Bruce Jenner in accident

[Grayfox]

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/...zzi-at-time-of-car-crash-that-left-woman-dead

US television personality Bruce Jenner has been involved in a fatal car accident, emerging unscathed from a three-car crash which left one woman dead.

Former Olympic decathlete Jenner told police he was being chased by paparazzi in his Cadillac Escalade when he allegedly rear-ended a car which then veered into oncoming traffic, TMZ reports.

The female driver of the second car died at the scene after her car collided with a Hummer.

The accident allegedly occurred on Malibu’s Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu, California around noon local time (7am AEDT today) and left up to eight people injured.

Jenner passed a sobriety test after the crash.

Former Kardashian step-father, Jenner has been the subject of recent media attention after his mother confirmed he is transitioning to become a woman.

Esther Jenner said her son would detail the process in a television documentary with the goal of helping viewers facing gender identity issues of their own.

Jenner divorced ex-wife Kris late last year, the mother of Kim, Kourtney, Khloe and Rob Kardashian.

I doubt she will be charged.

Average Joe would be charged with wreckless driving causing death.

 

[Jet Badger]

A paparazzi chasing you isn't exactly a life threathening force to justify reckless driving that results in 8 injured and one dead.

I don't think even a Hollywood status lets you get away with manslaughter.

 

[Mikeybc]

When you rear end someone you're at fault. Don't think there is any way around that unless they can prove the brake lights were inoperative on the white car. This will cost him one way or another.

The damage to Jenners vehicle is fairly light also, bumper and grill damage but both headlights still appear intact which leads me to believe he wasn't travelling very fast.

 

[daan]

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/...zzi-at-time-of-car-crash-that-left-woman-dead

US television personality Bruce Jenner has been involved in a fatal car accident, emerging unscathed from a three-car crash which left one woman dead.

Former Olympic decathlete Jenner told police he was being chased by paparazzi in his Cadillac Escalade when he allegedly rear-ended a car which then veered into oncoming traffic, TMZ reports.

The female driver of the second car died at the scene after her car collided with a Hummer.

The accident allegedly occurred on Malibu’s Pacific Coast Highway in Malibu, California around noon local time (7am AEDT today) and left up to eight people injured.

Jenner passed a sobriety test after the crash.

Former Kardashian step-father, Jenner has been the subject of recent media attention after his mother confirmed he is transitioning to become a woman.

Esther Jenner said her son would detail the process in a television documentary with the goal of helping viewers facing gender identity issues of their own.

Jenner divorced ex-wife Kris late last year, the mother of Kim, Kourtney, Khloe and Rob Kardashian.

I doubt she will be charged.

Average Joe would be charged with wreckless driving causing death.

You really should use quotes to differentiate between the news story and your comments.

 

[Johnnypenso]

And the plot thickens:

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/02/bruce-jenner-car-crash

Despite initial reports, there is no sign that paparazzi were a contributing factor in the accident, the police said. “As of right now, there is no indication that Bruce Jenner was being chased by paparazzi at the time of the crash,” Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department Lt. John Lecrivain said in a press conference.

 

[Robin]

Surely with the amount of traffic cameras around these days reviewing footage to find out the truth shouldn't be all that hard. Celeb's seem to always find traffic accidents because they are busy talking to camera or taking driver seat selfie's but this may have been an honest accident.

 

[Imari]

Celeb's seem to always find traffic accidents because they are busy talking to camera or taking driver seat selfie's...

Or high as a kite...

 

[FoRiZon]

So there we have it. A guy accused for wanting to be transgendered. He was annoyed. He was driving a car while the paparazi chasing him. He worried. Then he crashed.

 

[Rich S]

I'm thinking the Russians that recently banned trans-drivers will be having a field day with this. To be honest though, I know of a Navy Seal who was a tranny, so they can perform. I also know of a top 3 finisher on the Tour de France who became a woman. (*its rumor but strong rumor).

 

[Johnnypenso]

Surely with the amount of traffic cameras around these days reviewing footage to find out the truth shouldn't be all that hard. Celeb's seem to always find traffic accidents because they are busy talking to camera or taking driver seat selfie's but this may have been an honest accident.

Of course all the facts aren't in, but in Canada at least, when you rear-end someone you are automatically at fault unless you got pushed into someone or there are extenuating circumstances like so called "black ice", equipment failure etc. On the face of it so far, it appears Bruce just failed to stop, ran into someone and they ended up dying as a result. When someone "stops short" and you run into them as it's described in various news stories, it simply means you were following to closely and didn't maintain a safe distance between your car and the one in front.

