Cars you do not want in GT5

as most people have already said, get rid of duplicates, just pd's way of upping the number of cars with no effort. keep the car list strictly to one of each type/shape of model, just doing that with gt4s list gets rid of at least 200 cars, i mean did we really need 8 GC imprezas?!
 
- What cars I don't want?... irrelevant:

As far as I am concerned PD can put any cars in the game it wants, so long as I'm not required to use them.

- What cars I don't want *as a prize to a race*?... that's probably more critical:

I don't want any prize that is worse than the car I used during the race. I had to spend money to buy a car to race and upgrade it, and then spent time and effort beating the race... I want a d:censored:ned reward!!! Not a piece of 1940 junk or a useless "advertizing" plug-in like the NikeOne!!!

I have nothing against those kinds of cars, but those are worthwhile only to a few special-interest fans. If we are going to get them as prizes they should be "bonus" prizes in addition to a more normal and worthwhile prize.
 
zPhoenix
- What cars I don't want?... irrelevant:

As far as I am concerned PD can put any cars in the game it wants, so long as I'm not required to use them.

- What cars I don't want *as a prize to a race*?... that's probably more critical:

I don't want any prize that is worse than the car I used during the race. I had to spend money to buy a car to race and upgrade it, and then spent time and effort beating the race... I want a d:censored:ned reward!!! Not a piece of 1940 junk or a useless "advertizing" plug-in like the NikeOne!!!

I have nothing against those kinds of cars, but those are worthwhile only to a few special-interest fans. If we are going to get them as prizes they should be "bonus" prizes in addition to a more normal and worthwhile prize.

So it's not just about the thrill of winning? :lol:

j/k, that pisses me off, too... but prize cars can have an inherent value beyond driveability... they're symbols that show you've mastered the challenge... :dopey:

Meh... since everyone else on GTPlanet has/will have/has had them for months...etc... it's not going to impress them... down with cheap prizes!
 
Is this thread based on cars i just dont like so would rather them not be include? or is it about what cars would you prefer to have becasue of the limited space on a disc?

If its based on the former than i wouldnt exclude any cars because some of the cars wich i find enjoyable to drive are the "worst" cars in the game based on top speed, acceleration etc etc

For instance i have found the fiat panda and 500R to be great fun and good for battleing against friends because they are so slow you cant afford to make a mistake or you will lose and it becomes more challenging in a sense trying to race a car wich was never comprehended to be raced.

If based on the latter then maybe a few skylines could be replaced or any other car with lots of mutiples.

To be fair though as long as there are a variety of cars in GT5 i will be a happy chappy! :)
 
In regards to the multiple amounts of Skyline variants in GT4, are we certain that they actually 'waste space' on the disc and thus preventing other cars from making it into the game?

PD could've just put several base versions of the Skyline and then put in modifiers which then recreate the multiple incarnations of the car.
 
SagarisGTB
I disagree with all of you, you are al, disguting. Not wanting cars is bad enough, but wanting not having them is worse. :mad:

Its like going into a grocery store and not wanting the store to carry cream cheese because you dont want it there (The store wont listen to you, and fortunately neither will PD). Maybe.. just maybe... somebody else might find that car interesting.

I don't want any car which doesn't have any competition - or rather if "x" car is in, then a competitor MUST be in.

Where's the competition for the F1 car? There isn't any - just another F1 which is identical (perhaps with colour variation). Same goes for the Escudo - it managed a slower sibling Cultus in GT2, but since then it's been on its lonesome as the only Pike's Peak car in the game. Note that by "competition" I mean a similar vehicle, not "something which you can beat it with", as a sufficiently talented driver can take on most cars with most other cars (as in the 2nd 9 Boards Challenge, where I was amongst others racing in Boombexus's choice of fully-tuned Integra vs GT1s on Seattle. 3 laps. No touches. It WAS possible to win the race), especially with GT's immensely monged AI.

The only possible exception to this are the one-off, curio cars. The Espace F1, for instance.

If there's an '04 F1 car, I want either distinct manufacturer variants of it (either real or "homage", realistic stickered or not) - Mercedes F1, Renault F1, Honda F1, Ford (Cosworth) F1 - or '03, '02 and '01 F1 cars. Or have a laugh and race the Tyrrell 6-wheeler, the BRM V16 and anything from Sir Stirling Moss or Juan Manuel Fangio. Same goes for Pike's Peak. We have the not-exactly-special Escudo Pike's Peak. Why no Audi Quattro? Citroen Rally Raid? Ford RS200 Evo2 Pike's Peak? Toyota Celica? All these manufacturers are in the game, so where's the Pike's Peak cars for the otherwise-lonely Escudo?


