Build Log: Photomonster. Now with build pics and description

That's a gigantic cooler. :scared: How's the weight compared to the stock one?

I read an interesting comment on some site that said they should make "horizontal cases" for regular computers. It might be a good idea with these massive heatsinks they have today.

I do remember reading that it's 946g, and thinking "Wow, nearly a kilo". It's got fairly serious bracing that goes under the motherboard.

They do, just flip yours on it's right side. Your everyday optical drive is designed to hold the disc even if you insert the disc while the computer is on it's side.

Optical drives are comparatively irrelevant. It's the hard disks that should be horizontal.

The Antec 1200 case is definitely designed to be vertical, what with its 200mm top-mounted exhaust fan.
 
Optical drives are comparatively irrelevant. It's the hard disks that should be horizontal.

You still can run a computer on it's side though. I have run my computer on it's side once and it worked fine. The platters should not grind against the HDD's walls on the inside.
 
True, and in a lot of commercial disk arrays the drives are all vertical. But it definitely increases the wear on the head movement mechanisms as they have to fight against gravity.
 
That is true but even if the drive fails the company should have a backup of their files. They would use cases that you can easily remove the hard drives from, such as this one.
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How does the Antec 1200 look in person? I'm probably going to use one for my new computer, but I've heard they're not very deep.
 
How does the Antec 1200 look in person? I'm probably going to use one for my new computer, but I've heard they're not very deep.

I'm in the middle of my build now, and I'm taking lots of pics, so you'll be able to see for yourself. :)
 
The Build
For this, we need:

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A camera, some tools, and some refreshments. And a big pile of boxes...

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Parts List
I guess that much of this section is a bit geek-porn but hey, whadda ya gonna do? :)

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I spent quite a lot of time worrying about which RAM to choose. I still don’t fully understand why RAM that runs at higher clock speeds has higher latency figures. And then I read somewhere that anything over 1333MHz is overclocked anyway... So I went for Corsair Dominator XMS3, which seems universally recommended.

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Storage is an OCZ Vertex 120GB SSD for the operating system plus performance-critical files such as the Lightroom database, Outlook files etc, and 4x 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200.12s, which are in a RAID5 array, giving 2.7TB usable space on the volume (so that’s actual TB, not hard-drive-vendor TB)

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It seems a bit weird taking the ultra-modern, significantly expensive SSD and mounting it to what is, frankly, a bit of old pig iron, but such is the 2.5” drive bay adapter!

The graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon 4850 Vapor-X. Really, I just need something to plug the monitor into, but I wanted a card that vents out of the case.

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The power supply is a Corsair HX1000W. I wanted modular, I wanted high power, and I wanted a reliable brand. I swithered for some time between this one and the Zalman, and whilst the Zalman seems like a good product, the Corsair makes every reviewer rapturous. Because my case has a bottom mounting position for the PSU, I needed to invert it, to enable the 140mm to blow into the case void, not the floor. So obviously I had to take the sticker off and remount it in the correct orientation!

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And finally, the Antec 1200 case. With 5 hard drives plus an optical drive I wanted something big and well ventilated. And the Antec 1200 looked like it fitted all the requirements without spending lots of money.

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So, to the build...

Intel ZIF sockets have been good for a while now, but I was surprised to see the “socket” was actually a plug, and that the processor doesn’t have pin sockets, just contact points.

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The Noctua cooler is a proper piece of engineering and takes a good ten minutes to assemble. I was quite conscious of its weight and how that would impact the motherboard. In fact, picking the board up by its edges post-cooler install does induce a slight bow. It took me a while to figure out how to put on the fan mounting clips. The instructions aren’t clear, but a Google Image Search helped out, and I subsequently found that there was a FAQ entry on the subject at Noctua’s web site, so it’s obviously not just me being stupid!

After the cooler was configured, I decided to install the board into the case.

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The Antec 1200 is most definitely not a tool-less chassis. Four thumbscrews hold in each of the three-bay drive cages. Each cage has a 120mm fan drawing air into the case, which I like a lot. The drives screw in – fortunately the 1200 comes with a lot of screws. The Vertex seems dwarfed by the cage...

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And here’s the chassis with all five drives mounted.

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Mounting the PSU was trivial. The 1200 has rubber feet to place it on, then you just screw in.

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RAM and power cables went in next. Annoyingly the SATA power cables are oriented the wrong way, upside down. I took a drive cage out and unscrewed the drives, planning to invert them, but then you can’t screw the drives back in when they’re up[side down, so I had to remount them all. And, like I said, it’s not a tool-less chassis. Grr!

