Built a new machine....come see.

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you need another 4 gigs to be a proper terabyte since it's 1024 that makes 1 meg and 1024 megs to a gig and 1024 gigs to a terabyte...so HAH
 
DAMN :grumpy:

Does it count that the server is wasting 180 gigs due to it running raid 5 ?....
 
Well if we're talking about total HD space that's accessable, here's my current brakedown at home:

Wifes Comp:
13g
20g
40g
80g

This Comp:
80g
80g
120g
120g

Mac DP G4:
80g
80g
36g scsi
36g scsi
36g scsi
9g scsi

For a grand total of: 830 gigs of accessable storage. In doing a lot a video (12gigs/hour) and multi-track audio recording..., storage gets eatin up pretty quickly.
 
Originally posted by Pako
For a grand total of: 830 gigs of accessable storage. In doing a lot a video (12gigs/hour) and multi-track audio recording..., storage gets eatin up pretty quickly.
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Your computer takes up 12 gigs to store 1 hour of video? Wow! My High-definition hard drive recorder has an 80 gig hard drive and 1 gig = 1 hour of stored High-def video. The lower the quality of video, the less gig space it uses.

This is what confuses me about computers. How can it take so much space to store just one hour of video? What amount of hard drive space is needed for me to store High-def movies that my H-d HD recorder records? I'm affraid of paying over 2k for a computer that ends up not doing what I want it to do. I think I will wait for the Blu-ray disk drives. By then, they will have all this stuff sorted out, I hope!
 
Originally posted by Solid Lifters
Your computer takes up 12 gigs to store 1 hour of video? Wow! My High-definition hard drive recorder has an 80 gig hard drive and 1 gig = 1 hour of stored High-def video. The lower the quality of video, the less gig space it uses.

This is what confuses me about computers. How can it take so much space to store just one hour of video? What amount of hard drive space is needed for me to store High-def movies that my H-d HD recorder records? I'm affraid of paying over 2k for a computer that ends up not doing what I want it to do. I think I will wait for the Blu-ray disk drives. By then, they will have all this stuff sorted out, I hope!
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It's actually 12.5gigs for 60 minutes of uncompressed mini-DV at 740x480 resolution, with 16-bit audio. I'm sure your HDTV programming that's being recorded is compressed, thus reflecting your numbers.
 
Originally posted by Pako
It's actually 12.5gigs for 60 minutes of uncompressed mini-DV at 740x480 resolution, with 16-bit audio. I'm sure your HDTV programming that's being recorded is compressed, thus reflecting your numbers.
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So in lamens terms it means 'It's really ****ing good quality?"
 
Yeah, I'd say something like that... :-) After I encode it, drop the resolution, and lower the bit-rate, I can get a full hour on a single 700mb CD-R and have it still look good, but there is definately quality loss compared to the original.
 
Originally posted by Pako
Yeah, I'd say something like that... :-) After I encode it, drop the resolution, and lower the bit-rate, I can get a full hour on a single 700mb CD-R and have it still look good, but there is definately quality loss compared to the original.
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Yeah, the last issue of PCUser had a big table where you compared the size of the disc, the audio bit rate and the video length to find the highest possible video bit rate. I uploaded it to my webhost last night. :)

Video Bit-Rate Selector
 
ignore the 2win layer/twin side crap because dual-layer is non-existent on dvd burners at the moment

dual side is just flip the disk over and u have another dvd on the same dvd.

single dvdr holds roughly 4.5 gb of data. dual layer=9 gigs (but those are only on commercial dvds). Dual side =2 4.5gb dvds. then u have dual-layer-dual-side commercial dvds that hold a grand total of approx 17 gigs
 
On this particular topic, I might suggest www.vcdhelp.com for insightful information.

Single-Layer = 4.7gigs, Dual-Layer = 9.4gigs

Double sided is just 2x's that of it's counterparts capacity.
 
The Blu-ray discs will have 27GB of available space. They can hold 2 to 3 hours of High-def video. I think I'll wait for them. You can read about Blu-ray at the link below if you are interested. The Sony PS3 will have Blu-ray drives, BTW.