It's like going into a grocery store and finding they only sell one type of beer. You have no option. If you want beer, you have to buy that beer. If you have a choice, you may well go with the original beer, but at least there's an option to be wild and try something else.
 
niky
But one car I really would like to NOT see in the next Turismo, apart from insane multiples and re-badges, is the Opel Vectra. PD may be catering to fans by including as many fan-favorites as possible, but the typical Vectra buyer is a middle-aged manager who has given up on enjoying driving, and wants a reasonably big coffin to spend the last years of his licensed life with... definitely not someone who's going to go out and buy a copy of GT4 because "cor' it's got me car in it!".

Question: Are you Jeremy Clarkson? Or one of his followers? Lol it reminds me alot to Jeremy, and since he's got bid influence in the car world, what he says doesn't necesarily mean it's true. There are a lot of cars that are boring in some way.

For example, I love the GT4 RUF's, but I hate to see one on the road, cause here in europe, it's the only car that wealthy guys buy, it's becoming more standard as the Opel Vectra!!!!:crazy: :scared: :irked: :eek: I hate porsche, and yeah, dont blame me for messing up the RUF's with porsches. All the same;):P J/K.

I hate the Ferrari and Lamborgini image too, just because most dumb people say they want it. Most regular guys want a Ferrari, no doubt if they win jackpot. But they dont know what they're talking about. A man with class would buy a more unique performance car. I really like to see them in GT5 though, just because I can understand their power and learn their names.
So, I would like to see Ferrari's after all, just for experience.

And....the skylines and lancers are just a freakin fill-up, and to act interesting if they say 700+ cars. It's pathetic in that way. I would really wanna see the Japanese image dissapear, and go global.
 
Except it's a Japanese game so obviously it should have a Japanese image. I like GT because it's provided heaps of Japanese cars for tuning without all that ricer/pimping crap that you get in crap street racing games. I'd say that 90-95% of the cars I use in GT4 are Japanese. I like being able to choose between different Skylines, Evos, Subbies, RX7s and such, unlike other games which give you one model of each. GT will always have more Japanese cars than European or American cars, that's just the way it is.
 
Famine
I don't want any car which doesn't have any competition - or rather if "x" car is in, then a competitor MUST be in.

Where's the competition for the F1 car? There isn't any - just another F1 which is identical (perhaps with colour variation). Same goes for the Escudo - it managed a slower sibling Cultus in GT2, but since then it's been on its lonesome as the only Pike's Peak car in the game. Note that by "competition" I mean a similar vehicle, not "something which you can beat it with", as a sufficiently talented driver can take on most cars with most other cars (as in the 2nd 9 Boards Challenge, where I was amongst others racing in Boombexus's choice of fully-tuned Integra vs GT1s on Seattle. 3 laps. No touches. It WAS possible to win the race), especially with GT's immensely monged AI.

The only possible exception to this are the one-off, curio cars. The Espace F1, for instance.

If there's an '04 F1 car, I want either distinct manufacturer variants of it (either real or "homage", realistic stickered or not) - Mercedes F1, Renault F1, Honda F1, Ford (Cosworth) F1 - or '03, '02 and '01 F1 cars. Or have a laugh and race the Tyrrell 6-wheeler, the BRM V16 and anything from Sir Stirling Moss or Juan Manuel Fangio. Same goes for Pike's Peak. We have the not-exactly-special Escudo Pike's Peak. Why no Audi Quattro? Citroen Rally Raid? Ford RS200 Evo2 Pike's Peak? Toyota Celica? All these manufacturers are in the game, so where's the Pike's Peak cars for the otherwise-lonely Escudo?


It's like going into a grocery store and finding they only sell one type of beer. You have no option. If you want beer, you have to buy that beer. If you have a choice, you may well go with the original beer, but at least there's an option to be wild and try something else.


I agree with that wholheartedly. GT3 offered us an array of F1 cars like my personnal favorite, the Mclaren MP4/4-Honda (F688/s). It saddened me to see it off the GT4 car list (the 1997 vertigo race car is dearly missed as well). In GT3, the MP4/4 had a nice set of competition, including the Williams FW16B-Renault (F094), Lotus 99T-Honda (F687/s), Williams FW11-Honda (F686/s) and the F090/s, (which I dont remember what car senna drove that year, was it still mclaren honda?).

