BP oil disaster, China oil spill, and now Michigan oil spill? Same year.

[CAMAROBOY69]

Oil sure has been a problem this year 2010.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38337393/ns/world_news-world_environment

 

[Casio]

Maybe we should just coat the oceans with oil and then fix up the water spills.

 

[DK]

Is there any faction of the Chinese Communist Party whose motto is Chinese for "Drill baby drill"?

 

[TigJackson]

Is there any faction of the Chinese Communist Party whose motto is Chinese for "Drill baby drill"?

Statistics would indicate that a country as large as China, with an approximate population of 1,352,381,580 souls, could have several thousand, if not several million, members of such a faction; ie: hordes of their very own Sarah Phalins'.

The difference between China and the U.S. is that China quickly and easily eliminates these screeching whiners from their society without any problems.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

And the fact that they have the largest Armed Force in the world. (They have no official numbers, but it it estimated to be larger than the US Army)

 

[Sam48]

Do we know how big this spill is compared to the one in the Gulf?

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Dang first the US oil spill, then China, and now Kalamazoo Michigan the state where I live. 840,000 gallons of crude oil and now we are in a state of emergency. All in the same year dang.

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/most_popular_story.aspx?storyid=125205&provider=top

 

[ExigeEvan]

I don't think there have been anymore oil spills this year than previous years.

The difference is that the media now chooses to make a big deal out of every single one of them and so you think that they're now a big problem when they're no different than before.

For example I bet the Sea Empress disaster of 1996 didn't even make it onto your news, but it was 73,000 tons, which is about 22 millions gallons.

 

[FoolKiller]

There is also an abandoned well spilling oil in Louisiana after a barge struck it.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/27/louisiana.barataria.bay.well.leak/index.html

As one of the local councilmen said, "It isn't uncommon."

The BP oil well leak is uncommon and a worst case scenario, but the stuff we are seeing elsewhere is fairly common and only getting coverage because the media is oil spill crazy after the Gulf situation.

The Persian Gulf has some of the busiest oil ports in the world. I would imagine leaks aren't uncommon there. Heck, a Japanese tanker had a blast, suspected of being an attack, in the Persian Gulf earlier this year. It didn't leak, but I doubt that it is the first tanker attacked in those waters.

It is just media frenzy feeding on populist anger directed toward BP right now.

 

[Omnis]

Did you know?: Natural oil seeps leak millions of gallons of oil into gulf every year. Also, about two BP-leaks worth of oil is dumped down the drain annually.

BP Oil Spill: Clean-Up Crews Can't Find Crude in the Gulf Oh look: Mother nature, 1; alarmists, 0.

 

[Alex p.]

Hm guys, several days ago I found an INCREDIBLE youtube series, called: A poisoned world, in 4 or 5 parts of this 50 parts series, the BP oil spill disaster is the topic and I find it hard to believe what is presented there, so I thought I would share and ask some Americans, if they heared of those things, which are preseneted in the video, already somewhere else. Main point here is, that the oil has been sprayed with a chemical named: Corexit, which is a dispersant. Problem there is, it is 4-20 times more toxic than other dispersants, which even are supposed to be more efficient. Another problem with dispersants in general is (as I understood it), that they are only dissolving the oil, forcing it to sink to the ocean ground, where it destroys an alarming number of marine life. During the process of "dispersantation?" some sort of gas develops, which is being taken up into the air, into the clouds and then, finally comes as toxic rain down. All of this is explained in part 46-49 in this superb series, watch it.

Link for part 46:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0qzSELxGw&feature=related

 

[FoolKiller]

Hm guys, several days ago I found an INCREDIBLE youtube series, called: A poisoned world, in 4 or 5 parts of this 50 parts series, the BP oil spill disaster is the topic and I find it hard to believe what is presented there, so I thought I would share and ask some Americans, if they heared of those things, which are preseneted in the video, already somewhere else. Main point here is, that the oil has been sprayed with a chemical named: Corexit, which is a dispersant. Problem there is, it is 4-20 times more toxic than other dispersants, which even are supposed to be more efficient. Another problem with dispersants in general is (as I understood it), that they are only dissolving the oil, forcing it to sink to the ocean ground, where it destroys an alarming number of marine life. During the process of "dispersantation?" some sort of gas develops, which is being taken up into the air, into the clouds and then, finally comes as toxic rain down. All of this is explained in part 46-49 in this superb series, watch it.

