best 800PP car for Endurance race

[MidnightRun85]

Well, my top 3 for Sardegna are, GE010, LM55 and 787B. These are the standouts so far.

I have had sub 25min runs in all the group C GR1 cars (962, C9, 92C and 787B) running higher ride heights and low/high downforce with standard gearboxes and slight diff and suspension changes.

The 2016 GT500 Nismo GTR runs Sardegna easy on 1 stop with low 1.36 laptimes (I may have dipped into 1.35's but I'll need to check).

CLK LM feels great but I did have to run on FM2 to be able to 1 stop.

I'm not sure much else can compete with the "big 3" but still have cars and tuning tweaks to try.

Not sure if that was in reply to my Q but I want to focus on Gr.3 cars for this event - I think I only have one Gr.1 car (787B) and no Gr.2 cars, but a bunch of Gr.3's, plus I'm keen to compete with closely-matched machinery instead of mismatching to gain an advantage...

 

[Mr616]

Hey all, I've just started racing the WTC800 races and I've tried to use the Genesis X and the RX-Vision at Sardegna, both of them maxed in terms of PP (but still far from 800PP). I've managed a win in the RX-Vision after initially messing up the pit strat and nearly running out of fuel with a lap to go, but struggled for three races in the X managing second at best. I've now got my head around the pit strat and the intricacies of the lap to get consistent lap times, so I'm going to have another go or two with the X to see if I can eek a win out of it.

Really enjoying this race, but wondering which Gr.3 cars are viable winners at this race? I know the BRZ is capable - I have it, I just have yet to use it for this race - but are there many other Gr.3 cars which easily win this one? Are there any which simply cannot (or at least are an absolute mission unless you're a rock star) win this one?? I'm not wanting to down-tune a Gr.2 or Gr.1 for this...

On another note - how are you guys managing a no-stop on this race?! Best I've managed is 10 laps in the RX-Vision on FM = 6 and short shifting at about 10% redline. No idea how anyone can stretch this out to full race length!!

I think the no stop is only viable with the Toyota GR010 and Mazda 787B but with short shifting just as the revs start to show on the rev counter. I prefer running a 1 stop and driving harder.

I've won this event in the BRZ GR3 with a mid range turbo, the FT1 (but that was more luck than skill as the AI tripped over back markers). The mid engine GR3s kill the tyres to quick.

All GR2 cars will win you this easily, and most of the discussed GR1s will too with a bit of setup.

Edit: Think the AMG SLS GR3 would be a good shout but haven't tried it myself yet.

 

[Koyaga]

Hey all, I've just started racing the WTC800 races and I've tried to use the Genesis X and the RX-Vision at Sardegna, both of them maxed in terms of PP (but still far from 800PP). I've managed a win in the RX-Vision after initially messing up the pit strat and nearly running out of fuel with a lap to go, but struggled for three races in the X managing second at best. I've now got my head around the pit strat and the intricacies of the lap to get consistent lap times, so I'm going to have another go or two with the X to see if I can eek a win out of it.

Really enjoying this race, but wondering which Gr.3 cars are viable winners at this race? I know the BRZ is capable - I have it, I just have yet to use it for this race - but are there many other Gr.3 cars which easily win this one? Are there any which simply cannot (or at least are an absolute mission unless you're a rock star) win this one?? I'm not wanting to down-tune a Gr.2 or Gr.1 for this...

On another note - how are you guys managing a no-stop on this race?! Best I've managed is 10 laps in the RX-Vision on FM = 6 and short shifting at about 10% redline. No idea how anyone can stretch this out to full race length!!

I think, every GR. 3 Car can win this race. The AI needs about 27 Min. There are a few GR. 3 Cars only have about 750 PP with max tune. With them, u just should try to drive consistently. Portilla always makes 3 Pitstop. The Guy to beat is the AMG.

I only struggled with the Alfa Romeo, because they often rammed me out of track or other assassinations by leaving the pit.

 

[Koyaga]

Not sure if that was in reply to my Q but I want to focus on Gr.3 cars for this event - I think I only have one Gr.1 car (787B) and no Gr.2 cars, but a bunch of Gr.3's, plus I'm keen to compete with closely-matched machinery instead of mismatching to gain an advantage...