 

[playnthru]

It was a deliberate.. I hope they at least charge him with manslaughter.

 

[Dennisch]

 

[Johnnypenso]

For what it's worth, a "recreation" of the accident...

http://www.tmz.com/2015/02/17/bruce...cident-recreation-mta-bus-cameras/?adid=hero3

 

[Dotini]

Sweet, gentle beta male Syrian rebels pledge support for Caitlyn Jenner. Clear proof we should all become Syrian rebels!

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/06/10/psy-op-smiling-syrian-rebels-support-caitlyn-jenner/

 

[Joel]

Sweet, gentle beta male Syrian rebels pledge support for Caitlyn Jenner. Clear proof we should all become Syrian rebels!

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/06/10/psy-op-smiling-syrian-rebels-support-caitlyn-jenner/

What exactly are you on about?

 

[KSaiyu]

Trust Dotini to bring us the most important news of the day.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/caitlyn-jenner-syrian-rebels-show-5842979

 

[Dotini]

What exactly are you on about?

Bringing you the most important news of the day - an admonition to leave behind your alpha male, support universal democracy, and consider a sex change. Male to female, female to male, with plenty in between.

 

[Omnis]

I'm so tired of this gnostic bull ****.

 

[Dotini]

Jenner consistently says something along these lines: “Deep down, I always knew that I was a woman, but I felt trapped in the body of a man. Therefore, I have the right to change my body to bring it in line with my true identity.”

Gnosticism was, and is, a multi-headed beast, but one of its major tenets is that matter is a fallen, inferior form of being, produced by a low-level deity. The soul is trapped in matter, and the whole point of the spiritual life is to acquire the gnosis (knowledge) requisite to facilitate an escape of the soul from the body.
http://www.churchpop.com/2015/06/09...dow-council-the-subtle-gnosticism-of-our-age/

 

[Famine]

Jenner consistently says something along these lines: “Deep down, I always knew that I was a woman, but I felt trapped in the body of a man. Therefore, I have the right to change my body to bring it in line with my true identity.”

Unfortunately for Jenner, he's going to find out soon - like so many transgendered chaps and chapesses before him - that the cosmetic surgery he's had is exactly that.

A man cosmetically altered to appear to be a woman is no more a woman than a man cosmetically altered to appear to be a penguin is a penguin. While he may have changed his physical appearance, his gender is still male - it's etched in every cell in his body - and there is no surgery to change that. He will always know this and that knowledge often means for transgendered people that the cosmetic surgery is not enough - more than a third attempt suicide post-operatively.


Gender reassignment is, it seems, merely an extremely expensive way of cosplaying.

 

[Dotini]

Unfortunately for Jenner, he's going to find out soon - like so many transgendered chaps and chapesses before him - that the cosmetic surgery he's had is exactly that.

A man cosmetically altered to appear to be a woman is no more a woman than a man cosmetically altered to appear to be a penguin is a penguin. While he may have changed his physical appearance, his gender is still male - it's etched in every cell in his body - and there is no surgery to change that. He will always know this and that knowledge often means for transgendered people that the cosmetic surgery is not enough - more than a third attempt suicide post-operatively.


Gender reassignment is, it seems, merely an extremely expensive way of cosplaying.

Thank you - I've never had a reason to look up the definition of cosplay before!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosplay

On the question of whether or not to publicly finance transgendered people with their pharma needs while incarcerated, I'm okay with it if the public wants it. But on the other hand, I disfavor any kind of spending that entails deficits.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Unfortunately for Jenner, he's going to find out soon - like so many transgendered chaps and chapesses before him - that the cosmetic surgery he's had is exactly that.

A man cosmetically altered to appear to be a woman is no more a woman than a man cosmetically altered to appear to be a penguin is a penguin. While he may have changed his physical appearance, his gender is still male - it's etched in every cell in his body - and there is no surgery to change that. He will always know this and that knowledge often means for transgendered people that the cosmetic surgery is not enough - more than a third attempt suicide post-operatively.


Gender reassignment is, it seems, merely an extremely expensive way of cosplaying.

Very interesting. I'm curious, do you have a picture of one of these "Manguins" or whatever they are called?

 

[Famine]

Very interesting. I'm curious, do you have a picture of one of these "Manguins" or whatever they are called?

 

[McLaren]

Gender reassignment is, it seems, merely an extremely expensive way of cosplaying.

That just may have been one of the most politically incorrect things I've read to describe it.


Love it.

 

[Famine]

I do find myself idly wondering just how difficult genitalia transplants can be, given that the Russians are barking on about doing a body transplant next year.

