BMW M1 Homage (Canceled; Greener Technology the priority)

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I haven't hated a car like this since the Peugeot 207...
 
What's all this '80s talk when the M1 was born in the '70s?

Anyway, this looks amazing; along with the Mille Miglia concept, it's one of the best designs modern BMW has come up with. I hope we'll at least get to drive it in a videogame or two, if BMW sticks to leaving it as a concept. If not, it'd be great with the M3's V8.

Well, BMW does say the M1 was ahead of its time. This Homage follows that same trend pretty well, imo.
 
:lol: Amen.

The rear looks pretty neat, though those logos on the corners look ridiculous.

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BMW needs to loose everything "Bangle" and get back to its roots of clean, simple and elegant design. And the "Hommage" has none of that!!!
 
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Hmmm..

Does it remind anyone else of a Lancia, or am I off my rocker?

037 and Stratos, only because the latter is wedge-shaped.

Rounded offerings tend to fail of razor-edge cars, such as the Lagonda, though. The M1 has got its controversy. This M1 also looks like the Challenger concept car, I believe by an Italian designer...
 
When did BMW start having equal opportunity employment applied to their design divisions?? That thing looks like 4 "special" people complete with bike helmets got together with some crayons and drew over eachother's picture and then Bangle (king of the "special" people) approves it!!
 
Your statement offends me.

Not only the 'special' part, but also however you look at it, Bangle and the BMW team did revolutionize design. Whether for the better or worse is quite arguable, however, every major company is now following them in some form. After the few years I've had to get used to them, I actually think they don't look too bad; however, I'm young so I might not represent the majority.

While this design does look pretty ugly now, I'm sure that if they make a toned-down production version, it will be considered an exotic beauty in a few years--remember everyone once thought the Murcielago, Gallardo, 599 GTB, F430 and the like were ugly? Of course, some still do, but each car today has a reputation as a beautiful, capable, rare, and somewhat classic exotic sports car.
 
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BMW needs to loose everything "Bangle" and get back to its roots of clean, simple and elegant design. And the "Hommage" has none of that!!!

Too bad this is the first car designed after Bangle left for another department.
 
sLg
Your statement offends me.

Do go on, you're not the first person I've annoyed today. :indiff:

Not only the 'special' part,
Would you rather me be LESS politically correct?? I can be quite blunt about it if you'd like and use the R word to better describe them. ;)
but also however you look at it, Bangle and the BMW team did revolutionize design.
No, he didn't revolutionise anything. If anything, he abortioned design and is hated for it from quite a few of his peers!! Hence the comment "To BANGLE a car" which means to totally ruin it!!
Whether for the better or worse is quite arguable, however, every major company is now following them in some form. After the few years I've had to get used to them, I actually think they don't look too bad; however, I'm young so I might not represent the majority.
See, compare that to the more classic shaped BMW's. The E30 shape is still one of the most loved designs by BMW enthusiasts, even nearly 30yrs after it's release. The 2002 also holds a special place in BMW loving hearts.
While this design does look pretty ugly now, I'm sure that if they make a toned-down production version, it will be considered an exotic beauty in a few years--remember everyone once thought the Murcielago, Gallardo, 599 GTB, F430 and the like were ugly?
:lol: F430 & ugly in the same sentence, I never thought I'd see that. :lol: The Murcie and Gallardo were applauded for holding true to Lamborghini's wedge designs (like the Countach & Diablo) and their sales figures more than prove that, by increasing Lambo's share in the market 10 fold, and as for the 599GTB, I'll let the next quote do the talking:
Evo Magazine
Evo Magazine named the 599 GTB as the Car of the Year for 2006 despite strong competition from rivals Porsche and Lamborghini and other high-performance cars.
All the cars you've described were heralded as being great pieces of automotive work, Bangle's creations have been described from having "Bangle Butt" to "being designed by a Machete". Even people like J Mays, Ford's chief designer admits to hating Bangle's designs and that man has been credited with nearly every car design award known to man.
 
Do go on, you're not the first person I've annoyed today. :indiff:

That's for sure.

Would you rather me be LESS politically correct?? I can be quite blunt about it if you'd like and use the R word to better describe them. ;)

Which would only show your ignorance: not every mental problem is due to retardation. Autism, for instance, has nothing to do with intelligence, but with social interaction.

No, he didn't revolutionise anything. If anything, he abortioned design and is hated for it from quite a few of his peers!! Hence the comment "To BANGLE a car" which means to totally ruin it!!

People would disagree with you. I personally think Bangle is hit-or-miss, but there's no denying his influence. The Camry, even, has a little of Bangle's influence in it. Oh, yeah. Z4. That is one looker of a car.

The 7 and 3-series?...not so much. It is worth noting that those two are his most conservative designs: by that, I mean that they have the more of their old shapes compared to the other vehicles.