Everybody sets his own goals.
Sardegna is top for experimenting all Gr.3 Cars.
Drive, Win 724k, buy a new Gr.3 Car for 450k, tune it, Drive, Win, Buy and Tune next one. So I did about 30-40 times. Then I changed to GR.2 and 1 and tried to set Personal Records in Race- and Laptimes.
After ~120-150 times driving Sardegna u need some new motivation. The AI is dump and at a point it’s boring to compete with it.

Edit: I’m atm revisiting my „older“ Cars and check their tunes. A few new 1:35 -1:36 laptimes where hidden by them, but nothing special so I „have“ to notice u.

 

[MidnightRun85]

Everybody sets his own goals.
Sardegna is top for experimenting all Gr.3 Cars.
Drive, Win 724k, buy a new Gr.3 Car for 450k, tune it, Drive, Win, Buy and Tune next one. So I did about 30-40 times. Then I changed to GR.2 and 1 and tried to set Personal Records in Race- and Laptimes.
After ~120-150 times driving Sardegna u need some new motivation. The AI is dump and at a point it’s boring to compete with it.

Edit: I’m atm revisiting my „older“ Cars and check their tunes. A few new 1:35 -1:36 laptimes where hidden by them, but nothing special so I „have“ to notice u.

That's a good point - easy to collect all the Gr.3 cars this way. I'll start doing that!

My lap times are much slower though, averaging around 1:42/3 and best lap around 1:40 using the RX-Vision on FM=6... With more practice hopefully I'll get a little quicker!

 

[salyn]

Really enjoying this race, but wondering which Gr.3 cars are viable winners at this race? I know the BRZ is capable - I have it, I just have yet to use it for this race - but are there many other Gr.3 cars which easily win this one? Are there any which simply cannot (or at least are an absolute mission unless you're a rock star) win this one?? I'm not wanting to down-tune a Gr.2 or Gr.1 for this...

On another note - how are you guys managing a no-stop on this race?! Best I've managed is 10 laps in the RX-Vision on FM = 6 and short shifting at about 10% redline. No idea how anyone can stretch this out to full race length!!

Most Gr.3 cars are viable winners. If you want to jump straight to one of the stronger ones, check out the Aston Martin DBR9. The Porsche RSR, Peugeot RCZ, and Jaguar F-Type are all also great for most of the Gr.3 events.

Only a couple cars can manage no stop runs, and it's usually more fun to drive faster with a stop in the middle. It's also only the Gr.2 and Gr.1 cars that can do that. For Gr.3 I think you'll be looking at 2 stops, I usually just set the fuel map to what will get me 5 laps on them.

 

[Koyaga]

That's a good point - easy to collect all the Gr.3 cars this way. I'll start doing that!

My lap times are much slower though, averaging around 1:42/3 and best lap around 1:40 using the RX-Vision on FM=6... With more practice hopefully I'll get a little quicker!

1:42 is fast enough to win the Race. Some GR.3 Cars aren’t much faster on fm6, but I forgot wich of them

 

[MidnightRun85]

Most Gr.3 cars are viable winners. If you want to jump straight to one of the stronger ones, check out the Aston Martin DBR9. The Porsche RSR, Peugeot RCZ, and Jaguar F-Type are all also great for most of the Gr.3 events.

Only a couple cars can manage no stop runs, and it's usually more fun to drive faster with a stop in the middle. It's also only the Gr.2 and Gr.1 cars that can do that. For Gr.3 I think you'll be looking at 2 stops, I usually just set the fuel map to what will get me 5 laps on them.

Nice one, thanks I'll add them to the top of the to-buy list then. Know if the Corvette and Mustang are any good here? I have both of them but yet to run them.

I've been running FM6 and short-shifting. The Genesis X does 8 laps and the RX-Vision does 10, so they're one-stoppers. Surely you have to run substantially faster lap times (circa 3-4s) to validate the second stop?

1:42 is fast enough to win the Race. Some GR.3 Cars aren’t much faster on fm6, but I forgot wich of them

I think was averaging a low 1:43 in the RX-Vision when I managed my first win, so I know that works for a 1-stop, just. Laps had to be pretty consistent though. I think the first time I attempted the race was in the Genesis X and I had a couple of shockers and lost by about 3s in the end, also on a 1-stop.