Get a live trans-man and a live trans-woman, and swap their plumbing over. It'd still not address the whole genetic thing, but at the very least it'd give them a chance of functioning normally as their new gender.

 

[FoolKiller]

I do find myself idly wondering just how difficult genitalia transplants can be, given that the Russians are barking on about doing a body transplant next year.

Get a live trans-man and a live trans-woman, and swap their plumbing over. It'd still not address the whole genetic thing, but at the very least it'd give them a chance of functioning normally as their new gender.

Are we talking fully functional gender reassignment?


Wait, something just occurred to me: You first have to find two fully compatible transgendered individuals of the opposite birth sex. You have taken low odds and added low odds on to it. Even pulling it off successfully will have very little real-world application as it will require a very specific niche demographic and half of the number of compatible matches for organ donation are removed from qualifying.

Add to this that an organ donation is basically taking on an immune deficiency. This is an extremely dangerous and risky procedure for something that is not a physically life threatening issue.

Unfortunately, I feel this funding is going toward an odd human experimentation concept just to see if they can. They aren't asking if they should. I don't mean should, as in it is wrong to consider a fix for gender identity issues, but to do it in this way at this time. There are currently multiple studies being done to create new organs for transplantation using your own genetic code, reducing or removing the risk of rejection and making immune suppressant therapy a thing of the past. The funding for this research should go toward those studies. Even if one of those studies were being done to specifically develop reproductive organs it would advance the technology as a whole and vastly improve the ability and outcomes of a reproductive organ transplant (as well as all transplants). And yes, I realize this was a South Park episode.




I just had a crazy, crazy thought. They do this and then the two patients fall in love. The former woman, now a man, impregnates the now woman. They had sex with their own former sex organs and then the father's uterus is carrying the baby created when the mother's sperm fertilized the father's egg. There is a movie here.

That was supposed to be a joke, but it led to this serious thought: Could this create an issue? The eggs in a female are there since birth, so the eggs literally would have the genetic traits of the birth female. They would not match the transplant recipient. Sperm, on the other organ hand, are created as they are needed. Would this technically be a hermaphroditic impregnation or would the sperm still contain the birth male's DNA? What would be the possible genetic outcomes of the baby?

 

[Carbonox]

Very interesting. I'm curious, do you have a picture of one of these "Manguins" or whatever they are called?

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[Swagger897]

@Carbonox you came here at the right time....

 

[Ialyrn]

Unfortunately for Jenner, he's going to find out soon - like so many transgendered chaps and chapesses before him - that the cosmetic surgery he's had is exactly that.

A man cosmetically altered to appear to be a woman is no more a woman than a man cosmetically altered to appear to be a penguin is a penguin. While he may have changed his physical appearance, his gender is still male - it's etched in every cell in his body - and there is no surgery to change that. He will always know this and that knowledge often means for transgendered people that the cosmetic surgery is not enough - more than a third attempt suicide post-operatively.


Gender reassignment is, it seems, merely an extremely expensive way of cosplaying.

I do find myself idly wondering just how difficult genitalia transplants can be, given that the Russians are barking on about doing a body transplant next year.

Get a live trans-man and a live trans-woman, and swap their plumbing over. It'd still not address the whole genetic thing, but at the very least it'd give them a chance of functioning normally as their new gender.

You do realize that genetics are not that simple right? By that I mean the fact there are men walking around with female chromosomes, and vice versa. As well as other unusual combinations. I do not mean trans individuals here either. The fact of the matter is, you can not just say that someones genetics do not match up, as you just can not know that. Not unless you have access to that persons medical files. For all you know, you could have the chromosomes of the opposite gender. There are even people who are not trans, who are walking around with the reproductive organs of the opposite gender. People who walk around with both, and so on. There are so many things that can happen to the human body pre-birth that can cause any number of issues and potential birth defects.

There have been numerous studies trying to find out why some of us are trans, and the Doctors and Scientists have yet to find an answer. But one thing that has been touched on numerous times, is that some of them believe something goes wrong within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. Which then for whatever reason has the potential to cause a body/brain mismatch, which results in some individuals changing their physical sex to match their gender identity later in life. They have yet to prove this, but they are still looking; and also at other things. One thing they are all starting to agree on though, is that transgender is not just in the head. It is no longer regarded as a mental illness in the majority of first world country's.

 

[Famine]

You do realize that genetics are not that simple right?

I have a Bachelor's degree in Molecular Biology and a Master's degree in Human Genetics.

Next question?