Link for part 46:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0qzSELxGw&feature=related

Americans are aware that there are accusations of some of these issues. It was in the news. The problem is that at this point it is too late to do anything about it, so we moved on. The Gulf floor will recover or it won't.

The fact that they found bacteria that are eating the oil prevents me from being too concerned. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gulf-oil-eating-microbes-slide-show I didn't watch it, but I bet your video series left that out, or that the dispersant helps the microbes.

 

[Sureboss]

Evolution ftw.

 

[Alex p.]

Guys, what you seem not to understand is that all this bacteria uses a lot of Oxygen, the more oil there is, the more Oxygen is used by the bacteria, the less is left for animal-marine life, that is why all along the gulf-stream dead fish of all sorts is brought to the beaches by the waves, I think this disaster is far bigger than most people estimate.

Besides, there is no doubt the oil and the Corexit are killing huge masses of marine life, even with the bacteria dissolving the oil.

 

[FoolKiller]

Guys, what you seem not to understand is that all this bacteria uses a lot of Oxygen, the more oil there is, the more Oxygen is used by the bacteria, the less is left for animal-marine life, that is why all along the gulf-stream dead fish of all sorts is brought to the beaches by the waves, I think this disaster is far bigger than most people estimate.

There is no massive bacterial bloom because the bacteria need nitrogen and phosphates to eat the oil and without enough of that their population is limited. Anyone with a home aquarium can tell you how all these massive chemical balances come into play.

Besides, there is no doubt the oil and the Corexit are killing huge masses of marine life, even with the bacteria dissolving the oil.

And as I said, it's too late to do anything now. The damage is done and now it is a matter of seeing what happens. Does the video offer a solution?

But the question remains, is the oil or the Corexit a bigger problem? Without Corexit the oil would possibly take longer to be dissolved by the microbes. Which will kill more, Corexit or oil?

The problem is, despite what the corporation-hating activist groups want you to think, there are too many questions to know fully what is going on. One study will say one thing and another will say something different. Groups with an anti-BP bias will quickly pick the studies that back their position and ignore the rest.

You watched a video...on the Internet. Did you ever think that it might not be the full story? What is the purpose of this group and their video other than to say that BP is bad?

 

[Danoff]

What is the purpose of this group and their video other than to say that BP is bad?

BP... as in American Petroleum obviously.

 

[Alex p.]

There is no massive bacterial bloom because the bacteria need nitrogen and phosphates to eat the oil and without enough of that their population is limited. Anyone with a home aquarium can tell you how all these massive chemical balances come into play.


And as I said, it's too late to do anything now. The damage is done and now it is a matter of seeing what happens. Does the video offer a solution?

But the question remains, is the oil or the Corexit a bigger problem? Without Corexit the oil would possibly take longer to be dissolved by the microbes. Which will kill more, Corexit or oil?

The problem is, despite what the corporation-hating activist groups want you to think, there are too many questions to know fully what is going on. One study will say one thing and another will say something different. Groups with an anti-BP bias will quickly pick the studies that back their position and ignore the rest.

You watched a video...on the Internet. Did you ever think that it might not be the full story? What is the purpose of this group and their video other than to say that BP is bad?

So, you're basically acusing me of believing "everything what is said on the internet", hm well, I certainly will believe somebody more, who invested a lot of time and work to do such a video, than a corporation, which is making billions, if not trillions of dollars a year. Also, I doubt this guy is an anti-BP activist, you would know if you would see his series as a whole.
And your comment that we can not do anything about it and the video not changing eveything, yes that is true, but what is so wrong to look at such a disaster one more time and trying to understand what has happened there and what could have been done better? Your attitude is disgusting and people, including you, should freakin' finally realize that they will never learn the improtant news in the mainstream media, what a naive believe. Yes, there were scandales, which have been brought to light by mass media but how often does this happen and if a corporation does not want bad publicity in the TV, it will get it's will, there is also an example of this in the series.
Internet is the last truly free medium, and in many countries even this liberty is being taken away slowly, more and more.

And please don't even bother to "answer" to my post.

 

[FoolKiller]

So, you're basically acusing me of believing "everything what is said on the internet",

No, and I have no clue why you put quotes around that because I never said that. I am asking you if you have more to it than one series of You Tube videos by one group with an agenda. Better yet, who did produce it? What have they done before? Are they known for their fact-finding documentaries?

hm well, I certainly will believe somebody more, who invested a lot of time and work to do such a video, than a corporation, which is making billions, if not trillions of dollars a year.

