Burn out on 1st - 3rd

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I bought a;

Honda CIVIC SiR-II (EG) '95

and i got it up to

Horsepower - 336HP/7800rpm
Torque - 228.99ft.lb/7300rpm
Weight - 915kg

Ive spent probably Cr. 300,000 on it to buy all of the best things, and i have all of the most expensive, well... everything. Now i floor it on 1st gear and it red-lines and the tires spin for about 4 seconds, repeats on 2nd gear for about 3 and on 3rd gear for 1 or 2, depending on my speed. Is there any way i can fix this? i had S2 tires, and i switched them to S3 and it had almost no effect.
 
S class tyres aren't anywhere near adequate for a FF car with that amount of power. S3 tyres can handle about 220 bhp at full throttle. Moreover, the car is very light and the weight is shifted back when accelerating so there is little weight to keep the front tyres planted.

The possible cures are:

1) Throttle control. Learn to modulate the throttle instead of just flooring it.
2) Stickier tyres. R class tyres will help but unfortunately they're outlawed in many races.
3) Suspension tuning. Softer front springs, stiffer front damper rebound are worth trying.
4) LSD tuning. A tighter differential reduces wheelspin, but the downside is decreased agility.
5) Drop the power if nothing else helps.

Note: never use TCS, no matter how tempting it may be. All it does is slow you down.

And then the subtle marketing: my signature holds a link to answer all your tuning needs. ;)
 
try expanding your gear ratios and getting sticker tires. with a front wheel drive your going to always burn out through first but with correct ratios and tires second and third should be no problem.
 
I have to agree with Grey.

But I've NEVER tried to apply much more than 300hp flat through the fronts, and that was on R grades. (There was the 500hp Eclipse that didn't make it, but...)
 
I see, so tighten the rear suspension and make the front looser? Maybe with the 2nd turbo instead of the higher ones? i dont know, ill experiment when i get the chance... what is a good car/type of car to go from here? i can use this in the civic race to get Cr. 120,000 easy, but what is a good direction to go from here?
 
im going to down-tune it a little so i can race the way i did before the burn outs and win the civic race a few times, sell those race cars and go from there, i will look into a rx-8 tho, thanks.
 
Tried the RX-8 and i just cant seem to handle the car, any good tune setups that you know of? I can't slow down for turns fast enough and i cant seem to control it over all, going around consecutive turns causes the car to oversteer and when i try to correct it, it keeps spinning, or fish-tails :grumpy: any ideas?
 
Give me 10-15 minutes then look in the RRV thread.

Mazdaspeed Spec 2 RX-8. 394hp, S3 tires, great handling.

It's up.
 
I have a 415ish HP Integra, and even with TCS the thing is a beast. Without it goes something like this if you peg it ping, rev limit, ping, rev limit, ping rev limit. In 4th it hooks up and finally puts down some meaningful power. With the TCS it still spins them into the red until 4th.

Regardless I love it, the little beastie can dial in under or oversteer on command, and the second get straight if you ask nicely enough it will put some good power down. To top it all off it sounds all ricey. Only way to tame it is to short shift.
 
Sounds like someone is running too much power. By a long shot.

415hp FWD is the same as 415hp RWD, but the front driver is gonna lose because it can't come out of the corners as hard.
 
CirclesCenter
Only way to tame it is to short shift.
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Well, wrong. There is also a thing called throttle control. Nobody's forcing you to give it full throttle in the lower gears. Ditch the TCS, learn to modulate the throttle and you'll get both better acceleration and tyre life.
 
You're missing my point. Mostly.

The only way that car will EVER be effective is with lower power. (I had a 500hp Eclipse that wasn't bad, but it was at full weight, not that fast, and didn't handle too well either. The lighter cars just can't handle the power.)

Even WITH the longest damn gears you can get, you'll still have wheelspin. (If not wheelspin, then the car won't launch PERIOD and won't be able to exit corners efficiently.

I'm not trying to say that throttle control is a bad thing; It's the best damn thing in the world for you in a 1960's-spec race car. It's just that overpowered front-drivers will always be rather useless.
 
Hey, it didn't need to be effective, I bought/modded it just to jack around.

Sorry if I stepped on any Nazi toes. (I know lots of people around here think using TCS, or just pushing the X button is equivalent to filling a burlap bag with orphans, kittens and puppies and tossing it into the river.)

I'm all for realism, but until I save the coin to get a DFP wheel I'm not really going to stress.

I'm sure learning throttle control will be useful, but I don't NEED to. I'm totally content even if I never reach 100%. One day, yeah I'll probably get it down pat even with a DS2 (hate the sticks) but for right now I do just fine prodding buttons wildly.

Sure I'll bet you are faster than me, lots of people are. I bet you hit the grass/dirt/walls less than I do.

But guess what! I probably have just as much fun as you do.
 
Rotary Junkie
Sounds like someone is running too much power. By a long shot.

415hp FWD is the same as 415hp RWD, but the front driver is gonna lose because it can't come out of the corners as hard.
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Oh and BTW I tend to do that. I'm generally in favor of brutal massive overkill. :dopey:

Yeah I like doing the 200 point races sometimes, but others I just end up P.O.'d and take a fully modded Black LMP to the Sunday cup.

The GT-one is like magic... (Insert XXX rated groans and moans here)
 
Okay, if it's a screw off car, it's fine. Everybody likes to sit there with the e-brake on and the front tires spinning... Don't they? (I've been caught more than once!)

But after a point, adding power to front drive will make it SLOWER.
 
I always make a "burnout" car in every racing game I get. Usually FR, with no back brakes, locked diff, cruddiest rear tires, racing soft fronts, super soft rear suspension (more wheel hop :dopey: ) no weight over the rear and a huge pile of front ballast. And of course a gory heap of horsepower.

I remember Sega GT on the Dream Cast where you could pick a body, put any engine in it and pick your drive-train. Got one car to spin the rears to 400mph, while sitting entirely still.

:dopey:
 
Yep. Did that involve a Razza with a V12 and an FR layout?

I did a Favor RS with the 5.0 V12, MAWD, and tuned it to full. It wouldn't go straight.
 
I haven’t tried it in a FF car yet, but to get some 700-800 hp FR cars to get traction in low gears I set the final drive at 5500, auto setting to 1, then take the final drive back to about 2800 or so, and maybe adjust the individual gears from there. You have to do this in order. This lets you get first and sixth much closer together so all six (or at least 2 through 6) are useable. In my corvette and supra, first tops out about 100 mph, and sixth tops out about 220 mph. ao lot nam goi cam do ngu dep thoi trang cho be gai vay cong so chan vay cong so nu chup anh da ngoai gia re
 
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Problem with the front drivers is that to have little enough torque to not kill the tires, we don't have enough to move the car at all.
 
I love my burnout cars. :) I have a 700hp+ SS Commodore that does the most picturesque drifts in 3rd and 4th around motorland, redlining, churning it's tyres off at 90km/h.....the S2's never stood a chance. :D I can also do it with an R34 Skyline GT-R, but it's a lot harder to get the clutch to grab quickly enough to keep the burnout going with standard gearing. :)

As for FWD, that's easy, just do it the bludger way.......hold the handbrake on......rev car, dump clutch and go through gears to redline in top gear. :D It's just as easy to do it the other way too.

As for this guys problem, easiest way on any FF is to turn TCS between 5 & 8 for a good reduction to elimination of wheelspin without slowing you down.

Mafs!!
 

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