 

[salyn]

Nice one, thanks I'll add them to the top of the to-buy list then. Know if the Corvette and Mustang are any good here? I have both of them but yet to run them.

I've been running FM6 and short-shifting. The Genesis X does 8 laps and the RX-Vision does 10, so they're one-stoppers. Surely you have to run substantially faster lap times (circa 3-4s) to validate the second stop?

I could be remembering wrong, it's been a couple months since I've driven any of them for that race. Kinda never looked back after finding the NSX GT500 and moving onto the other Gr2/1 cars from there.

Never drove the Vette or Mustang. The Viper is great. The Audi R8 LMS is crazy fast but felt really unstable to me with the stock tuning.

 

[Koyaga]

Nice one, thanks I'll add them to the top of the to-buy list then. Know if the Corvette and Mustang are any good here? I have both of them but yet to run them.

I've been running FM6 and short-shifting. The Genesis X does 8 laps and the RX-Vision does 10, so they're one-stoppers. Surely you have to run substantially faster lap times (circa 3-4s) to validate the second stop?

I think was averaging a low 1:43 in the RX-Vision when I managed my first win, so I know that works for a 1-stop, just. Laps had to be pretty consistent though. I think the first time I attempted the race was in the Genesis X and I had a couple of shockers and lost by about 3s in the end, also on a 1-stop.

Most of the cars are ~3 secs faster between fm6 and fm1. So if u drive the whole race for one pitstop with fm6 u maybe need 45 secs longer. A Pitstop needs ~30 secs, depend on how much fuel u need or if u change tires.
With Gr. 3 I always go for 2 Stops. FM on that level to complete 5 laps.

Corvette, Viper, BRZ, AMG, Jaguar, DBR-9, Ferrari…. all good cars and many more. (Audi works also good with praianos tune + max power)

 

[MidnightRun85]

Thanks @salyn and @Koyaga I'll work my way through the Gr.3 cars then!

@Koyaga have you found the 2-stop to be faster? And if you're running 2-stops do you run RM tyres instead of RH? I find the RH tyres can last all the way through 10 laps easy, probably the full distance. Tried RS on the RX-Vision and they were toast after 4 laps.

 

[cyder2]

for me at sardenga i got 1:36 second with toyota gazoo GR010
next 1:37 with 787B

 

[Koyaga]

Thanks @salyn and @Koyaga I'll work my way through the Gr.3 cars then!

@Koyaga have you found the 2-stop to be faster? And if you're running 2-stops do you run RM tyres instead of RH? I find the RH tyres can last all the way through 10 laps easy, probably the full distance. Tried RS on the RX-Vision and they were toast after 4 laps.

I always run RH tires and only change once per race. With some cars u can drive them the whole race, but at the end I often spin or understeer, brake to late and some like that with worn tires. Same with RM for me.

For example. Yesterday or the day before I took the DBR-9 just for testing. First Stint FM6 with RH, pitstop at end of lap 7. Then 2 Stints with fm1 (fm1 on DBR-9 only holds for 4 laps) with RM, but they get really bad in fourth lap so I spun and also drove like a pinball.

I think, it’s best with Gr.3 Cars to go for 2 pitstops and it makes also more fun to drive at max power.

 

[Rotherbach K]

Hi,

My Setup for the Gr010:
RH/RH
Height: 90/90
Stabi: 6/9
Compr. 30/30
Ext. 40/40
frequency 3.5/4.2
Negative 3.0/3.0
Angle V0.10/ V0.05i
Init. Torque 5/5
Acceleration 40/40
Braking 5/5

Front drag 700
Back drag 1012

ECU 88
Restrictor 70
NO Ballast

Braking +2

BR K

 

[Koyaga]

Hi,

My Setup for the Gr010:
RH/RH
Height: 90/90
Stabi: 6/9
Compr. 30/30
Ext. 40/40
frequency 3.5/4.2
Negative 3.0/3.0
Angle V0.10/ V0.05i
Init. Torque 5/5
Acceleration 40/40
Braking 5/5

Front drag 700
Back drag 1012

ECU 88
Restrictor 70
NO Ballast

Braking +2

BR K

What where ur times? And didn’t u write, u had problems with cornering/understeering? Solved ur problems?