Blu-ray.com
Address:http://www.blu-ray.com/

Pako, I thought about the compression, but that often lowers the quality of sound or images. My recorder has no visable difference between live HDTV video, or recorded HDTV video. But I agree with you, there must be some type of compression taking place. The recorder records in either 1080i (1920 x 1080), or 720p (1280 x 720), it all depends on the type of High-definition video being broadcasted.
 
Well, i can easily say that i'm dumbfounded. All this talk about video compression, the p's and i's, High def, etc.... Its all so confusing! Anyways.. Back on the actual topic;

How much did the Radeon 9800 cost you? Don't they sell for almost 500$? If so, then how in the world did you make 10$ off your old machine? What were the specs on the old one, and like others have asked, but you havent given an exact estimate, how much did it cost you all together? After you bought all the parts i mean.

Sorry if its been answered, but i looked all through the thread and can't find anything... :\
 
Originally posted by Acid X
Well, i can easily say that i'm dumbfounded. All this talk about video compression, the p's and i's, High def, etc.... Its all so confusing! Anyways.. Back on the actual topic;

How much did the Radeon 9800 cost you? Don't they sell for almost 500$? If so, then how in the world did you make 10$ off your old machine? What were the specs on the old one, and like others have asked, but you havent given an exact estimate, how much did it cost you all together? After you bought all the parts i mean.

Sorry if its been answered, but i looked all through the thread and can't find anything... :\
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That would be $500 for the Radeon 9800XT, I paid $345 for mine which was the Radeon 9800 Pro, 128mb version. The total upgrade came to just under $1700.
 
Originally posted by Acid X
Man, i wish i had that kind of cash. I feel poor. Oh wait... I am! Haha :lol:
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Same here. I want to upgrade my current PC with the new Athlon 64, two sticks of 512mb DDR 400 and an ATi Radeon 9800 (XT or Pro). I'd need a new mobo that supoprts 64 bit processing though.

I also want to get one of those small Mini ITX cases and deck it out as an entertainment system - TV Tuner card, PS2 adapter, awesome soundcard + surround sound speakers and a DVD burner. I'd use the old parts from my current PC in that one, as it won't be doing anything too processor intensive. Only problem is that I need a TFT monitor and it needs to be at least a 17" to use as a TV.

Here is one of those Mini ITX cases I was talking about. Mmmm...cubage.
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Originally posted by Shannon
Same here. I want to upgrade my current PC with the new Athlon 64, two sticks of 512mb DDR 400 and an ATi Radeon 9800 (XT or Pro). I'd need a new mobo that supoprts 64 bit processing though.

I also want to get one of those small Mini ITX cases and deck it out as an entertainment system - TV Tuner card, PS2 adapter, awesome soundcard + surround sound speakers and a DVD burner. I'd use the old parts from my current PC in that one, as it won't be doing anything too processor intensive. Only problem is that I need a TFT monitor and it needs to be at least a 17" to use as a TV.

Here is one of those Mini ITX cases I was talking about. Mmmm...cubage.
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Those shuttle's are awesome, especially for lan parties.... I'd hate to have to pack this bahiemeth around, but something portable like that with a LCD screen would be choice....for that application.
 
Originally posted by Pako
Those shuttle's are awesome, especially for lan parties.... I'd hate to have to pack this bahiemeth around, but something portable like that with a LCD screen would be choice....for that application.
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Yeah, I agree. :embarrassed:
 
Awesome case...reminds me of the Apple G4 Cube. How would heat management be inside of a tiny case like that considering all the components will be right next to eachother? I remember Apple had made it so hot air would naturally vent upwards and a hole at the bottom would allow cold air to be sucked in. That allowed for no fans but still more than enough cooling. In a PC though, that's not possible since the parts aren't custom built for the case. That's why i'm curious
 
Originally posted by Pako
Greets,

Well I managed to build a new machine in anticipation of Half Life 2. I know...a little extreem for one particular game, but as it was in the past, I believe that HL2 will once again set the standard.

