Bin Laden Wants Peace.

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Yeah. I heard it on the news right at the end of my lunch break. Apparently, earlier today, Al Jazeera aired a video of Bin Laden effectively calling for a truce. He also said he never meant for the Twin Towers to fall. He only wanted to crash planes into them. See? It was all a big misunderstanding.

But anyway, have any of you caught wind of this? It certainly contradicts Mr. American Al Qaeda's message from earlier this week.

Drop for drop...
 
Oh, sure. He also never meant to kill hundreds in the 1998 U.S Embassy attacks in africa as well.

That's like saying hussein never meant to gas 30,000 of his own people, he just wanted to give them a major headache.
 
What did he think would happen if you flew a 707 (?) jet into a building?

I think it is
a) part of a plan for Al Queda to recoup
b) Bin Laden is about to die and expects America to save him
c) They plan to lure some American negotiater into a trap and kill/take prisoner.
 
Speaking of the airplanes flying into the buildings...

I for one was AMAZED at how well the towers stood up to the impact. They completely consumed both airplanes and supported themselves and the planes along with the thousands-degree tempurature for over an hour.
 
This phony peace deal could be designed to give the American government a false sence of security. Possibly leading to something is going to go down on the last day of the elections. (very unlikely)
 
a 757, you mean? Boeing replaced the 707 with the 747 in the mid 1970's. If a 707 had hit it, the building probably would have fallen down faster. :scared:




/\ To answer your Question, he probably thought that it would go through the building, or not damage it as fatally, since in 1945 a B-25 crashed into the empire State building. But being that the Empire state Building is made of limestone and steel(primarily steel) and has a traditional support frame, It didn't collapse. WTC used the outer walls as support, and when a very large object going 500 miles per hour that is loaded with explosive fuel punctures and compromises the structural integrity, then the building is doomed. Osama's claim is total BS. He knew that the WTC was supported by its' outer walls, and that if it were hit by an airliner of the size that hit it, that it would be damaged beyond all repair and collapse.
 
It just occured to me!
Perhap sthis is an elborate ploy to keep Bush in power. If Bin Laden steps down or concedes now it will make Bush the 'victor' meaning all this 'we shall destroy terorism' junk will have proved real. And that will encourage a massive American vote in favour of Bush, leaving Kerry, who Bin Laden may fear, out of power!

If this does happen, you then raise teh conspircy that the video was made by the CIA/FBI and not Bin Laden so that Bush could remain in power.
 
It just occured to me!
Perhap sthis is an elborate ploy to keep Bush in power. If Bin Laden steps down or concedes now it will make Bush the 'victor' meaning all this 'we shall destroy terorism' junk will have proved real. And that will encourage a massive American vote in favour of Bush, leaving Kerry, who Bin Laden may fear, out of power!

It's more likely that it would be an attempt to make Bush look bad for not having somehow negotiated a way to make peace with Bin Laden - thereby putting Kerry in office. Then he hopes to be left alone so that he could recoup and kill more Americans.
 
danoff
It's more likely that it would be an attempt to make Bush look bad for not having somehow negotiated a way to make peace with Bin Laden - thereby putting Kerry in office. Then he hopes to be left alone so that he could recoup and kill more Americans.

Talk about far fetched ... As for the tape, sounds like a sad hoax. Anyone remember the guy faking a beheading?

Incidentally, there was a report by Dutch engineers before the attack that expressed concern about precisely this weakness in the structure of the WTC. I'm not actually expecting him to be aware of that report however, and I do believe that he didn't expect the towers to collapse.

I don't believe, however, that he was sad to see it happen. I firmly believe that Bin Laden prefers to have Bush in the Whitehouse. Bush creates controversy, splits the West, and exposes the U.S. army to attacks, making his life a lot easier. You think Western attacks in the Middle-East may impress him, but in the end it just helps his case - more and more splinter factions are subjecting themselves to his command.

-- now listening and watching the tape -----

He said, roughly, something like "I would like to say that security is a pillar of life and free people do not cast away their security and against the claims of Bush" (till this point I quote the translation literally), he should tell you why we didn't attack Sweden - we spill your security because we spill our security. In other words, leave us in peace and we'll leave you in peace.

