Chrysler For Sale: GM Bids, Canadian Offers, DamilerBenz Won't Talk

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Canadian auto parts supplier Magna International and a private-equity partner have offered to buy the Chrysler Group from DaimlerChrysler for $4.7 billion, according to a report by KeyBanc Capital Markets analyst Brett Hoselton.

Hoselton said the bid is low, but given Chrysler's questionable valuation, investors should take it serious. And they have — shares of DaimlerChrysler hit a 52-week high today on the speculation.

Most analysts value Chrysler between nothing and $13 billion. Some observers feel the company has no value, because its liabilities outweigh its assets. Others feel it could be worth at least a third of the $36 billion Daimler-Benz paid in 1998 to the right buyer.

Even if Magna's offer is overlooked for the company as a whole, it could be offered a minority stake in Chrysler. Magna "also sees it as an opportunity to purchase an inexpensive stake in the automaker should other bidders retreat."

Recent rumors suggest General Motors might also be interested in buying Chrysler. Chrysler could add as much as $9 billion in value to GM due to products and "operating efficiencies including reduced research and development and advertising costs per vehicle," Jon Rogers, an analyst at Citigroup.

DaimlerChrysler's stock surge today makes it clear investors are anxious to dump the struggling Chrysler Group. A recent proposal made by two major shareholders calls for DaimlerChrysler to consider a name change — possibly back to Daimler-Benz — in an effort to disassociate it from the "failure" of the Chrysler Group.

Hmmm. I'm really not sure what to say here. Chrysler is only bringing the profitability of Daimler-Benz down, so it makes sense that they want to sell it, but I'm torn as to whether or not I would want it to come back to America, or go to Canada. I mean, Canada is just like America, just without the guns, and more socialism... Beyond that, a good number of Chrysler products and parts are built in Canada, so it kinda makes sense...

...But then the American in me kicks-in, particularly the small part that is a MOPAR fan, and I'm against it. Granted, I'd rather see the company go to Canada than say China, but I digress. Things could be a lot worse...
 
What was the last Canadian car company? Bricklin? :lol:
Lets hope this goes over better than it did when Chrysler and Diamler "merged."
 
I am not sure what I think.
After owning a Voyager, part of me says "Goodbye and Good Riddance".
But the part that remembers the Superbird, and the original Charger, and Cuda AAR says, "Hey that's an American tradition."

Of course, that makes no sense, as I have no plans to ever buy another MoPar product...(once bitten, twice shy)

Many of the jobs provided by MoPar are already in Canada...
 
Oh good lord, that means my neighbor is going to be invaded by a bunch of Canadians. Before you know I'll be playing hockey, drinking non stop, listening to Celine Dion, thinking French is a proper language, craving ESSO gas for my truck, and thinking Canadian Tire is the best store on earth.

Wow that scares me a little.
 
Well, the way I look at it is that things could be worse. I mean, who would have wanted China to pick-up MG/Rover? I could very well assume that China would be happy to pick up Chrysler as well, for the right amount of money of course...

In a perfect world we would see Chrysler return to the hands of American investors, but even then, it would be very hard to see Chrysler break completely free of the chains installed by DaimlerBenz. The company is so radically different than it was all of those years ago, and given the close relationships between them, I'm having a hard time seeing DaimlerBenz simply dumping Chrysler and running back to Deutschland.

The Canadians may do better than we could, but it is hard to say. But given that the only other major option that we have heard of in recent months was a buy-out by General Motors, it leaves me wondering what exactly can happen... So please, allow me to think out-loud...

- Independent American ownership: Could happen, but it is hard to say if there are enough American businessmen looking to buy a company that is already on shaky ground. But, it may be the only rational option to keep the company in American hands.
- Buy-out by GM: Not a good idea. The General is just getting back to where it needs to be, and Chrysler would only set that back by about 10 years...
- Canadian purchase: Depending on who it is and who is doing what, good things could happen. I mean, the majority of Chrysler is ran in Canada these days anyway...
- Transfer to another German: For some reason I could see Volkswagen buying yet another car company. It wouldn't be a bad thing in some respects, and really doesn't seem like a far-off idea (VW and Chrysler are working together on some products). But, with them possibly buying Proton, I doubt they want the burden of a semi-profitable American company with close ties to their enemy, Mercedes.

...Or the Chinese get to them...
 
I think worse case scenario, in my opinion anyways, is either the chinese or japanese buy it.

I wouldn't mind it being run by canada, but id still rather have it return to the U.S but i highly doubt that would happen.

My question is, is daimler helping out with the designs of some of the chrysler products or is it just the chrysler team themselves.
 
It depends largely on the model. I can do my best to break it down as far as my personal knowledge goes...