I personally wouldn't trust either. I mean, Michael Moore spends lots of time and money making videos he admits are biased and multiple people spent a lot of time and money creating videos that "prove" 9/11 was done by our government.

Also, I doubt this guy is an anti-BP activist, you would know if you would see his series as a whole.

Just looking at the one part you linked and the title of the next part showed me he was making claims that have yet to be proven by the top scientists in the field working on the project.
Oil Dispersant's effects remain a mystery
Oil-dispersant mix no more toxic than oil alone: EPA

Speaking of 9/11 conspiracy theorists, I checked out the video creator's playlist and found an entire playlist devoted to 9/11 conspiracies.
http://www.youtube.com/user/signsoftwentytwelve#p/c/7ADA4867CBE2814B/0/14vIc4DNLKs
And another called 2012 Reality
http://www.youtube.com/user/signsoftwentytwelve#p/c/125D625F2B5D6137/0/amvIG0Ijsk0

Yeah, reliable source of information there. He also has UFO videos, and uses increased UFO sightings as evidence that the signs of 2012 are upon us.

And your comment that we can not do anything about it and the video not changing eveything, yes that is true, but what is so wrong to look at such a disaster one more time and trying to understand what has happened there and what could have been done better?

Nothing, if the facts are all worked out first. Right now all I would be working with from real scientific studies would be potential results, but nothing definitive. I can't do more than jump to conclusions because the complete facts haven't been found out by the scientists doing the actual studies.

Your attitude is disgusting and people, including you, should freakin' finally realize that they will never learn the improtant news in the mainstream media, what a naive believe. Yes, there were scandales, which have been brought to light by mass media but how often does this happen and if a corporation does not want bad publicity in the TV, it will get it's will, there is also an example of this in the series.

I work in media research. I know better than to take mainstream media at face value. If I did I would be boycotting BP and not asking the government officials why they rewarded that very oil well a safety award last year.

And please don't even bother to "answer" to my post.

Too late. If you don't like having an opinion questioned then put everyone that disagrees with you on your ignore list.

 

[Alex p.]

You certainly have your points and I agree with some of them. But please prove to me 9/11 was NOT an inside job, not that I would be convinded it was, I'm just copying your attitude of argumentation.
"You watched a video...on the Internet."-Well, this quote, in my opinion, is a rather obvious indication that you wanted to say something like: "Wow, you watched a video on the internet, so what?" And alone this type of argumentaion kills for me any motivation to discuss with you anything. And also, there is your username: Foolkiller, it screams ignorance.
Oh and you can of course reply to me as often as you want, only now I tell you that I wont reply to you.
And I do not feel the need to put you on my ignore list or anybody else, that is not my style.

 

[Keef]

See, oil spills are nothing. That's why I just pour my old engine lube down the storm drain.

 

[GT_Prologue5]

See, oil spills are nothing. That's why I just pour my old engine lube down the storm drain.

I remember pouring oil in a neighbors boat....it eventually hit the water, does that count?

 

[FoolKiller]

You certainly have your points and I agree with some of them. But please prove to me 9/11 was NOT an inside job, not that I would be convinded it was, I'm just copying your attitude of argumentation.

Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report
Why the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Won't Go Away
http://www.debunking911.com

"You watched a video...on the Internet."-Well, this quote, in my opinion, is a rather obvious indication that you wanted to say something like: "Wow, you watched a video on the internet, so what?"

Weird. I recall it being followed by an actual question, which is still unanswered.

Did you ever think that it might not be the full story?

All I was doing was asking you if you looked into this any further than a video found on You Tube. The reason why is found in a quote from the last 9/11 link I gave you.

Staking their fortunes almost solely on Internet-based content may have been the 9/11 deniers’ biggest mistake. What seems like a perfect place for pseudoscience — the Internet is un-edited, without fact-checkers or minimum publishing standards of any kind

So, I will ask you to forgive me if I question an accusation made by one source on the Internet without further information provided to back up the claims.

And alone this type of argumentaion kills for me any motivation to discuss with you anything.

You are in the opinions forum. You opinion will be questioned if there is reason to doubt how you came to that conclusion. I have had questionable sources in the past and when it was questioned looked further into and either recanted or defended my source with more evidence.

And also, there is your username: Foolkiller, it screams ignorance.

I am unsure what this has to do with anything other than you attempting to belittle or insult me. Please explain how the username FoolKiller screams ignorance.