'Your security is not in the hands of Bush or Kerry, your security is in your own hands.' I'm taking that to mean that if the American people would care more about what happens in the Middle-East, then both Bush and Kerry would listen and adjust.

He also says (I just happen to see it on CNBC Europe) that the 'idea for attacking the towers with the planes' comes from their frustration with the Israel invasion of Lebanon, and the structural damage that did to the country.

He also says something about Bush' continuing to sit in the school. Suppose he's been watching Michael Moore ... seriously undercuts the credibility of this tape.

'We want freedom for our nation also. Because you destabilise us, we destabilise you too'.

Keeps sounding like a hoax. But if true, someone did very well because it did get on Al Jazeera first.

I guess the fact that he makes sense (to me) is one reason why I don't find it very likely to be authentic. That hasn't happened before. The contrast with his silly rhetoric is too big.

No mention of that he didn't expect or was sorry, btw., don't know where that came from?

So far only CNBC Europe ran this here, all the other stations so far haven't mentioned it.
 
menglan
Boeing replaced the 707 with the 747 in the mid 1970's. If a 707 had hit it, the building probably would have fallen down faster.
You mean if a 747 hit the WTC, it would have fallen faster? The WTC was designed to withstand a hit from a 707 in the 1970's. The 767s that hit it didn't exist in 1970.
 
Poor structure design is not the reason why the buildings fell. It was the fireproof matterial that was placed on the beams that caused the structure failure. The stuff was sprayed on, then hardened after the years. When the plane hit, it was obliterated into a tiny pieces that acted like a sandblaster to the fireproof matterial. It was removed leaving the metal exposed to the high heat. The high heat weakened the structure, it buckled, then collapsed. If the fireproof matterial stood up, the building whould have never come down.
 
Solid Lifters
Poor structure design is not the reason why the buildings fell. It was the fireproof matterial that was placed on the beams that caused the structure failure. The stuff was sprayed on, then hardened after the years. When the plane hit, it was obliterated into a tiny pieces that acted like a sandblaster to the fireproof matterial. It was removed leaving the metal exposed to the high heat. The high heat weakened the structure, it buckled, then collapsed. If the fireproof matterial stood up, the building whould have never come down.

I understood it was the high temperature of the kerosine blast that was paramount to the collapse. But it was a while ago, so I might have to look again to be sure.

EDIT: 20 October 2004, so only last week, the NY Times published some preliminary findings of the $16 million official study of the collapse:

"The federal investigators found, after conducting a test with a reconstructed section of the floor, that the original fireproofing on the floors, as built, was sufficient to ensure that they met the New York City building code under standard testing parameters.

Instead, the report released yesterday say, the Boeing 767 planes ripped through a swath of exterior steel columns, resulting in an immediate redistribution of the load to adjacent perimeter columns and, to a lesser extent, to the core columns.

As the planes penetrated the towers, they destroyed sections of the floors, knocked off spray-on fireproofing and severed three to 10 of the core columns in each tower.

The report found that the towers were able to stand, despite the initial assault, as "loads on the damaged columns were redistributed to other intact core and perimeter columns mostly via the floor systems and to a lesser extent, via the hat truss," a steel structure at the top of the towers that was connected to the core and perimeter columns.

The infernos that erupted in the two towers are to blame for the ultimate collapse, the report found. As temperatures rose in the buildings, the remaining core columns softened and buckled, shifting much of the burden to the building's exterior. The floors, which largely remained intact outside the impact zone, reacted by pulling the exterior columns inward, adding to the extreme stress on the exterior columns."
 
For clarification, i heard it was 2 727's and a 767 that hit. Also, Osama Bin Laden would be smarter not to release any tape at all, suggesting that a) he's looking for peace
b) dead.
c) scared ****less
or d) funding his daughter's new pop album!
 