1) Caliber/Patriot/Compass: A Chrysler/Mitsubishi job, based on the new Lancer platform. The engines in America are either the standard Chrysler/Mitsubishi designs, however there is also a Chrysler/Mitsubishi/Hyundai unit available. The 'global' engine is available in quite a few models now. However, in Europe you can get these models with a VW engine. Weird...

2) Avenger/Sebring: Another Chrysler/Mitsubishi job, as the cars share their platform with the Gallant. The engine options include the same 'global' engine as the Caliber, however the V6 powerplants are all-American. Also, the VW diesel is available in Europe as well.

3) Charger/Magnum/300: It was the first major Chrysler/Daimler-Benz project, literally being spun-off the old Mercedes E-Class. Although most of the work was done by American hands, there is a lot of Merc influence in the engineering of the car, outside of the shoddy interior of course.

4) Crossfire: This one is another Chrysler/Daimler-Benz, but you could argue that it is all Benz, as the Crossfire is basically a re-skinned previous-generation SLK. I mean, the interiors look fairly similar, its like they didn't even try...

5) Caravan/Town-and-Country: This strangely is a Chrysler/VW project, as they will share the platform and there will be a Eurovan successor to be had.

...The trucks are all Chrysler projects, and have no influence from Daimler-Benz at all. The only acception is the Sprinter, which is sold as a Mercedes, Freightliner, or Dodge... And yet they are all the same thing...
 
Oh good lord, that means my neighbor is going to be invaded by a bunch of Canadians. Before you know I'll be playing hockey, drinking non stop, listening to Celine Dion, thinking French is a proper language, craving ESSO gas for my truck, and thinking Canadian Tire is the best store on earth.

Wow that scares me a little.
Dont worry, i drive a ford and have no urges to set off nuclear bombs, invade communist nations, have sex with my sister, murder people, play baseball, listen to country music, and think that Wal-mart is the best store on earth.

:dunce:

Ownership by a canadian corporation would make little difference to the situation now, and when chrysler was american owned. It would still be run by mostly american ideas no matter who owns it.

And Esso is american.
 
It's pretty obvious he was just stereotyping like I was, lighten up dude, it's funny.
 
i know its just really gross and goes a little to far with the incest thing. but w/e, i found the rest to bit a bit funny.

Atleast our cars don't have square wheels, lol

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( bad photoshop i did a long time ago, should have removed the website, lol )
 
Dont worry, i drive a ford and have no urges to set off nuclear bombs, invade communist nations, have sex with my sister, murder people, play baseball, listen to country music, and think that Wal-mart is the best store on earth.

What did we tell you kids about playing in our backyard? Get out'a here!

...Meh. You're just like us, but without the guns. They always say that if you're an American lost in Canada, just listen for gunfire, and you can find your way home...

Lets just hope these possible Canadian owners of Chrysler don't pull another 'Granholm' on us...

(yay Michigan jokes!)
 
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Most analysts value Chrysler between nothing and $13 billion. Some observers feel the company has no value, because its liabilities outweigh its assets. Others feel it could be worth at least a third of the $36 billion Daimler-Benz paid in 1998 to the right buyer.

So on one hand, it could be worth about $12B, on the other hand it could be worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $12B. I may be taking a wild stab at things, but I'd have to guess it's worth...$12B? :odd:

I really think Chrysler is on the cusp of pulling things together. They have good products, both now and in development, and -- like Cadillac -- they have come a long way from just 10 years ago. This isn't like Ford's situation with Jaguar & Aston Martin, where one was definitely holding up the other. This is short-term money-grabbing thinking on Daimler's part. The real problem is Chrysler's legacy union contracts, and the massive payouts it has to make there.

If Chrysler does end up in Canada, it most likely won't change too much. Canada's not exactly a nation known for ignorance or poor planning. But if the Chinese get them.... Hoo boy.... :nervous:
 
What about Gohsn and Nissan-Renault? I like the idea of that, with Renault fours, Nissan Sixes, and Chrysler eights, you could make a pretty nice portfolio, and the existing models compliment each other, less than compete. Titan and Ram are the closest competitors, and I could see a Ram with a Hemi on the Titan's platform...

I'll think about it a little longer.
 
Coming off the Big Three meeting with President Bush this morning, news is getting interesting over the sale of Chrysler...

Detroit News
GM bid sparked Chrysler auction

'Long-shot' offer still on the table as other proposals are expected this week.


General Motors Corp. has a bid on the table for the Chrysler Group and remains a long-shot candidate to acquire the struggling U.S. division of DaimlerChrysler AG, The Detroit News has learned.

While GM's offer, made in late January, was initially rejected by DaimlerChrysler, the bid is still active as other potential buyers gear up to make their own proposals this week.

GM's bid has three components but does not include any cash payment for Chrysler, according to people familiar with the situation.

To acquire Chrysler, GM offered to give DaimlerChrysler a minority stake in GM stock of less than 10 percent.

