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Ok, I've begun my responce to the cultural differences between USA citezens and the various other countries of the world. Because I am unsure of the tone and/or voice, I am going to assume that comments made previous to mine in this thread were with the mindset that you are displeased with the United States of America (government, millitary, and citizens), and not your own peoples. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that statement ...

Now then:

"Back in the day" ... the leaders of the original colonies were strong willed individuals. They were sick of the British government telling them what to think, what to believe, and how to live their lives. A while into it they realized they were getting the same treatment here that they had been receiving back at the mother land. Enter: The Revolution, preceded by The Declaration of Independance.

(for good humor, visit: JibJab's 'Mutha-fo-Fathers' and click on a founding father.)

Now, when we (our Government ...) look around our little world and see the same, or similar, things happening to other civilians in their own nations, we like to offer help according to our own set of ideals. Sometimes the military gets a bit over zealous... but as a whole, it is accepted that we're doing the best that anyone could hopefully do. Having the knowledge that people are not being given certain freedoms, like religious believes ... and not acting on that knowledge, we'd get ridiculed even more severely than we are now. Could you imagine what would have happened if the United States didn't step in during Hitlar's raid of Europe? Everyone would have called us cowardly, unethical, backstabbing, pigs! The aftermath of such a decision is pretty much unpredictable. Imediatly after the war I'm sure the general feelings were, "Heck yeah! We kicked the crap out of that bastard!" But after a few years, they might have started to question their actions, and not long after that they realized that they didn't have to do anything at all, and not 'waste' so many American lives in the process. That generates a larger need for a global 'pat on the back'. This is even more evident with the Veitnam War... but that has a background all of its own. When the victims of war start complaining about their husbands, sons, and grandsons dieing in a 'needless cause', the goverment starts looking for support for future endevors, and that comes from building up our society to believe and trust in our military. "We are the super force! WOOOOHOOOO!" So we help, because that's what we're supposed to do, but then we act like children and shove it in everyone's face. I think the pride factor is relatively high in our situation. But we've only been a country for just over 225 years. I'd say being able to lend any aid in any situation is impressive at that young age, let alone to be what the entire world referse to as "The Super Power".

I laughed for a breif second while watching the news the other night. The first US Troop died to enemy fire that night. They had to point out "... to enemy fire" because we keep killing our own troops with tactical errors. It's really sad that they're sending our youth off to do adults' work. And spend unGodly amounts of money in the process. Yeeaaahhh - we're a super power alright ...

And - don't be mad at the United States when your country men go around wearing our flag, or our designer jeans. Maybe they just need something of their own to be proud of. I know that's true for us. Up until September 11th, I could count on one hand the number of American flags I saw in a day ... and that included a 45 minute drive down the highway through four cities! Americans began to take their freedom for granted. Then "crash boom bang" freedom came tumbling down, and now you can't open your eyes without seeing flags. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it is a bit overwhelming even it its own country. And maybe your fellow country-men need something of their own to be proud of. I took a look around the other day ... everything I own, except for the computers, came from somewhere in Asia. And most of the computer parts come from Asia as well. If we made anything (besides war ...) that was worth a damn, I'd buy it up! We're not the ones that think this is such a great country. Maybe your locals need to put a little more into their own economy. I know our's was dieing at a rapid rate until recent events. Your politicians need to envoke a stronger pride in your own nation ... without pissing everyone off (: It's rather difficult to do, and was unsuccessfully attempted here on several occations. A good "kick the crap out of the bad guys!" always seems to get things rolling ...

I'm not wishing national tragedy on everyone, just that the best of times come from the worst of times. You can't appreciate the good, without the bad.

Wow ... boy am I ever off-topic. I think I'll stop now before I irritate too many more members.

~LoudMusic
 
I previewed that post about 10 times as I was writing it ... and even now I don't agree fully with what I wrote. I'm not going to change it, I just want everyone to understand that it was written with the best of intentions. If you're not happy with the level of pride that your people have in your own country, maybe you should be the one to bring it up a level. Get people fired up about supporting their nation. Maybe send letters to your local polititions or something.

Blah, am I making myself appear even more asinine? I think I'll stop now.

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
I previewed that post about 10 times as I was writing it ... and even now I don't agree fully with what I wrote. I'm not going to change it, I just want everyone to understand that it was written with the best of intentions. If you're not happy with the level of pride that your people have in your own country, maybe you should be the one to bring it up a level. Get people fired up about supporting their nation. Maybe send letters to your local polititions or something.

Blah, am I making myself appear even more asinine? I think I'll stop now.

