Cannot control throttle!! Help!!

[Scaff]

OMG ITS NOT THE ASM!!!!

READ THE POSTS

We are getting this bug with ZERO ASM

You just did not get enough lateral acceleration on your first test, or did the test incorrectly.

TRY IT AGAIN, it is NOT THE ASM

NOT

HOLY COW READ WHAT WE ARE SAYING
WE ARE GETTING THIS BUG WITH NO ASM or TCS
NO ASM MEANS NO ASM

From the post that AlfaAlfa made its quite clear that he has read the posts in question, he covered all areas discussed, including using the 'right' car.

It is of course perfectly possible that he missed a certain part of the test and for this reason it did not get recreated exactly as you describe; its also possible that he followed it to the letter and got a different result. As far as I am aware you have simply posted your observations here, no definative video proof of this has yet been shown, so we are in the process of testing this, you are not automatically right. None of this however justifies the tone you have taken with him, this thread will not turn into a flame session on this topic and you will not start it off. I remind you of the AUP...

You will not behave in an abusive and/or hateful manner, and will not harrass, threaten, nor attack anyone or any group. There will be no racially, sexually or physically abusive or inciteful language tolerated. Any abusive comments made by members will be removed by the Moderating staff and the user issued with a warning or banned, as deemed appropriate by the Moderating staff. No personal attacks on other members will be tolerated. If you question someone, it must be done in a reasonable and semi-friendly manner. Violating this rule will be grounds for suspension and/or permanent removal from the board.

...do, not shout and do not take an unnessasseraly aggressive tone with other members. Continue to do so and not only will this thread get locked but you will find infractions heading your way. Consider this a polite warning, you will not get another one.

Scaff

 

[Rocker]

I was in the middle of moderating my own post when it got sent, before I was ready to post it. I'm not trying to shout at or abuse anyone. I am just trying to make myself clear.

It is obvious to me, if someone can read this thread and -conclude- that the ASM or TCS is the problem, then somewhere, the point is NOT clear. The problem is absolutely, positively not the ASM or TCS.

Heres another thought, by concluding that it is an ASM problem, Alfaalfa is basically insulting me, by implying that I cannot even tell when I have it disabled.

 

[Greycap]

I experienced a similar thing when doing the FGT Championship, read more here:

Click click

That was with a DS2 and ASM on, I have switched to DFP and no ASM since - and never noticed the problem.

- R -

 

[Scaff]

I was in the middle of moderating my own post when it got sent, before I was ready to post it. I'm not trying to shout at or abuse anyone. I am just trying to make myself clear.

In which case you need to find better ways of making yourself clear, because bright red text and upper case shouting are not the way to go.

It is obvious to me, if someone can read this thread and -conclude- that the ASM or TCS is the problem, then somewhere, the point is NOT clear. The problem is absolutely, positively not the ASM or TCS.

Wrong, sorry but you have simply posted your own observations on this to date, I do not yet see any video evidence or a general consensus among testers. As such this makes this currently a matter for testing and discussion, not for you to say I posted first and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

Heres another thought, by concluding that it is an ASM problem, Alfaalfa is basically insulting me, by implying that I cannot even tell when I have it disabled.

Very, very thin ice. AlfaAlfa carried out a test you proposed and got different results to you, discussion and repeat testing will help to resolve this, not you throwing your toys out of the pram. He implied nothing of the nature you have implied, nor has he insulted you. He did disagree with you (and guess what - he's free to do that), and you responded in a far too agressive manner.

Please be aware I will be testing this when I have a spare moment, but I will also be keeping this thread and your posts under watch.

Scaff

 

[Rocker]

Consider this a polite warning, you will not get another one.

Scaff

Am I getting this right?

I made no direct insult or abusive statement.
I "shouted" by typing in allcaps.

As a result of one post in caps I get a rather lengthy reprimand and the next time there will be no warning, just a summary ban from the gtplanet?

Is that what you are saying?

 

[Scaff]

Am I getting this right?

I made no direct insult or abusive statement.
I "shouted" by typing in allcaps.

As a result of one post in caps I get a rather lengthy reprimand and the next time there will be no warning, just a summary ban from the gtplanet?

Is that what you are saying?

I don't believe I mentioned a ban at all!!!! However failure to follow the AUP after it has been pointed out to any member will result in the issuing of infractions, get enough and it will result in a ban.