In addition, the proposal called for DaimlerChrysler to pay GM more than $1 billion to defray Chrysler's health care costs, and then team up with GM to seek financial concessions for Chrysler from the United Auto Workers.

The GM proposal was rejected as too low by DaimlerChrysler, according to people close to the talks.

The rejection then prompted DaimlerChrysler CEO Dieter Zetsche to go public on Feb. 14 that "all options" were being explored for Chrysler.

Zetsche's announcement triggered a rush of interest in Chrysler from heavyweight Wall Street investors as well as the Canadian auto supplier Magna International Inc.

Last week, Magna made a provisional offer to acquire Chrysler, according to a source close to Magna's board of directors.

One auto analyst, Bret Hoselton of KeyBanc Capital Markets, said in a research report Friday that Magna and an unnamed private equity partner had offered to acquire Chrysler for $4.7 billion.

However, the source close to Magna said Sunday that the supplier is still talking to several private-equity firms about potential partnerships.

The head of the Canadian Auto Workers said Sunday that Magna's bid for Chrysler did not come as a surprise.

"I always thought they were serious," said CAW President Basil "Buzz" Hargrove. "The question is what shape is it going to take, and will it be successful. They are not going to be the only bidder."

People close to the sale process said two major private-equity contenders are likely to weigh in with bids this week -- Cerberus Capital Management and a joint effort by the Blackstone Group and Centerbridge Partners.

Cerberus and Blackstone are in the final stages of formulating their proposals. Both groups have been aggressive investors in the automotive sector and are said to be keenly interested in a Chrysler acquisition.

Cerberus has hired former Chrysler chief operating officer Wolfgang Bernhard as an adviser, a move that could strengthen its position in the bidding process.

GM may still be contender

But even with Magna and private-equity players in the bidding, GM could still prove a force to be reckoned with.

GM Chairman Rick Wagoner first discussed a Chrysler deal with Zetsche in December, according to people familiar with the discussions.

GM, the No. 1 U.S. automaker, was seen by DaimlerChrysler as a natural buyer for Chrysler.

The talks focused on how GM could absorb all of Chrysler's operations and possibly use the deal to leverage historic cost-saving concessions from the UAW.

But GM was unwilling to pay any cash for Chrysler, and insisted that any approach to the UAW be made together with DaimlerChrysler.

When the GM offer proved inadequate, DaimlerChrysler then moved to open up the bidding process to other interested parties.

However, GM and DaimlerChrysler have continued to talk about a possible Chrysler deal, according to people with knowledge of the talks.

Fritz Henderson, GM's chief financial officer, has met several times with DaimlerChrysler CFO Bodo Uebber and chief strategist Ruediger Grube. Wagoner and Zetsche have also met periodically.

One person close to the situation said GM is considered a "long shot" to emerge as the winning bidder for Chrysler. Another person involved in the process said GM appears to be "waiting in the wings" if a private-equity deal does not materialize.

DaimlerChrysler declined to comment Sunday on the bidding process. A GM spokesman declined to discuss whether the automaker has made an offer for Chrysler.

"We've said often in this process that we have conversations with other automakers from time to time," said Tony Cervone of GM. "Often they don't lead to anything.

People close to the sale process said the German automaker is anxious to report progress soon on a potential Chrysler deal, although company officials are trying to dampen speculation of an announcement at its annual shareholders meeting on April 4 in Berlin.

Stocks soar on sale news

Chrysler's $1.5 billion loss last year was the final straw for DaimlerChrysler shareholders who have been highly critical of the 1998 acquisition of the U.S. automaker by the former Daimler-Benz AG.

The potential sale of Chrysler has caused a near-euphoric reaction among DaimlerChrysler shareholders. On Friday, the company's stock soared to $82.36 -- its highest point in six years.

Estimates of Chrysler's value vary widely, but some analysts say its unfunded health care liabilities may largely offset the value of the industrial assets, excluding Chrysler's share of DaimlerChrysler's financial services. Chrysler has $17 billion in health care liabilities, which could be reduced if the automaker obtains health care concessions from the United Auto Workers similar to those granted to GM and Ford Motor Co.

One analyst said potential bidders might ask DaimlerChrysler to contribute more toward the liabilities as part of a deal, but "in our view, it's not necessary for them to write a big check."

With more bids possibly coming in this week from Cerberus and Blackstone, the stock could be poised for another wild ride.

"This is going to be an important week," said Hargrove, "and an interesting week."

It should be an interesting week indeed. It sounds as though GM's deal is a bit of a sour one, but for the survival of the company, a level backing of funds may be needed to keep everything afloat. The problem is, if Chrysler is sold to GM, the product overlaps are going to be far too much to bear (at least IMO).

