove me wrong... if it can, that is.

 

[todally_lit]

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Great review!!

 

[McClarenDesign]

Sooo, what exactly is the deal with Interventions? Is that when the cars have been running along the same sort of theme for too long so Brad decides to stir things up? Again, something I'm too new to know about, someone please fill me in..

Pretty much, yeah. If we linger on the same country of origin (thusfar only Japan, because Otaku) we might miss everything else the world has to offer. The point of our group was to experience cars that might not usually be selected for races or events.

Variety is the spice of life, and if there's anything David Lynch has taught me, it's that the spice must flow!

.......AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is it wrong that I read that with the voice of Clarkson in my head?

 

[Vic Reign93]

Pretty much, yeah. If we linger on the same country of origin (thusfar only Japan, because Otaku) we might miss everything else the world has to offer. The point of our group was to experience cars that might not usually be selected for races or events.

Variety is the spice of life, and if there's anything David Lynch has taught me, it's that the spice must flow!



Is it wrong that I read that with the voice of Clarkson in my head?

Not wrong, but just incase anyone needs a verbal refresher....



Go to about 20 seconds in and enjoy.

As for the reviews, I should have them sorted out soon.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I was disappointed when the Celica name ceased to exist after the 2005 model year, making it's run a total of 35 years, or about 10 years longer than the MX-5. Wouldn't it be terrible if the MX-5 gets axed in 2026? Well, let's get to the specs.

Toyota Celica 1600GT (TA22) '70
1.6L
114 hp / 6,500 rpm
105 ft-lb / 5,000 rpm
940 kg (2,072 lbs)
348 pp

I'm loving the low curb weight and call me a fanboy but I prefer 60s and 70s Japanese cars over their American counterparts.



Maximum speed on track: 106 mph
Minimum speed through Turn 1: 68 mph

Cars within 0.500 seconds:

1:36.549 - 364 - Daihatsu Storia X4 '00
1:36.627 - 339 - Nissan Exa Canopy L.A.Version Type S '88
1:36.652 - 349 - Fiat Punto HGT Abarth '00
1:36.668 - 338 - Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint Speciale '63
1:36.669 - 348 - Peugeot 106 Rallye '03
1:36.723 - 342 - Isuzu 117Coupé '68
1:36.839 - 349 - Isuzu Piazza XE '81
1:36.842 - 348 - Toyota Celica 1600GT (TA22) '70
1:36.918 - 343 - Mini Cooper '02
1:36.918 - 344 - Renault R8 Gordini '66
1:37.019 - 347 - Isuzu Bellett 1600 GT-R '69
1:37.168 - 352 - Peugeot 307 CC Premium AVN '04
1:37.215 - 351 - Mitsubishi Galant GTO MR '70
1:37.284 - 342 - Toyota Vitz RS 1.5 '00

Lots of Japanese classics finishing within mere tenths of a second of each other. I found the Isuzu 117 to actually be faster around Mid-Field than the Bellett GT-R. Might need to revisit those at some point.

A wild Galant appears! With popular acronyms like GTO in its name, and MR which has been in use even as recently as the sadly-deceased Lancer Evolution. Anyhow, it comes within 4 tenths of the Celica. Just 4. They are perfect rivals.

Both cars have 1.6L engines, and the Galant makes 9 more horses at 7,000 rpm than the Celica does at 6,500 rpm. Torque stays equal at 105 ft-lbs but the Galant is heavier, by 40 kg (88 lbs.) In other words, it's a close call.

Compared with American muscle cars that are many seconds quicker around Mid-Field than the Celica, it's easy to dismiss it as a beater, but if I were in high school in Japan in the late 70s or whatever, I'd definitely take a hard look at the Celica.

 

[McClarenDesign]

Doors: locked.
Lights: out.
Tickets: check.
Atlas: pitched.

Okay, I think we're all set...

...oh crap! Forgot about Dre!

Also forgot about this on my desk at work.

 

[Niku Driver HC]

Brad with a Hot Wheels (?) car!? What sort of CIA-level secret is this? You are opening Pandora's Box, and we were not warned beforehand, good sir...

I would be interested in knowing if you have more of those however

 

[Obelisk]

Doors: locked.
Lights: out.
Tickets: check.
Atlas: pitched.

Okay, I think we're all set...

...oh crap! Forgot about Dre!

Also forgot about this on my desk at work.

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You just lost your adult card. Hand over control of COTW to @Niku Driver HC immediately.

 

[Nismonath5]

Well guys, I was wondering why the Celica felt so familiar to drive, since I've never owned one before, but now I think I know why...

The performance stats are near identical to the Bellett GT-R!
See you guys in about five hours..

 

[McClarenDesign]

Brad with a Hot Wheels (?) car!? What sort of CIA-level secret is this? You are opening Pandora's Box, and we were not warned beforehand, good sir...

I would be interested in knowing if you have more of those however

Maybe?

You just lost your adult card.

1. Make me.
2. All that schooling and you've still learned nothing.
3. Real Michael Schumacher Ferrari, Momma Tifosi and the Lewis Hamilton twins, David Hobbs and coked-out Ryan Reynolds all show what fun is about. Sauber featured mini crew have enough F1 cred to place you under investigation for exceeding fuddy-duddy limits.

Wait....

Are you drawing a pension?