See, compare that to the more classic shaped BMW's. The E30 shape is still one of the most loved designs by BMW enthusiasts, even nearly 30yrs after it's release. The 2002 also holds a special place in BMW loving hearts.

I think it's more the mechanicals than anything, as if you removed the grilles, you'd be hard-pressed telling they were BMWs. The Hoffmeister Kink might be the only clue.

:lol: F430 & ugly in the same sentence, I never thought I'd see that. :lol: The Murcie and Gallardo were applauded for holding true to Lamborghini's wedge designs (like the Countach & Diablo) and their sales figures more than prove that, by increasing Lambo's share in the market 10 fold, and as for the 599GTB, I'll let the next quote do the talking:

Some people don't like them. I'm indifferent. Expensive cars for people with money.

All the cars you've described were heralded as being great pieces of automotive work, Bangle's creations have been described from having "Bangle Butt" to "being designed by a Machete". Even people like J Mays, Ford's chief designer admits to hating Bangle's designs and that man has been credited with nearly every car design award known to man.

and, yet, you're starting to see his flame surfacing (and, yes, even that Bangle Butt,) showing up in other cars. Can you not deny that SOME people actually like his work?

By the way, I see nothing that states Bangle was directly involved in this vehicle. In fact, I think it looks much more Italdesign-inspired than Bangle.
 
Which would only show your ignorance: not every mental problem is due to retardation. Autism, for instance, has nothing to do with intelligence, but with social interaction.
Check Asperger's thread to see what I'm trying to research for myself. You are totally right however, retardation is such a broad spectrum these days and you can be talking about anything from Downes Syndrome to Autism. But I wasn't being ignorant as I first referred to them as 'special' people and as the person was insulted for me being politically correct I added that bit on that I could've been blunt and said the R word. That was all.

People would disagree with you. I personally think Bangle is hit-or-miss, but there's no denying his influence. The Camry, even, has a little of Bangle's influence in it. Oh, yeah. Z4. That is one looker of a car.
Believe it or not, the Z4 was the one that was described as "designed with a machete". :nervous: That was by Marc Newson, who designs anything from cars to spaceplane interiors. Check out http://www.marc-newson.com to know more on him.

The 7 and 3-series?...not so much. It is worth noting that those two are his most conservative designs: by that, I mean that they have the more of their old shapes compared to the other vehicles.

The 3 series preserves more of the older versions in it. The 7 series, less so but nothing like the 5 series was changed.

I think it's more the mechanicals than anything, as if you removed the grilles, you'd be hard-pressed telling they were BMWs. The Hoffmeister Kink might be the only clue.

The E30 M3's had such a wonderful racing pedigree here in Australia in Group A that most of us here have that fondness for that era shape.

Some people don't like them. I'm indifferent. Expensive cars for people with money.
Yay, we both agree on that one. :lol:

and, yet, you're starting to see his flame surfacing (and, yes, even that Bangle Butt,) showing up in other cars. Can you not deny that SOME people actually like his work?
Yes and No. People like myself who absolutely despise his work at BMW agree that some of his styling cues have snuck their way onto other cars (Alfa 159 for example!) and his influence on the auto industry has been more than quite a lot of designer's, but it still doesn't stop people saying that a new car has been 'bangled'.

By the way, I see nothing that states Bangle was directly involved in this vehicle. In fact, I think it looks much more Italdesign-inspired than Bangle.
I didn't say he was directly involved, my original comment was that his team did it, all he did was approve it. ;) He must've been drinking frappacino's at the time thinking of ways to get the X5 to try and catch up to the Porsche Cayenne. :D
 
:lol: F430 & ugly in the same sentence, I never thought I'd see that. :lol:
That just goes to show how automotive styling is entirely subjective. Like you, I adore the E30, particularly the M3. I love older BMWs, particularly from the '60s to '80s, though I quite like a few of their pre-war cars. Overall I think the '90s was a low point in automotive styling, but I still like some of the BMWs made during the period.

Meanwhile, I think the F430 is a prime example of how Ferrari just can't seem to design a car anymore. It's an embarrassing dilution of the brand, a blatant cross between the 360 and the Gallardo, with those stupid taillights from the King of Ugly, the Enzo.

When it comes to the modern BMWs, I like all of them except for the X-series and the pre-facelift 7-series -- just not as much as the older BMWs. I really like this concept, too. All of the Bangle-inspired slashes and creases BMW uses may be polarizing, but they're much more interesting to look at than the slabs of drab, body-colored plastic and metal that seem to be the only alternative these days. It's like everybody either wants to be BMW, or Audi from the late '90s.

At any rate, quoting the opinions of famous automotive designers doesn't change the fact that they're just that; opinions. And for the record, I think J. Mays is one of the worst automotive designers in history, having designed many cars that are twenty times uglier than anything Bangle could dream up.
 