For the cornering issue, look at my last posted setup for the GR010 and especially for the ToeAngles there. The rear one shows V. In my mind it works better for cornering. Mistah, the unofficial Recordholder of Sardegna uses this in his setup too.

 

[Rotherbach K]

Hi,

Just did 3 Runs With this Setup. So Not yet enough experience to judge it fully. The toes are Front and Back Vs. Will try to make IT more agressive - but tomorrow.

Times as mentioned in m, previous Post - very stable Mod 37s, some laps down to high 35s. But the Last two laps Always around 44s nö Charge anymore
But U can Go in FM6 a füll Race without Pitting - it ist Boring, but a guaranteed win.


BR K

 

[robisme]

AMG CLK-LM '98 stock settings, just power reduction, won easy, one stop, hards.. prob go faster with decent tune?

 

[salyn]

AMG CLK-LM '98 stock settings, just power reduction, won easy, one stop, hards.. prob go faster with decent tune?

It's hard to say without knowing what kind of lap/race times you got, but probably. If you want to try a solid tune for it, Praiano just posted one:

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

CLK is pretty fast on 800pp. Another "less than 25 minutes" for Sardegna GR010 is still better though (cause it can be "less than 24minutes" :) )

www.gtplanet.net

 

[MidnightRun85]

I always run RH tires and only change once per race. With some cars u can drive them the whole race, but at the end I often spin or understeer, brake to late and some like that with worn tires. Same with RM for me.

For example. Yesterday or the day before I took the DBR-9 just for testing. First Stint FM6 with RH, pitstop at end of lap 7. Then 2 Stints with fm1 (fm1 on DBR-9 only holds for 4 laps) with RM, but they get really bad in fourth lap so I spun and also drove like a pinball.

I think, it’s best with Gr.3 Cars to go for 2 pitstops and it makes also more fun to drive at max power.

So I tried the Corvette on a 2-stop and lost by 2s, mainly because of my own mistakes. I decided then to try it again but on a 1-stop and won by nearly 10s, total time 26:10. At least I know a 1-stop works for me!

 

[Bobby-Vegas]

Did u try the BRZ? It has a little better fuel consumption, little faster and easier to drive. Had an 1:35:2xx today morning fastest lap. Even on FuelMap 6 are 1:37 times. Should be a setting from praiano (with some tweaks to 800pp), but I can post it later if u need.

Yes, tried it without a tune and was great from memory. Will give it another go tuned, thanks again

 

[Koyaga]

For the most cars u can use praianos settings. Watch there ->

PRAIANO'S TUNES : SETTINGS FOR GT7

PATREON : PRAIANO'S GT7 TUNES

www.gtplanet.net

Most of the Gr.3 tunes are for 730pp, but then u only have to max the power/ install a turbo-/supercharger.

Only a few tunes I have are from elsewhere. For example the DBR-9 Setup and I’m not sure with the BRZ.

 

[Koyaga]

So I tried the Corvette on a 2-stop and lost by 2s, mainly because of my own mistakes. I decided then to try it again but on a 1-stop and won by nearly 10s, total time 26:10. At least I know a 1-stop works for me!

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If it works for u, it works!

I remember, I put a Lightning McQueen livery on the Corvette and it was pretty fast (not cause of the livery) and I had to pitstop twice. I take a look later on my Corvette.

Did u tune it? Turbo-/Supercharger installed?

 

[MidnightRun85]

If it works for u, it works!

I remember, I put a Lightning McQueen livery on the Corvette and it was pretty fast (not cause of the livery) and I had to pitstop twice. I take a look later on my Corvette.

Did u tune it? Turbo-/Supercharger installed?

Yes, I think it had the high-rpm supercharger. On all my Gr.3 cars for this race I'm installing the biggest power mod available to get as close to 800PP as possible. Most are 766-775.