As for shouting through the use of entire sentences in upper caps, its quite commonly linked, the vast majority of people accept this. This is not open for debate or discussion, please do not post in an aggressive manner simply because someone disagrees with you.

Regards

Scaff

 

[Scaff]

OK I put this to the test last night using the FGT car at the Gymkhana course, for the record these results were obtained using the UK PAL version of GT4.


ASM Set to zero - Both
I tested the car first with all driver aids set to zero and with the car at 11,000rpm or more and a good 2g of lateral acceleration showing, I also tested in both 2nd and 3rd gear. The results are shown on the video clip below, and while the quality from my digital camera is not great (should have remembered to switch off the autofocus - opps) it does show that as soon as the throttle is released the revs begin to drop. As expected the revs drop quicker in 2nd than in 3rd (as should be the case with compression braking), at no point did the car 'hold' onto the revs at all.




ASM Set to 1 - Both
I then tested the car with both understeer and oversteer ASM set to 1, TCS was left at zero. Again with 11,000+ rpm and at least 1.5g present, however this time when the throttle was released the revs held. I tried both 2nd and 3rd gears for this and the results were the same, total changes in direction were also possible as long as you ensured they were done quickly and that the revs remained above 11,000rpm. Again the video below (despite the quality) shows this occurring, no throttle input is shown but the revs hold, in addition the driver aids indicator on the HUD can be seen flashing away as the engine revs are held.





Conclusion
Testing the UK PAL version of GT4 in this manner can honestly lead me to only one conclusion, that this effect is a result of using ASM. I could not get the revs to hold at all with ASM switched off, but with it switched on it was was easily and consistently repeatable. S far as my PAL copy of GT4 goes this is an ASM issue.


Regards

Scaff

 

[Rocker]

Regardless of what the tuning settings are, the vehicle behavior is not correct. If you are able to replicate the problem only under the condition of an ASM setting, that still does not change the fact that the behavior of the vehicle is not as it should be, therefore it is a bug. It does not matter that the bug only appears when you have a certain tuning set. It is still a bug, and the ASM setting is only one more condition that sets it up.

On another note, your statement: "Consider this a polite warning, you will not get another one."

That is a heavy-handed warning, not a "polite" one. The post by Daan, is one I would consider 'polite'.

I would have let it slide, however, you then stated: "... but I will also be keeping this thread and your posts under watch."

Ok? I am not going to be comfortable here with an aggressive and heavy-handed moderator stalking my every post. You win. I am just not going to stick around for that.

Peace.
Rocker <--- out.

 

[Famine]

Regardless of what the tuning settings are, the vehicle behavior is not correct. If you are able to replicate the problem only under the condition of an ASM setting, that still does not change the fact that the behavior of the vehicle is not as it should be, therefore it is a bug. It does not matter that the bug only appears when you have a certain tuning set. It is still a bug, and the ASM setting is only one more condition that sets it up.

Here's the deal.

Scaff has shown that, and I'll highlight this for importance, on the PAL release of GT4, your issue cannot be replicated until ASM is turned on.

You, on the other hand, haven't shown anything at all. You've just stated what your issue is - though quite clearly. Every post in this thread from every member - however repetitive you might find them - has been with the sole aim of helping you with this issue. Almost everyone has said that this behaviour mimics ASM intrusion and two people have gone to the lengths of trying your test out - concluding that it's ASM intrusion.

So, right now, the position is either:
1) You're wrong.
2) It's a bug in the NTSC/NA version fixed for the PAL version.

Personally, I'd put my money on the latter. In either case, I wouldn't be accusing those trying to help you of not replicating the problem correctly, especially given that you say it occurs on standard cars.

It certainly does sound like an ASM issue, it has to be said - perhaps the bug is that the ASM isn't switched off properly, despite showing 0s across the board, for one reason or another. Scaff's tests seem to back this up - the behaviour can only be replicated by use of ASM. I'll check my NTSC/J version (read: even earlier release) later on and see if it can be done there too. Unless you've actually left, in which case I won't bother.

 

[Scaff]

Regardless of what the tuning settings are, the vehicle behavior is not correct. If you are able to replicate the problem only under the condition of an ASM setting, that still does not change the fact that the behavior of the vehicle is not as it should be, therefore it is a bug. It does not matter that the bug only appears when you have a certain tuning set. It is still a bug, and the ASM setting is only one more condition that sets it up.