So, I’ve used two feeds from the PSU. One runs the top three Barracudas, running up the tray side of the drives, then back down again. The second runs the Vertex and the final Barracuda. The 1200 has a vertical sequence of three holes in the motherboard tray allowing cables into the management area at the back. Of these, the lower two are busiest. All the power cables go out of the lowest one, plus the chassis cables come in to mount on the bottom edge of the ’board. The middle hole is all about the drive cables, with 5x SATA and 1x IDE going out, and the PCI-E cable for the Sapphire coming in. The top hole sees the 24-pin power come to the board, and 4 of the 5 SATAs come into the run vertically down the inside.

Round the back I’ve bunched the cables together as best I can, and tried to avoid any crossovers. Nevertheless, the back panel is a very tight fit! Out front, I’m quite pleased with the cabling.

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Last I fitted the cold cathodes. I’ve used the watercooling holes to mount the switch for the tubes. The horizontal one isn’t too stable at the minute.

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So all in all I’m pleased with the build. Vista went straight on, and then Windows Update installed the drivers, which was a bonus. Now, to benchmarking and overclocking!

Larger pics here
 
Outstanding build, pics and wright-up, Giles! Congrats on the new machine! :cheers:
 
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It's stable on Prime for an hour at <1.19v, so I've increased the voltage to 1.2 to see if it will Prime for longer.
 
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Congrats on the build

I spent quite a lot of time worrying about which RAM to choose. I still don’t fully understand why RAM that runs at higher clock speeds has higher latency figures. And then I read somewhere that anything over 1333MHz is overclocked anyway... So I went for Corsair Dominator XMS3, which seems universally recommended.

It seems like a trade off to me. Both of them make the memory faster. You just have to find the best combination for your setup. Without any advancements being made on the latency going from ddr to ddr3, I prefer the lower latency side.

The graphics card is a Sapphire Radeon 4850 Vapor-X. Really, I just need something to plug the monitor into, but I wanted a card that vents out of the case.

That looks like a very nice card with that cooler, bit pricey though. But it would overclock nicely.

Intel ZIF sockets have been good for a while now, but I was surprised to see the “socket” was actually a plug, and that the processor doesn’t have pin sockets, just contact points.

The Noctua cooler is a proper piece of engineering and takes a good ten minutes to assemble.

Did it come with thermal grease or did you use another one?
 
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It's stable on Prime for an hour at <1.19v, so I've increased the voltage to 1.2 to see if it will Prime for longer.

Looking good Giles! 👍

You will LOVE the speed of that setup. The direct relationship of the new memory bus manager from the processor to the ram is unreal. All other machines will seem sluggish in comparison. If your heat management will allow it, 1.375v should be more than safe on that build so you still have some headroom.

So what do you think of your system thus far?
 
Wow, the Vertex SSD is $380 here at Newegg. Pretty pricey. I want a SSD also, but only for the OS and a few other programs. I figure 30 to 40GB should be plenty.

The idea of a SSD is NOT to load it with stuff that needs or can be erased and added repeatedly, like music files, pictures and videos, correct? I figure I'd put my music and picture files that I have no intention of deleting, but that doesn't sound like a good idea.
 
Congrats on the build

Thanks! :)

That looks like a very nice card with that cooler, bit pricey though. But it would overclock nicely.

Yes, it's not the cheapest of the 4850s, but it scores well in benchmarks, and the cooling is impressive. Reviewers have clocked it 10-deg cooler than equivalents under load.

Did it come with thermal grease or did you use another one?

The Noctua cooler comes with the paste. Other system builders have said it's good stuff, so I went with that rather than shelling out £5 for a pot of Arctic Silver.

Looking good Giles! 👍

You will LOVE the speed of that setup. The direct relationship of the new memory bus manager from the processor to the ram is unreal. All other machines will seem sluggish in comparison. If your heat management will allow it, 1.375v should be more than safe on that build so you still have some headroom.

So what do you think of your system thus far?

It's pretty mega! It's very fast, and the silence of the SSD leaves an impression of unruffled capability. I've not stretched it yet because I've been working on the overclock and stability side. I've been copying data onto it as well!

It does take a while to POST though, with 6GB and 6 drives!

Wow, the Vertex SSD is $380 here at Newegg. Pretty pricey. I want a SSD also, but only for the OS and a few other programs. I figure 30 to 40GB should be plenty.

The idea of a SSD is NOT to load it with stuff that needs or can be erased and added repeatedly, like music files, pictures and videos, correct? I figure I'd put my music and picture files that I have no intention of deleting, but that doesn't sound like a good idea.

Pfft! $380 is cheap. Best price in the UK was £336.

SSDs are strongest where there are sequences of accesses all over the disk. Average seek times are so low that HD benchmark software can't accurately measure it, but 0.1ms seems to be accepted as the norm. Whilst there are ongoing concerns with degrading performance with multiple disk writes, these are being overcome as the controllers improve, and the Vertex is thought to be most resistant to speed decrease.

