Britain - The Official Thread
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UK Govt. Destroyed Journalists’ Hard Drives In Failed Attempt To Stop NSA Story
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/19/uk...d-drives-in-failed-attempt-to-stop-nsa-story/
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/19/uk...d-drives-in-failed-attempt-to-stop-nsa-story/
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Fracking appears to be a significant new technology that gives a new lease of life to old oil and gas wells, and makes new ones more financially attractive to drill.
The downsides appear to be possible impacts on local well water quality, and earthquakes in some areas.
In general, I'm happy that it happens in your town, but I wouldn't want it in mine.
The downsides appear to be possible impacts on local well water quality, and earthquakes in some areas.
In general, I'm happy that it happens in your town, but I wouldn't want it in mine.
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As a technique, or as something that you may or may not want in your backyard?
As a technique I can only assume they won't actually start doing it full scale in an area unless it's safe to do so....
.. as for the other aspect, Nimby's will always be Nimby's, and eco-protesters will always protest anything that takes from the environment.
As we get more desperate for resources, this kind of thing will only become more common, at least in our lifetimes.
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The only time I'd ever even heard of fracking was tangentally, when discussing Wales' natural resources and sources of energy with Evan in this thread many pages back.
We are still rich in coal and gas, the Douglas gas field off the north coast being a prime example, and fracking is a demonstration that we will return and bore the rest of this country dry, something Evan and I prophecised.
We are still rich in coal and gas, the Douglas gas field off the north coast being a prime example, and fracking is a demonstration that we will return and bore the rest of this country dry, something Evan and I prophecised.
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I'm all for fracking as long it's 50 miles or more away from me. Isn't that what everyone is secretly thinking?
I think we need to take advantage of the gas reserves we have not only to bring down fuel costs here in the UK but also to decrease our dependency on other nations. All these green energy measures (solar panels, wind farms etc) are no way near enough for what we need. It's either coal, gas or nuclear. Protesters don't want us to have any of those.
The biggest concern has got to be the contamination of natural water sources. I have seen documentaries on the US fracking industry where wells have seen massive amounts of methane contamination.
As for the earthquakes I haven't really read much into that. But if you're continually splitting rock there has to be some movement.
I think we need to take advantage of the gas reserves we have not only to bring down fuel costs here in the UK but also to decrease our dependency on other nations. All these green energy measures (solar panels, wind farms etc) are no way near enough for what we need. It's either coal, gas or nuclear. Protesters don't want us to have any of those.
The biggest concern has got to be the contamination of natural water sources. I have seen documentaries on the US fracking industry where wells have seen massive amounts of methane contamination.
As for the earthquakes I haven't really read much into that. But if you're continually splitting rock there has to be some movement.
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At worst, fracking could cause some subsidence and that's pretty much it. There's nothing humans can do to cause earthquakes, save for the sustained detonation of underground nukes but even then they aren't 'true' earthquakes
It's worth remembering the UK sits on a few faultlines but I'm not too clued-up on that.
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At worst, fracking could cause some subsidence and that's pretty much it. There's nothing humans can do to cause earthquakes, save for the sustained detonation of underground nukes but even then they aren't 'true' earthquakes
It's worth remembering the UK sits on a few faultlines but I'm not too clued-up on that.
I don't know much about the tremors that they experienced near Blackpool when they began fracking out at sea. It was enough to be noticeable to residents though so it needs to be looked in to. However, there's big, big money involved with fracking so I have no doubt that it will continue whether problems are found or not.
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I wasn't sure about that, because I was under the impression that west Europe wasn't near any tectonic edges.
That said though, North Wales gets the odd earthquake or two here and there, doubtless because Snowdon is an extinct volcano I learnt.
I don't mind fracking. As for NIMBYisms, from my back window I can see three power stations, a steel mill and the plot of land where they're building a huge £800 million incinerator. Not too far down the road there's a landfill and an offshore gas pipeline.
Deeside is the country's workbench. So if they frack around here, I wouldn't be surprised.
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That's the thing, there are dozens of inactive faults all over the country.
Maybe we're just getting more geologically active? Perhaps a magma plume is currently directed at us and is reanimating the landscape.
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This is no laughing matter, especially regarding the caldera volcano at Yellowstone. It erupts regularly every few hundred thousand years, covering maybe 2/3 of the US with ash and lava. And it is about due. Egads!
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Fracking is something that will happen in places that are already 'spoilt' e.g. Wales, Northern England.
Just take the high pressure LPG pipeline that was dug through South Wales to provide largely English businesses with cheap energy. Or the wind farms that proliferate the area.
Low populations, MPs of little influence, not enough well spoken NIMBYs to shout about it and not financially well off to spend a week tied to a tree.
Just take the high pressure LPG pipeline that was dug through South Wales to provide largely English businesses with cheap energy. Or the wind farms that proliferate the area.
Low populations, MPs of little influence, not enough well spoken NIMBYs to shout about it and not financially well off to spend a week tied to a tree.
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There's nothing humans can do to cause earthquakes, save for the sustained detonation of underground nukes but even then they aren't 'true' earthquakes
You've obviously never stood by the track at a historic motorbike race.
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Anyway, I think the British government are heading in a worrying direction with their treatment of Journalists at the moment.
Phoning a newspaper and telling them that "You've had your fun. Now we want the stuff back," is a complete affront to investigative journalism and freedom of the press.
Detaining a journalist's partner under Section 7 for 9 hours seemingly for no reason other than to intimidate said journalist is just a terrifying leap towards the actions of so many an oppressive, authoritarian regime.
I am disgusted by the UK at the moment, even more than I usually am.
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I'm not quite up to date with the journalist story as I've been away all week. What are the key points of partner/HDD destruction and security services?
On that note, rubbish incinerating power stations seem to be a growing trend, but they all seem based in absurd places. Jersey Marine, Swansea and Splott, Cardiff to name a few.
I have read of a method that uses thermal decomposition and not combustion to do the same task, but seen little application of it.
Yeah but think of the employment it creates!Liquid
On that note, rubbish incinerating power stations seem to be a growing trend, but they all seem based in absurd places. Jersey Marine, Swansea and Splott, Cardiff to name a few.
I have read of a method that uses thermal decomposition and not combustion to do the same task, but seen little application of it.
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Anyway, I think the British government are heading in a worrying direction with their treatment of Journalists at the moment.
Phoning a newspaper and telling them that "You've had your fun. Now we want the stuff back," is a complete affront to investigative journalism and freedom of the press.
Detaining a journalist's partner under Section 7 for 9 hours seemingly for no reason other than to intimidate said journalist is just a terrifying leap towards the actions of so many an oppressive, authoritarian regime.
I am disgusted by the UK at the moment, even more than I usually am.
Maybe It's because I don't watch enough news (In fact I know I don't) but I've seen more focus on the fracking story than on this. Surely this should be more important and be headlining the news?
Also from the first link:
Is that a complete bull:censored: bluff? Just to try and censor and silence journalists about this kind of subject? Or is it actually technically possible to do that? It's so hard to know what to believe is technically possible and what is still science fiction when we can clone mice from from a drop of blood and grow organs with stem cells.