The tuning settings can't be dismissed that easily at all, the ASM system in GT4 is not (in my opinion) designed to exactly replicate real world ASM system, and as such is going to cause the car to behave in an unusual manner. Without knowing exactly how PD intended ASM to act under every possible situation we can't say its a bug at all, and personally as its controlling under and oversteer in this situation its doing what it is described as doing.

ASM on or off as a cause of this is also rather a large factor as you got rather insistent that it was not a cause and that anyone who suggested otherwise was incorrect.

On another note, your statement: "Consider this a polite warning, you will not get another one."

That is a heavy-handed warning, not a "polite" one. The post by Daan, is one I would consider 'polite'.

I would have let it slide, however, you then stated: "... but I will also be keeping this thread and your posts under watch."

Ok? I am not going to be comfortable here with an aggressive and heavy-handed moderator stalking my every post. You win. I am just not going to stick around for that.

Peace.
Rocker <--- out.

I along with the rest of the staff here regularly review members posts and threads, particularly those of new members, for a very good reason. I have no intention of stalking anyone, and as I quite clearly stated, follow the AUP and we will have no problem.

Considering that under the AUP I could have issued a formal warning or a straight infraction for your rant, then its far from heavy handed. However if you disagreed with that, then a PM to an administrator who have allowed you to complain about it.

Should you chose to return and follow the AUP you will have no problem with me or any other mod, however fail to do and action will be taken. The AUP is not selective for any member.

Regards

Scaff

 

[AlfaAlfa]

I neglected to mention when I tried this that I have the NTSC North American version.

 

[AOS-]

Everyone says its the ASM and/or TCS Setting. However he says that THAT's not the case. He also stated his F1 in particular. I don't think anyone mentioned this, but maybe
-its your Engine Oil? the FGTs can't change oil.
-It could also be that your brake strengths are weak,
-maybe a chassis refresh is needed?
-Reduce some Deceleration?
-Maybe you're Hitting the turn way too much?
-I'm not certain about this one, but i think I too experienced this turning issue, but it was a normal thing. Wouldn't consistent steering hold a car at a speed (no faster no lower) for a portion of time? Like how Figure Skaters spin and revolve for a really long time? Also, Doesn't the RPM Meter measure how many Revolutions your tires make rather than showing speed? Because isn't that what a Speedometer is for?
I'm Pretty Sure some of these factors contribute to a car not reducing RPMs.

P.S, I Too have the NTSC/NA Version (Greatest Hits)

 

[dylansan]

Anyone else find it at all ironic that Rocker refuses to reply to his own thread? I will try to replicate this with LSD settings instead, to see if that has any affect. I'll also see if I can try adjusting other settings to make it more or less obvious. (Say for example the settings causing this were important settings, I would try to find a way to adjust other settings to make it less noticable)

 

[Famine]

Everyone says its the ASM and/or TCS Setting. However he says that THAT's not the case. He also stated his F1 in particular.

And other cars beside...

No-one else has been able to replicate the problem without applying a click of ASM, and then the behaviour has been exactly as described.

I don't think anyone mentioned this, but maybe
-its your Engine Oil? the FGTs can't change oil.

As you say, FGTs can't change oil, so not likely.

-It could also be that your brake strengths are weak,

Brakes are not applied in this situation.

-maybe a chassis refresh is needed?

You cannot do a chassis refresh on an FGT.

-Reduce some Deceleration?

That's an ASM setting.

-Maybe you're Hitting the turn way too much?

That is certainly the case - but why would that cause it, and why has no-one else been able to replicate it?

-I'm not certain about this one, but i think I too experienced this turning issue, but it was a normal thing. Wouldn't consistent steering hold a car at a speed (no faster no lower) for a portion of time? Like how Figure Skaters spin and revolve for a really long time? Also, Doesn't the RPM Meter measure how many Revolutions your tires make rather than showing speed? Because isn't that what a Speedometer is for?

The rpm meter (tachometer) measures engine revolutions. Engine revolutions multiplied by gearing = speed. The speedometer shows speed which is, ironically, tyre revolutions (well... axle rotations in real life - hence why it can be thrown out by fitting bigger wheels/tyres).

And no - if no accelerative force is applied, the car loses speed through friction and compression braking.