And for the record, I think J. Mays is one of the worst automotive designers in history, having designed many cars that are twenty times uglier than anything Bangle could dream up.
Interesting use of the word "design."
 
And for the record, I think J. Mays is one of the worst automotive designers in history, having designed many cars that are twenty times uglier than anything Bangle could dream up.

Didn't J. Mays head the building of the Ford GT? Or was that John Cafaro?

Probably the latter.

On topic, BMW's other designs have indeed matured nicely, even if the rear end of the 6-Series is nothing to agree on.
 
Well, even if it was J. who was behind the GT... it's not like he was doing anything original. (Edit: Toronado responded too quick)

Complain about Bangle all you want, but to deny his influence in the auto design world is naive.

Imageshack doesn't seem to be allowing url posting... odd, so a direct link to just two of Audi's more recent cars that show some Bangle influence.

http://www.thetorquereport.com/2009_audi_a4_avant_3-thumb.jpg

http://www.tuningnews.net/news/070227/audi-s5.jpg

The only people who think the F430 shouldn't be described as ugly are the people who have only taken an interest in Ferrari in the past 5-10 years.
 
Don't insult the S5. It is the most beautiful car Walter de Silva has ever made!


*chuckle*

Also, one could look at this huge thread involving a lengthy debate surrounding Bangle's influence, including how Toyota shamelessly ripped off the 7 series for half of their model range, but made everything look worse.
 
Well to answer superberkut's question...
Wikipedia
Camilo Pardo, the head of Ford's "Living Legends" studio, is credited as the chief designer of the GT and worked under the guidance of J Mays.

In any case, Mays was responsible for the New Beetle, DEW98 Thunderbird, and Lincoln MKR concept, to name a few. He doesn't seem to have any sense of style, which must be why he prefers to "modernize" retro designs, as Toronado and SlipZtrEm have pointed out.
 
I'm not being naive SlipZtrEm. In my last post I actually said his influence is shown throughout the auto industry, that bit is very true. But in saying that, a lot of those same new cars are being applauded in some circles and criticised in other circles for being "bangled" and following his styling queues.

I'm actually a fan of the F430 more for the mechanicals than anything else to tell the truth, but it still is a beautiful Ferrari. Much better than say the 348, the 456GT or the 575. The rear end is Enzo'ish (but I'm a fan of the F40/F50 so the Enzo I liked naturally too for being the most extreme Ferrari) and it gives it a special charm. Plus the stance of the car up close is a lot more aggressive than the 360 in my opinion. Also, just to show I'm not a newbie Ferrari fan, my favourite Ferrari's for the record are two distinctive classics, the 250GTO and the 512TR (Testarossa).

I just checked that thread you linked Toronado, and yourself, Scaff and M-Spec have some VERY valid points there. I've never liked that new Camry either but atleast it's better than the last generation Camry which was shockingly bad. However, I'm not talking about Bangle or anyone else being a plagarist. ;) Following someone else's styling cues has been around since the dawn of motoring and that's not a big deal to me. I just think he designs with a Crayola box rather than a computer. :p
 
I guess everything grows on you... or me, anyway ;). Like, I completely hated the Enzo at first, but now I think it's beautiful. At first, I thought the 360 Modena was much more beautiful than the F430 with its thin headlights and shark grill or whatever, but now, I love the 430.

In modern automotive design terms, 'Bangled' is still very much a synonym to 'bungled', but is that rightfully so? If you ask me, right now I am okay with all of the Bangle designs, and in fact think the new M3, 3 series coupe, and Z4 coupe are the best looking of all their competition. The 5, 7, and 3 sedan could use some work, but they're okay to me.

But that's just my personal opinion. And admittedly, every time I look at a new design, I feel like liking it is sacrliege xD.

[OT:] There's an Asperger's thread? I've got Asperger's, please post the link.

And, I'd say more, but Jim Prower's said it all for me, thank you very much:tup:
 
I've been waiting to see if the car grew on me, it didn't. I find it ugly and disrespectful to the original M1.
 
Thank you :)

About the car, it's growing on me already.. I like it. The only really horrible thing about it now, in my eyes, is the logos on the back... I know they were on the original and I liked them, but they look wrong on this..
 
Its a nasty, ugly car that seemingly missed the point (or the point was changed) halfway through the design phase and looks like something Pontiac cooked up while on a particularly unoriginal day in 1997. That being said, so is most of the BMW range, so I have no problems with it being sold so long as it doesn't have the M1 moniker on it.
It hardly looks anything like the M1 anyways, so people won't even get the two confused or relate them in any way; happily sparing the M1 history from any potential damage (can you imagine the animosity that would have been caused if BMW called the 1-series "2002?").
 
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