All that being said, The need for an extensive list of cars is not yet present in the GT series. In GT4, you can race a Toyota GT-one, Toyota 7 and a Mazda 787B and still get a competitive race. The cars arent exactly realistic in performance, especially with the race cars. That eliminates the need for an extensive list of cars from the same year/series/era etc. (though it would still be nice).

For example, In GT4 it is quite easy to get a lap on suzuka in a late 80s groupC LM under 1'40 on relatively hard tires. At that same time, F1s werent close to breaking 1'40 even though it was one of the fastest eras in F1 (Turbo). Thats just wrong, there is no way a Nissan R89C should be lapping faster than an F1 of the same era. PD needs to fix this.

Easier said than done though. While PD has most probably driven the majority of the road cars in the game, I doubt they have driven the race cars. Most of the data gathering is probably from video and predicting. How PD could get their hands on the Gt-One road car is beyond me, and the Auto Union Streamline, uhg, yeah right.

While it would be nice, there is no need for alot of the same cars running together. One-make races are always quite fun, and Ive found that mixing LM, JGTC and DTM cars into one race can make for interesting battles.

Even if the grocery store only offers one beer, Ill take that beer and Ill also grab some potato chips, cookies and a few various donuts. All together, it makes a pretty good meal. If you dont like the beer, you can drink water instead. Why? Because Kazunori said so.
 
G-T-4-Fan
Question: Are you Jeremy Clarkson? Or one of his followers? Lol it reminds me alot to Jeremy, and since he's got bid influence in the car world, what he says doesn't necesarily mean it's true. There are a lot of cars that are boring in some way.

And....the skylines and lancers are just a freakin fill-up, and to act interesting if they say 700+ cars. It's pathetic in that way. I would really wanna see the Japanese image dissapear, and go global.

Actually, I was just ribbing... I've never read anything by Jeremy Clarkson on the Vectra, but I'd imagine that's what he'd say about it. C'mon... a Vectra, love to drive??? That's like saying you're buying a Cavalier to kick ass... then again, I was disappointed that there was no Cavalier, Sunfire or Neon (not the SRT) in the game... not to mention the lower end Sentra, Corolla, Civic or Lancer... because these cheap-o cars are what budding racers actually start with... not secondhand Skylines and Evos.

Opel has a lot of cars more interesting than the ones they put in. I posted that a long time ago, when I was doing a review of that big, slow, dog... and since then, I've driven hundreds of other slow dogs (no handling AND no speed). I really do want everything in the game. In fact, I'm beginning to enjoy hurtling around the Nurburgring on a Dodge Ram on N1 tires...

But if they have to cut something aside from car multiples to get other cars in the game, the Vectra ought to go for something more exciting from Opel... I'd like an old Manta, or a Rekord, how about it?

To those who don't think they do... those multiples DO take up quite a bit of space... the Skylines are not clones of each other... same year-model Skylines in different trims have different 3d models and sounds and slightly different physics. They're not just Skyline Body number 32 matched with bumper set number 15 and spoiler number 12... as GT4 models the body as a whole unit and skins it as such. It would have saved a lot of space if they DID model bumpers and trim separately, so they could use the same template for all same year-model Skylines.

But if it all fits... PD can keep them... just put in more of other cars.
 
G-T-4-Fan
I hate the Ferrari and Lamborgini image too, just because most dumb people say they want it. Most regular guys want a Ferrari, no doubt if they win jackpot. But they dont know what they're talking about. A man with class would buy a more unique performance car. I really like to see them in GT5 though, just because I can understand their power and learn their names.



What not unique about owning a lamborgini Miura? or a Ferrari 250 GTO or LM (both cars wich cost over 4 million each) or a ferrari 308 GTO. These cars are by all means unique and any man with or without class would probably want one.

G-T-4-Fan
...............just because most dumb people say they want it. Most regular guys want a Ferrari........................But they dont know what they're talking about.............. I really like to see them in GT5 though, just because I can understand their power and learn their names.


hmmmmmmm me thinks your the one who would buy the ferrari really!!! :)
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not the biggest Ferrari fan but I have a lot of respect for Ferraris as cars. Next time you see a Dino, a 355 or an F40 ask yourself if you can possibly say they're not spectacular cars?
 
Hmm. Let's see.

Any cars with less then 100 horsepower and which you can't upgrade to make faster and better. I do like some of the cars though.

These are the ones I'd get rid of:

Alto Works, Demio, Cuore plus a whole lot more of those Japanese compact cars with very little horsepower.
 