Edit: Just ran the Mustang and it easily won. It's pretty good on fuel, getting 9 laps on FM6 if you shift really early, and tyres weren't an issue, only changed for the sake of changing them in the pit. Won by 9s with average laps in the 43's.

 

[Rotherbach K]

Hi Koyago,

I have Seen - your Setup can use reasonable more Power than Mine. I Changed my Setup a Bit towards yours - now lets See what I can get With IT

BR K

 

[Rotherbach K]

Hi,

First result of today - 25:29 with a 36.5 as best lap. Reasonable more stable unser brakes.

Next Go ...

So ... Down to 25:05 With a Low 1:35 as FL ... Lapped everyone twice - except BB and MG - but I could See MG at the Horizon.

My biggest Problem: the church Corner - no Idea for a good Line, nor does the Setup feel exceptional good there. Very good: was able to keep some Charge Up to the 13th lap.


Next try ...

OK - slightly slower, but my fault. Two big mistakes and Traffic at the wrong Part of the Track. But FL down to a Low 1:35 and mostly 1:37s.

Current Setup:
Tyres: RH/RH
Height: 90/90
Stabi: 6/9
Compression 33/33
Expansion 43/43
Frequency: 4.2/4.2
Negative: 3.0/2.3
toes: V0.10 / V0.05

Torque 5/5
Accelleration 40/40
Braking 5/5

Front drag 712
Back drag 1045

ECU 92
Nö Ballast
Restrictor 70

Braking Balance -1

 

[Comat0sed]

My run just before heading out for work. I know there's a late 1:34 with my driving in this car, my optimal time on the timing screen told me so 😂😂

I'm also positive it will go sub 25 minutes on a clean run, just need to time my stops properly to avoid the traffic better.

 

[Mr616]

My best time with the clk. 1 stop fm3 all the way with a bit of lift n coast.

 

[Comat0sed]

My best time with the clk. 1 stop fm3 all the way with a bit of lift n coast.

That's a good time! I know I can get under 25 with a 1 stop, trying to do it with a 2.

 

[Vule]

I tried the Praiano setup for CLK today on Sardegna, 2 races, max focus, best i could do is 24:40 with 1:34.8 FL. Race pace was around 1:36 in average. Drives nicely, corners better than my "basic" tune that i posted in tuning section, but my tune is for some reason just faster on this track.

With my tune i got a 24:20 easy, and 1:33.4 FL, so a significant difference. Also, race pace was in high 1:34s consistently. I don't quite understand this, since i mostly use Praianos setups on many of my cars, but I guess for this track it's more important to have better acceleration and midrange power than handling.

 

[Pizzicato1985]

I think the no stop is only viable with the Toyota GR010 and Mazda 787B but with short shifting just as the revs start to show on the rev counter. I prefer running a 1 stop and driving harder.

I've won this event in the BRZ GR3 with a mid range turbo, the FT1 (but that was more luck than skill as the AI tripped over back markers). The mid engine GR3s kill the tyres to quick.

All GR2 cars will win you this easily, and most of the discussed GR1s will too with a bit of setup.

Edit: Think the AMG SLS GR3 would be a good shout but haven't tried it myself yet.

Any of the hybrid Gr. 1's (that can make it down to 800pp) can go the full 15 laps without pitting, that Toyota from like 12 years ago (TS010?) and the FWD Nismo can for sure. XJR9 can do it and I think it can be done in the Sauber, 962C, and R92CP if you drop the front downforce to the minimum and don't add any weight. I believe there are a couple VGT's that can do it as well. Been a while since I was going for no-stop's so I can't remember the exact cars that can do it, but there are like 8-12 that can do it that I found. Most of them end up being 26-27min.

However, none of the no-stoppers are as fast as going hard/1-stop in the F1 Long Tail, 787b, 2J, etc. When it comes to fun/competitive races, road cars like the F1, F50, F40, Lambo Diablo (essentially any sports/super car that can get its weight under 2600 (or lower) with about 450-500hp and some downforce add-ons, PP doesn't matter...) Even some of the 90's JDM cars like the NSX, RX-7 FD, etc can win if you want a 3-4 pit race that comes down to the wire.

Suffice to say I've ran this race an insane amount of times and am constantly looking for anything just to break-up the monotony, lol.