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How will you vote in the 2024 UK General Election?

  • Conservative Party

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Labour Party

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Other (Wales/Scotland/Northern Ireland)

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other Independents

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other Parties

    Votes: 2 6.9%

  • Spoiled Ballot

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Will Not/Cannot Vote

    Votes: 8 27.6%
  • Total voters
    29
  • Poll closed .
Liquid
How hateable is this Tory government compared to the Thatcher years?
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I was a lot younger at the time so, looking through naive eyes, the Thatcher government, hateful as some of their policies were, at least appeared to be a functioning government populated with adults.
 
TheCracker
I was a lot younger at the time so, looking through naive eyes, the Thatcher government, hateful as some of their policies were, at least appeared to be a functioning government populated with adults.
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Functionally planned asshattery vs. incompetent asshattery. It's asshaterry which ever way you look at at.

I was old enough to remember (and try and get a job) during the Thatcher years and it's honestly a toss up between Thatcher and Boris as to who has/is causing the most long lasting damage to the country.
 
www.bbc.co.uk

Eamonn Holmes to host his own show on GB News

The former Sky News and GMTV presenter will leave his role on ITV's This Morning.
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What The Hell GIF by PeacockTV
 
He does adverts for over-55's equity release and for devises that improve poor circulation. Target audience acquired!
 
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Can only hope it dies.
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I guess I should have clarified that it's not good for the channel's attempts at presenting itself as legitimate. I bothered to watch a replay that was on their website and um it seems er that-that neither the ahhh, the presenters or the, ah, the interviewer could finish a-a thought without theirrrrrr, their brain stalling like.......... like a media player with, um, with-with buffering problems, so I'm still not even sure what point they were trying to get across in almost five minutes of talking. Something about teenagers using drugs is bad but it's still a choice they should be allowed to have, I guess?

Say whatever you want about Fox News (no really, please do, they deserve it), but they at least manage to make it clear what they're spewing bile about at any given moment.
 
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I've only just realised that the GB in #GBNews actually stands for Good Bye and not Great Britain, or at least I presume it does given the number of career and reputational suicides it has already accounted for.
 
Touring Mars
I've only just realised that the GB in #GBNews actually stands for Good Bye and not Great Britain, or at least I presume it does given the number of career and reputational suicides it has already accounted for.
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I always thought it was Gammon-Backed... but I've been known to make rasher judgments in the past.

Wondering whether Eamonn will invite his former co-host Lorraine Kelly on board so they can helm a #GBTV brekkie show.
 
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You honestly couldn't make some of this 💩up...

The UK Government stand accused of breaking the very laws they introduced to help curb COVID cases by holding numerous parties on government property, including Downing Street itself, during lockdown periods running from Xmas last year. Meanwhile, the general public were legally not allowed to visit their own families over Xmas (including me...), care home visits were suspended, people couldn't attend funerals or get married etc., and hence people are understandably angry at the government for flouting the law, as well as the police for seemingly refusing to act when many others have been fined for not obeying the law.

So, under immense political and public pressure, the UK Government decided to allow an investigation into these parties, and who do they put in charge but Simon Case... notwithstanding that his surname is a euphamism for someone with COVID, it turns out that Mr. Case also hosted his own party on government property, and has now resigned from leading the investigation. :ouch:
 
Touring Mars
You honestly couldn't make some of this 💩up...

The UK Government stand accused of breaking the very laws they introduced to help curb COVID cases by holding numerous parties on government property, including Downing Street itself, during lockdown periods running from Xmas last year. Meanwhile, the general public were legally not allowed to visit their own families over Xmas (including me...), care home visits were suspended, people couldn't attend funerals or get married etc., and hence people are understandably angry at the government for flouting the law, as well as the police for seemingly refusing to act when many others have been fined for not obeying the law.

So, under immense political and public pressure, the UK Government decided to allow an investigation into these parties, and who do they put in charge but Simon Case... notwithstanding that his surname is a euphamism for someone with COVID, it turns out that Mr. Case also hosted his own party on government property, and has now resigned from leading the investigation. :ouch:
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At least they got hammered in the by-election
 
Touring Mars
You honestly couldn't make some of this 💩up...

The UK Government stand accused of breaking the very laws they introduced to help curb COVID cases by holding numerous parties on government property, including Downing Street itself, during lockdown periods running from Xmas last year. Meanwhile, the general public were legally not allowed to visit their own families over Xmas (including me...), care home visits were suspended, people couldn't attend funerals or get married etc., and hence people are understandably angry at the government for flouting the law, as well as the police for seemingly refusing to act when many others have been fined for not obeying the law.