I'm using mine for the operating system (yes, with the page file) and some database files. It's probably the worst thing for the drive to be doing, but I've also bought Acronis True Image, so if need be I can image the drive, reset it, and then reload all my stuff.

Large files which are read/written infrequently should be stored on RAID arrays, hence the 4x 1TB Barracudas in my rig.
 
Yes, it's not the cheapest of the 4850s, but it scores well in benchmarks, and the cooling is impressive. Reviewers have clocked it 10-deg cooler than equivalents under load.

It looks like XFX has a similar cooler setup on their hd4850s with a bit cheaper price, at least on this side of the pond.


For your overclock I'm guessing you disabled turbomode and left speedstep enabled? And how far did you go on the RAM?
 
It looks like XFX has a similar cooler setup on their hd4850s with a bit cheaper price, at least on this side of the pond.


For your overclock I'm guessing you disabled turbomode and left speedstep enabled? And how far did you go on the RAM?

No, I left turbo mode and speedstep enabled. So I suppose it's only really a 3.4GHz overclock! Processor drops to around 2.1GHz when idle (40-ish deg C), which I like. Plus it knocks 100W off the TDP.

RAM's running at 1814MHz (this is the doubled frequency, shown in CPU-Z as 905MHz). A nice pickup from the 1066MHz default frequency. It's running at 1.60v at the minute, but I'm still losing stability on thread 5 after about an hour of Prime95, so I may well up the voltage to 1.64, which is just below the Intel limit.

Trying to keep the temps down is a big issue, and I can see why people are watercooling. Intel's thermal design specification says that the D0 stepping chip shouldn't run at more than 70-deg, although many overclockers are running 4.2GHz at around 90-deg. I've an eye on processor life, so have set a self-imposed limit of 75-deg. It'll run Prime95 (for an hour or so) at under 70-deg, but I think I need to increase the voltage (and thus heat) to get it to Prime longer.

Pako, have you done Prime stability testing?
 
No, I left turbo mode and speedstep enabled. So I suppose it's only really a 3.4GHz overclock! Processor drops to around 2.1GHz when idle (40-ish deg C), which I like. Plus it knocks 100W off the TDP.

RAM's running at 1814MHz (this is the doubled frequency, shown in CPU-Z as 905MHz). A nice pickup from the 1066MHz default frequency. It's running at 1.60v at the minute, but I'm still losing stability on thread 5 after about an hour of Prime95, so I may well up the voltage to 1.64, which is just below the Intel limit.

Trying to keep the temps down is a big issue, and I can see why people are watercooling. Intel's thermal design specification says that the D0 stepping chip shouldn't run at more than 70-deg, although many overclockers are running 4.2GHz at around 90-deg. I've an eye on processor life, so have set a self-imposed limit of 75-deg. It'll run Prime95 (for an hour or so) at under 70-deg, but I think I need to increase the voltage (and thus heat) to get it to Prime longer.

Pako, have you done Prime stability testing?

I have. I currently have mine at a 24/7 stability at 4.0ghz and ram at 1866hz. When benching for scores, 4.5ghz was my highest but would only run prime for about 45 minutes or so. I am water cooling the processor with a 3x120mm radiator and 6 120mm fans, 3 pushing and 3 pulling sandwiching the radiator. I haven't looked in a while, but I think my volts are right at 1.4v with load temps right around 70c. DOn't quote me on the voltage though, it's been a while since I've looked. My four cores will vary from 6-8c however, which makes me want to lap this processor to get more consistant temps across all four cores.

When I get bored with this setup, I'm thinking about a acrylic torture rack and phase cooling for some extreme 5.0+ghz clocks just because I can....I don't know. I have to get the wife back to work though so I have some mad money to play with. :D
 
Have you guys tried Linx? From what I have read it loads the CPU very heavily, probably way more than it will ever be under normal usage.
 
Have you guys tried Linx? From what I have read it loads the CPU very heavily, probably way more than it will ever be under normal usage.

Well, Prime95 just loads all threads on the processor fully, and can do this consuming huge amounts of RAM as well. I guess that there are others that do fundamentally the same thing with a slightly different methodology.
 
Congrats by the way.

Try Intel burn test- its got my E7200 up to 85C, prime95 only makes it go to 60ish, so if you want it to burn, IBT is the way to go.

Pfft! $380 is cheap. Best price in the UK was £336.

I think it would have been a little cheaper if someone over here bought the parts and them shipped them. The exchange rates would be in your favor
 
ATI 4000 series cards recently got a nice discount from the manufacturer though.
 
OK, so we're now stable (>12hrs Prime95) at 3.8GHz.

BCLK: 181
CPU Volt: 1.18750
DRAM Bus Volt: 1.62
QPI/DRAM Core Volt: 1.61250
DRAM Speed: 1448MHz
Core temps: 76-73-78-72

Happy with that...

 
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