Any SUV, station-wagon, van and luxury sedan ( but I have to admit the Toyota Chaser looked great in GT2, and the LM Chaser in GT1 too )
Ford T
half the number of Skyline and Mitsu Evo
 
NO NOVELY USELESS PRACTICALLY UNRACEABLE POS'S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grumpy:

That and the other <100hp piecers that are for a lack of a better word: :yuck: stupid.
 
i like the idea of the regions..its interesting
but id just like to say along with the previous comments that i dont think any one likes to drive demios or vitzs or any supersub compacts. especially those who have to drive those 'vans' everyday

it goes without saying that WRX, skyline, and evo model numbers should be trimmed. I wouldnt mind all the crappy and repetative cars in there as long as they had other cars that have more right to be in a racing game including recent corvettes, mustangs, and other non japanese sports cars (insert favorite excluded car here)
 
If B.M.W are so afraid that "their" New Mini should be humiliated by the Classic Mini (which it just like in the real world most definitely will), then I suggest that PD trashes the New Mini and give us back the Classic Mini, which have proven its skills on Racetracks and in Rallysport for decades now all around the world. 👍
B.M.W owns both Mini licenses (da:censored:it) and if they won't allow such a classiker to be in this classiker of a racing-game, then PD in my opinion should drop all B.M.W's! :grumpy:
You don't see V.W. act that childish! :dunce:

Well, and then I'd like to join the "Cut down the number of Skylines" club!!
I haven't even seen ONE Skyline IRL! :confused:

Applause to PD for sneaking the Mini Marcos into GT4! 👍

CHEERS !
:cheers:
 
Uhm. The Classic mini is in the Japanese game... but its absence in every other version is inexcusable.

VW owns Lamborghini, and PD still didn't get them.

I've seen about a dozen or so Skylines in real life, and they're not even sold here. (We're a left-hand drive only market)

Yes, I would like to applaud PD for sneaking in the Mini Marcos. 👍 ...actually, I'm happy they put a lot of the "boring low powered cars" in, like the 70's Mirage and Lancer, the old Alfas, the Beetle, the Datsun 510, the BMW 2002ti... (that's a stab at the horsepower club back on pages 2 and 3.)
 
i think that all pointless cars that were in GT4 should br replaced with better cars, i saw in the 1980's showroom, a Honda City, wtf is that?? and who has got one in GT4??
 
joseph dobson
i think that all pointless cars that were in GT4 should br replaced with better cars, i saw in the 1980's showroom, a Honda City, wtf is that?? and who has got one in GT4??

Me. 110hp, less than 800kg. 7 seconds to 60. Can you say "pocket rocket"? Okay... maybe it's a handling turd by modern standards, but I think it's cute.
 
There was a thread similarly titled as "Cars You Hope Don't Make it Into GT5." The thing is, I don't care if it's 200 kei cars and five superexotics, I'm not going to discount a certain number of automobiles just to meet the needs of an all-sports car GT fan. You have to remember, Kazunori Yamauchi describes Gran Turismo as "an encyclopedia of cars." There's already an all-sports car, fast all the time game series- Need for Speed. Like I said, I wouldn't want Forza just to race only bigtime European exotics. Being an automotive enthusiast and someone who tries to respect every car, I don't mind some slow machinery. Once, I had one of those Fiat 500's from the past. You know, 500F, 500R, you know where I'm getting at. To me, if you are going to enjoy driving and if you're going to respect automobiles, you'll have to appreciate just what makes a car and the joy of driving is about. What are you going to learn about automobiles if you want to be in fast cars all the time. Then too, I hate when people say that they want the Daimlers from 1886 to be removed from Gran Turismo games. Why? Because they are slow? I say keep them in the series because they've been integral to the history of the automobile. That six-figure Ferrari or Porsche you love wouldn't have been around had it not been for the Daimlers. This is a racing game, but it's also an automotive encyclopedia (rant at will).

In terms of "pointless cars," define pointless. Yeah, you won't be able to race them against others in GT mode, but they can still be raced. Don't start being picky about such cars. I actually thought the futuristic Nike One was an interesting car. It has eight gears, accelerates pretty quick, handles pretty well, and you get your own pair of Nikes as part of your racing outfit. I like to give things a chance and often enjoy cars out of the ordinary. If there's a car, there's at least one fan or one future lover of the machine. I wouldn't want every car (impossible), but just enough cars for me to be able to race and enjoy. And just because it's a daily driver doesn't mean it can also be a potential sleeper. I may have typed a lot, but at least I'm telling the truth.
 
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