~LoudMusic

If you don't agree with it all then how do we know which bits to argue with ;) just kidding.

Work beckons - I'll try and post something soon
 
Although I have not seen this yet, alot of my girl friends have. Each one of them have said, boring to them, total guys movie. From begining to end fighting.

Have to see it. :D
 
Originally posted by Magic069
Although I have not seen this yet, alot of my girl friends have. Each one of them have said, boring to them, total guys movie. From begining to end fighting.

Have to see it. :D

They're absolutely right. There is no love story, no sweetness, no girly bits. It is completely a guy movie. I liked it, lots of war (: You have to leave the politics behind though, because you might not be happy with the way it's portrayed. I don't know what really happened, and I'm told the movie isn't wholy accurate. Keep in mind it's Holywood ...

I'd pay another $6.50 to see it again.

~LoudMusic
 
I have a COMPLETLEY different opinion than you. The movie was excellent. I thought it was a GREAT movie, and enjoyed it for the most part. However, this wasn't meant to be a guy action flick. This isn't a "movie for guys who like movies" type of film. Not Rambo, not Lethal Weapon. In the tradition of Saving Private Ryan, it was a movie that exposed the true HORRORS of war, not glorified it.

It was a great film...but I can't say I ENJOYED the images of people missing entire bottom halves of their bodies, or getting retracting arteries clamped. This movie wasn't supposed to simply ENTERTAIN you with action and violence. It was meant partially to teach, partially to shock, and meant to EXPOSE what war truly is like.

I personally think in a way it is disrespectul for the soliders (and keep in mind, most of those characters really existed) to relish the brutal horrific war sequences for their action. Those people REALLY died, really got their legs blown off--- I can't imagine they'd appreciate you watching them get torn up and commenting on the entertaining qualities of the battle.

That's my opinion, anyway.


Originally posted by LoudMusic


They're absolutely right. There is no love story, no sweetness, no girly bits. It is completely a guy movie. I liked it, lots of war (: You have to leave the politics behind though, because you might not be happy with the way it's portrayed. I don't know what really happened, and I'm told the movie isn't wholy accurate. Keep in mind it's Holywood ...

I'd pay another $6.50 to see it again.

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by Stealth Viper
I have a COMPLETLEY different opinion than you. The movie was excellent. I thought it was a GREAT movie, and enjoyed it for the most part. However, this wasn't meant to be a guy action flick. This isn't a "movie for guys who like movies" type of film. Not Rambo, not Lethal Weapon. In the tradition of Saving Private Ryan, it was a movie that exposed the true HORRORS of war, not glorified it.
Then I must have been missunderstood. I didn't think it was a cheap Rambo flick, it was a movie about war. It's a movie that a bunch of guys go to see together and realize how good their lives are - that they spend 8 hours a day at a computer desk instead of 24 hours a day with a rifle in their hand and shells bouncing off the walls around them. I went to see it with one of my long time buddies (and room mate for two years), a guy that was a Navy search and rescue swimmer, and another guy that is basically a complete screw up. We left the theator in silence, along with nearly everyone else. And the 35 minute ride home was spent in reflection.
It was a great film...but I can't say I ENJOYED the images of people missing entire bottom halves of their bodies, or getting retracting arteries clamped. This movie wasn't supposed to simply ENTERTAIN you with action and violence. It was meant partially to teach, partially to shock, and meant to EXPOSE what war truly is like.
If people don't know what war is really like by the time they are legally allowed to watch this movie, they've been living in a cave their whole life.
I personally think in a way it is disrespectul for the soliders (and keep in mind, most of those characters really existed) to relish the brutal horrific war sequences for their action. Those people REALLY died, really got their legs blown off--- I can't imagine they'd appreciate you watching them get torn up and commenting on the entertaining qualities of the battle.
I don't recall every saing that I enjoyed watching American soldiers (or any American) being harmed in any way. I don't even like watching a guy get his nuts crunched by a kid with a baseball bat on America's Funniest Home Videos. But, would you prefer that I claimed to enjoy watching Somalians get blown to pieces? They're human beings too. But keep in mind, people die in almost any movie - whether it's fiction or non-fiction doesn't matter, they are people that are dieing. The human soul -should- have compassion for those individuals.
That's my opinion, anyway.
And everyone is entitle to their own opinion - your's is just wrong this time. Ha ha just kidding (:


I agree with you for the most part, and I think you missed my original point. The movie is a good portrayal of modern day American warfare and it is ENTERTAINING. But I don't think there are very many women that would enjoy it. That is, women that fit the old stereotype of 'womanocity'. My sisters, mother, and most of my female friends would probably like it a lot. But they're not exactly from the 'woman mold'. My point was that the guy population will have a higher appreciation of the movie than women will. Guys have a longer background of working in difficult situations together than women do - and that isn't just wartime, that includes day to day life in the workplace. I think if you surveyed people coming out of the theator from Blackhawk Down you would find groups of guys that work together would be one of the biggest groups. They would also understand and oppreciate the movie more than most any other group.