So, here's a brief run down:

P4 3.2HT
Antec 550w True PS
2x512mb DDR400 Dual Channel Ram
2xSerial ATA150 120GIG WD 8mb (Configured Raid0)
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128mb
2x80gig IDE Drives
DVD+/-R/RW Drive
TDK CD-R/RW Drive
2x19" Flat CRT monitors.
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Are you taking after me or has this become the norm for high end computing? I had two 60GB disks striped and three 19" CRTs two years ago. It's good stuff.

I'd like to build a system more like your's, now though, but I'm saving for a 2004 S2000 instead(:
 
Originally posted by Shannon
Same here. I want to upgrade my current PC with the new Athlon 64, two sticks of 512mb DDR 400 and an ATi Radeon 9800 (XT or Pro). I'd need a new mobo that supoprts 64 bit processing though.

I also want to get one of those small Mini ITX cases and deck it out as an entertainment system - TV Tuner card, PS2 adapter, awesome soundcard + surround sound speakers and a DVD burner. I'd use the old parts from my current PC in that one, as it won't be doing anything too processor intensive. Only problem is that I need a TFT monitor and it needs to be at least a 17" to use as a TV.

Here is one of those Mini ITX cases I was talking about. Mmmm...cubage.
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And the obligatory Mod for the XPC.. Here's my HTPC - it is, unfortunately, only a P4 2.53 with 512Mb and a Ti4200 :D
 

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LoudMusic - Just going where the technology is taking me. Since I got my G4 for recording, I was inspired to turn my system into a gaming machine, and since I wasn't in the studio with this particular machine, I could afford the room of the CRT's vs. the LCD's in the studio. When I built my computer prior to this one, Intel Consumer boards still wheren't heavy into the onboard Raid controllers, and most of your Controller cards were too expensive for my needs, but now with the serial-ATA interface, and with the cost of that technology being moderately priced, seemed like a good way to go. :)

Flerbizky,
Nice setup you got there. If we both had to carry our setups down the street and were being chased by ravaging dogs, you surely would win. :) I have a buddy that's ont he road all the time, and tried to convence him that this was a better route then say, a console. Get one of those, a 14" LCD, and some head phones and your set!
 
Sure.

There's different Raid configurations and or protocal. Raid0 which is what I am running will take multiple drives and make them into a single volume drive. Data is written and read to all the drives in the Raid0 equally. This allows for greater storage capacity as well as better performance. Listed below are the other Raid type classifications:
RAID
Level
Minimum
Number
of Drives
Description
Strengths
Weaknesses

RAID 0
2
Data striping without redundancy
Highest performance
No data protection; One drive fails, all data is lost

RAID 1
2
Disk mirroring
Very high performance; Very high data protection; Very minimal penalty on write performance
High redundancy cost overhead; Because all data is duplicated, twice the storage capacity is required

RAID 2
Not used in LAN
No practical use
Previously used for RAM error environments correction (known as Hamming Code ) and in disk drives before the use of embedded error correction
No practical use; Same performance can be achieved by RAID 3 at lower cost

RAID 3
3
Byte-level data striping with dedicated parity drive
Excellent performance for large, sequential data requests
Not well-suited for transaction-oriented network applications; Single parity drive does not support multiple, simultaneous read and write requests

RAID 4
3 (Not widely used)
Block-level data striping with dedicated parity drive
Data striping supports multiple simultaneous read requests
Write requests suffer from same single parity-drive bottleneck as RAID 3; RAID 5 offers equal data protection and better performance at same cost

RAID 5
3
Block-level data striping with distributed parity
Best cost/performance for transaction-oriented networks; Very high performance, very high data protection; Supports multiple simultaneous reads and writes; Can also be optimized for large, sequential requests
Write performance is slower than RAID 0 or RAID 1

RAID 0/1
4
Combination of RAID 0 (data striping) and RAID 1 (mirroring)
Highest performance, highest data protection (can tolerate multiple drive failures)
High redundancy cost overhead; Because all data is duplicated, twice the storage capacity is required; Requires minimum of four drives

RAID 1/0
4
Combination of RAID 1 (mirroring) and RAID 0 (data striping)
Shares the same fault tolerance as RAID 1 (the basic mirror), but compliments said fault tolerance with a striping mechanism that can yield very high read rates
High redundancy cost overhead; Because all data is duplicated, twice the storage capacity is required; Requires minimum of four drives
 

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