PublicSecrecy
For clarification, i heard it was 2 727's and a 767 that hit. Also, Osama Bin Laden would be smarter not to release any tape at all, suggesting that a) he's looking for peace
b) dead.
c) scared ****less
or d) funding his daughter's new pop album!

I'd go with c, he must have seen some Coallition soldiers asking for directions.
 
A link to some analysis of his new image as statesman

Bin Laden Footage
It does look like him and share the same mannerisms, but he is looking way to healthy (imo) and his nose seems to be a bit wrong. Might be the quality of the vid, but in other pictures he has a thin straight nose. Could be a fake, you just know that the CIA etc are analysing the voice right now.

The stop dropping bombs and I'll leave you alone, sounds like unconditional surrender to me :)
 
sUn
I think it's a setup.

I think they will attack when the world least expects it.


Then He isn't attacking January 20th. Or November 2nd. We already thought of that. 9/11 was the above exactly. Usama attacked on an otherwise uneventful, sunny september day, when we least expected it.

💡 fear everything!! if we expect it, then he won't attack... Or isn't fear what he wanted us to do in the first place?

You mean if a 747 hit the WTC, it would have fallen faster? The WTC was designed to withstand a hit from a 707 in the 1970's. The 767s that hit it didn't exist in 1970.
Oops. my bad. 👍 :dunce:
 
I say we bomb the hell outa whereever that video came from. that guy has no right asking for peace. and how can someone send big planes into buildings and expect them not to fall down?? that guy makes me more mad every day.
 
menglan
💡 fear everything!! if we expect it, then he won't attack... Or isn't fear what he wanted us to do in the first place?
Good, that's exactly where your president wants you to have.

Fear ... if any people should not be afraid it's the country with the biggest army in the world ...

What about the civilians in Bagdad? More casualties there, and that by American bombs every day. Look at your reaction to 9/11. How do you expect them to react to the US invasion?

I think America should just stop using its veto against the UN convictions of Israeli crimes in Palestina. That would help everyone (except the Israeli's off-course, and the people they sponsor, like Bush).

No relax, and read some international (unsensored) press, and then vote well ...

And then bring Bush to the international Court in Den Haag for "crimes against humanity for personal benefits".
 
Buggy Boy
Good, that's exactly where your president wants you to have.
What?
What about the civilians in Bagdad? More casualties there, and that by American bombs every day.
American bombs? Try again, and try not to be wrong again.
Look at your reaction to 9/11. How do you expect them to react to the US invasion?
If there were any similarity this would have a chance of being a point.
I think America should just stop using its veto against the UN convictions of Israeli crimes in Palestina.
I think the rest of the security council should stop using it's veto against the US.
That would help everyone (except the Israeli's off-course, and the people they sponsor, like Bush).
I hope Arafat dies soon. That would help everyone.
No relax, and read some international (unsensored) press, and then vote well ...

And then bring Bush to the international Court in Den Haag for "crimes against humanity for personal benefits".
What personal benefits?
 
milefile
If Americans are afraid of an enemy, your actual president can with support of the public opinion :
- finish his fathers job in Iraq,
- introduce laws that restrict the liberty of the "normal" citizen.

The fact that you say "What?", says that you're unaware of it. Take care, my friend :)

milefile
American bombs? Try again, and try not to be wrong again.
I read the BBC world news on a daily basis. A short search on BBC news gives articles like this one all the time :

Missile strikes destroyed three buildings on a Zarqawi "meeting site" in the town of Qaryat ar Rufush, near Falluja, killing an estimated 60 "foreign fighters", said the US statement.

The health ministry said 44 people had been killed.

Hospital medics quoted by news agencies said many were civilians, including women and children.


milefile
If there were any similarity this would have a chance of being a point.
The similarity is about being attacked and be angry for that. imo both cases fit this statement.


milefile
I think the rest of the security council should stop using it's veto against the US.
Well, at least I'm happy it happens from time to time, or I, as a military of a NATO country, would find myself in Iraq now. No thanks.


milefile
I hope Arafat dies soon. That would help everyone.
Could be. We'll see.


milefile
What personal benefits?
Financial. What did you think?
 

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