It was a good movie. It was based on reality. It does not have a happy ending. The MOVIE was ENTERTAINING. It's rather difficult to make money on a movie that does not entertain the public. Watching American soldiers dieing is NOT entertaining. But it is required of the movie to fulfill the story.

I was entertained, and I will hope to see it again with another group of my guy friends before it leaves the theator.

~LoudMusic
 
Ok. I respect that. I misunderstood you. :)




Originally posted by LoudMusic

Then I must have been missunderstood. I didn't think it was a cheap Rambo flick, it was a movie about war. It's a movie that a bunch of guys go to see together and realize how good their lives are - that they spend 8 hours a day at a computer desk instead of 24 hours a day with a rifle in their hand and shells bouncing off the walls around them. I went to see it with one of my long time buddies (and room mate for two years), a guy that was a Navy search and rescue swimmer, and another guy that is basically a complete screw up. We left the theator in silence, along with nearly everyone else. And the 35 minute ride home was spent in reflection.

If people don't know what war is really like by the time they are legally allowed to watch this movie, they've been living in a cave their whole life.

I don't recall every saing that I enjoyed watching American soldiers (or any American) being harmed in any way. I don't even like watching a guy get his nuts crunched by a kid with a baseball bat on America's Funniest Home Videos. But, would you prefer that I claimed to enjoy watching Somalians get blown to pieces? They're human beings too. But keep in mind, people die in almost any movie - whether it's fiction or non-fiction doesn't matter, they are people that are dieing. The human soul -should- have compassion for those individuals.

And everyone is entitle to their own opinion - your's is just wrong this time. Ha ha just kidding (:


I agree with you for the most part, and I think you missed my original point. The movie is a good portrayal of modern day American warfare and it is ENTERTAINING. But I don't think there are very many women that would enjoy it. That is, women that fit the old stereotype of 'womanocity'. My sisters, mother, and most of my female friends would probably like it a lot. But they're not exactly from the 'woman mold'. My point was that the guy population will have a higher appreciation of the movie than women will. Guys have a longer background of working in difficult situations together than women do - and that isn't just wartime, that includes day to day life in the workplace. I think if you surveyed people coming out of the theator from Blackhawk Down you would find groups of guys that work together would be one of the biggest groups. They would also understand and oppreciate the movie more than most any other group.

It was a good movie. It was based on reality. It does not have a happy ending. The MOVIE was ENTERTAINING. It's rather difficult to make money on a movie that does not entertain the public. Watching American soldiers dieing is NOT entertaining. But it is required of the movie to fulfill the story.

I was entertained, and I will hope to see it again with another group of my guy friends before it leaves the theator.

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by Stealth Viper
Ok. I respect that. I misunderstood you. :)

And I received some interesting numbers from my navy rescue swimmer this evening. We watched a couple boxing matches and then talked about movies and books for a while. It seems that of Blackhawk Down viewers 55% were male, and the remaining 45% were female (duh, no other choice there). So it seems I was wrong. But, I do believe these numbers were greatly skewed by recent events in New York City. There is a large sense of patriatism in the States right now, and that quality knows no gender boundries.

Still, I find those numbers surprising. Do you?

~LoudMusic
 
We left the theator in silence, along with nearly everyone else. And the 35 minute ride home was spent in reflection.


i know what you mean .......after the movie my friend and i didn't say a word when we left the theatre and everyone was dead silent walking out .....just a bunch of people walking slowly in a big line .....and at the same moment another movie just ended across the hall and everyone was chatting
 
Originally posted by Schumy
We left the theator in silence, along with nearly everyone else. And the 35 minute ride home was spent in reflection.


i know what you mean .......after the movie my friend and i didn't say a word when we left the theatre and everyone was dead silent walking out .....just a bunch of people walking slowly in a big line .....and at the same moment another movie just ended across the hall and everyone was chatting

I've had that happen a few times ... almost disturbing. I wonder if there is an easy way to make that not happen. It would be a simple rescheduling of movies so they don't exit at the same time. That shouldn't be happening anyway, for flow control.

~LoudMusic
 
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