So, under immense political and public pressure, the UK Government decided to allow an investigation into these parties, and who do they put in charge but Simon Case... notwithstanding that his surname is a euphamism for someone with COVID, it turns out that Mr. Case also hosted his own party on government property, and has now resigned from leading the investigation. :ouch:
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Don't trust a Tory.
 
Touring Mars
The UK Government stand accused of breaking the very laws they introduced to help curb COVID cases by holding numerous parties on government property, including Downing Street itself, during lockdown periods running from Xmas last year.
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There is an ameliorating factor for this, at least for Johnson himself for that first one that came out that his aide subsequently resigned over. I spotted someone on social media say Johnson should have known about the party because it was in his house and it's not a very big house.

10 Downing Street looks like this on TV:

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Not "small", but a three-storey terrace consisting of a 25-ft wide frontage main building and what looks like two 20-ft extensions each side (I actually have no idea what that middle door is for). Pretty fair to say that if you have 10-15 pissed aides having a knes-up in that house, you're going to notice, especially if you've got a young baby and Carrie "Antoinette" Johnson is nearby.

However 10 Downing Street actually looks like this:

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And I think the building adjoining it is part of it too, but I can't say for sure.

There are over a hundred rooms, including several reception rooms and dining rooms, the much celebrated/derided £2m briefing room, state rooms and - relevantly - offices for the myriad staff who work in the "office" (as in "job") of the PM. The PM's residence itself is much of the third floor of the left/upper bit, with a balcony looking out onto Horse Guards Parade (which you'll see in Trooping the Colour, if the PM is in residence and not alongside the monarch):

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It is entirely plausible then that a bunch of staff in the PM's office stayed after work and necked a couple of boxes of wine and a Waitrose cheeseboard, then acted like pricks in the briefing room, without the PM having any actual knowledge of it, even if he was in residence at the time.

But this is classic behaviour from pretty much all quarters. Rage at Johnson for something relatively minor, for which he has a totally reasonable defence, and with all the fury directed at that, everyone misses the big, heinous thing he actually did - and even if they spot it, there's no extra level of fury to express and pretty much everyone not furious about it is so tired of the incessant days of fury on the 24-hour news channels they don't care any more. It is Trump-playbook stuff.

I don't know what the big, heinous thing he actually did this time, because all I've seen every time I look at news sites is about a party, or some parties, or lots of parties that the Tories did (which usually turns out to be "people who work for elected officials" rather than "elected officials", as it did with the above), and then other pieces pointing out that Labour, or the Lib Dems, or the SNP also did Christmas parties despite lockdown.


And yes, the people who organised and attended any lockdown-breaking social gathering should be fired from a cannon into the sun.
 
Presumably Christian Wakeford was "Tory scum" a mere 20 hours ago, but is now a perfectly acceptable human having changed the colour of his tie.


I genuinely don't get how someone can defect from Conservative to Labour or vice versa. At what point did the vision of Conservatism prove to be at odds with this «checks notes» two-year veteran of the House's personal beliefs to prompt him to not only turn away from it, but switch to what's ideologically the complete opposite side of the political compass* inhabited by the people who quite literally called him scum.

Liberal Democrats, sure. They're like more liberal conservatives - and more conservative liberals, so they can soak up red defectors too - but Labour? It's so weird to me.


*Even if Keir's Labour is more like diet Conservatism, it's still a considerable leap
 
Famine
Presumably Christian Wakeford was "Tory scum" a mere 20 hours ago, but is now a perfectly acceptable human having changed the colour of his tie.


I genuinely don't get how someone can defect from Conservative to Labour or vice versa. At what point did the vision of Conservatism prove to be at odds with this «checks notes» two-year veteran of the House's personal beliefs to prompt him to not only turn away from it, but switch to what's ideologically the complete opposite side of the political compass* inhabited by the people who quite literally called him scum.

Liberal Democrats, sure. They're like more liberal conservatives - and more conservative liberals, so they can soak up red defectors too - but Labour? It's so weird to me.


*Even if Keir's Labour is more like diet Conservatism, it's still a considerable leap
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Conversely it's strange to see Labour accept someone into their ranks who was so contemptuous of socialists in the past. It's not like the abuse was all in one direction.
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Tell Us What You Think of Labour, Christian

Political defections can always be awkward depending on what an MP's previously said about their new party - Christian Wakeford is proving a prime example
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"Nice" isn't the right word I'm looking for but it is, uh... helpful... in some way to see that there are Tories criticising the Tory party and the Tory government.
 
When the PM, the Tories, and Conservatism are going so badly, that joining the opposition is the most constructive thing to do...

I'm personally finding it more interesting seeing Tories turn on David Davis.
 
Leaving a party to become an independent would make more sense but then he'd lose his seat at the next election. By joining Labour, Wakeford might get to stay in the commons a lot longer.
 
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