...We'll see I suppose. I really don't like any of the deals that are on the table, as they all seem like they are selling Chrysler short, despite the fact that they have pretty much placed themselves in this position. While GM has the backing, the product lines don't match up... And while the Canadians have the money and appear to know how to run a company, having Chrysler in non-American hands (Yes, they were owned by Germans, but operated as an American company) just seems like a strange idea...

I dunno. Maybe I should just buy Chrysler so they can do things my way...
 
Chrysler has nothing to offer GM except a mini van that doesn't suck. I think GM would be stupid if they bought Chrysler.
 
Can anyone explain me the link, if there is one, between Mercedes-Benz and Daimler Chrysler? I thought Daimler Chrysler was owned by Mercedes, or is it vica versa? I thought Chrysler was Daimler Chrysler :confused:
 
Daimler Chrysler = Daimler-Benz after the 1998 Merger w/ Chrysler.

Chrysler before 1998 was Chrysler Corporation, creator of the Minivan, the Hemispherical Combustion Chamber, and one of the most prolific manufacturers of Muscle Cars during the 60's and 70's.


If Chrysler was to be owned by Canadians, it better be called Chrysler Corporation again.

Chinese ownership is not cool.

Independent owners would also be good.
 
Daimler Chrysler = Daimler-Benz after the 1998 Merger w/ Chrysler.

Chrysler before 1998 was Chrysler Corporation, creator of the Minivan, the Hemispherical Combustion Chamber, and one of the most prolific manufacturers of Muscle Cars during the 60's and 70's.


If Chrysler was to be owned by Canadians, it better be called Chrysler Corporation again.

Chinese ownership is not cool.

Independent owners would also be good.

I would hope the folks at Daimler felt the same. I doubt that they would let it go to the chinese ( hopefully ), they must atleast know how important it is to the U.S.

Now if GM would stop being gay and just buy it cash, that would be great. I don't think GM really wants to take that chance though, they already have their own problems.

I would like to see it go to someone like Carrol Shelby, now that would be a cool thing to happen out of nowhere. I doubt ford would really like that though, lol.

what i don't get is, is dodge part of Chrysler? I say, lay low on the actual Chrysler part of it and bring back Plymouth. That would be an enormously profitable move if they brought back the Barracuda, GTX, Roadrunner, and Superbird, well in my opinion anyways
 
Why does everyone that doesn't live in the U.S think that the whole united states is like the south.
For that matter, why does the rest of America think The South is like this? I mean, its not like every Canadian is a drunken lumberjack or Trent Reznor.

Then again, a Chrysler Reznor might really kick some ass, although it might be irritable and moody when you push it.
 
For that matter, why does the rest of America think The South is like this? I mean, its not like every Canadian is a drunken lumberjack or Trent Reznor.

Then again, a Chrysler Reznor might really kick some ass, although it might be irritable and moody when you push it.

well maybe not florida seeing that almost everybody that lives there ( including me ) is from other states ( mostly mid-northeastern ) well, where i live anyway.

There are alot of places, ive been told, that are super redneck around florida. you know, trailer park, incest, the whole deal. it makes me sick just thinking about it.
 
What about Gohsn and Nissan-Renault? I like the idea of that, with Renault fours, Nissan Sixes, and Chrysler eights, you could make a pretty nice portfolio, and the existing models compliment each other, less than compete. Titan and Ram are the closest competitors, and I could see a Ram with a Hemi on the Titan's platform...

I'll think about it a little longer.
Would that mean that Renault-owned AMC which was bought by Chrysler will now be buying Chrysler? :odd:
 
what i don't get is, is dodge part of Chrysler? I say, lay low on the actual Chrysler part of it and bring back Plymouth. That would be an enormously profitable move if they brought back the Barracuda, GTX, Roadrunner, and Superbird, well in my opinion anyways

Yes, Dodge is owned by Chrysler. Dodge is one of the longest-running nameplates in the business, beyond that one of the most-trusted, and most recognizable nameplates in America. Killing Dodge would be like killing Mickey Mouse, it just won't happen...

Chrysler has always been the "top brand" overall, but there have been various spin-offs that took the top-spot in the Chrysler brand.

- Imperial
- DeSoto
- Chrysler
- Plymouth
- Dodge

...Thats how it was back in the day...
 
He better not. shouldn't he be looking for manbearpig

nothing pisses me off more than a stupid hippie, especially when they ruin everything.

but on a serious note, id really rather see it go to Canada or back to America (except for that stupid hippie). Is there any more word on who it may go to though.
 
The best thing for Chrysler might be for Hyundai/Kia or Toyota to buy them. Chrysler could benefit from the build quality increase while getting a better R&D department. I may hate Chrysler but it wouldn't take much for them to redeem themselves to those of us who don't like them.

Chrysler/Dodge needs more of this:
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(although I'd fix that front grille)

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And less of this:
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Lets put it this way, if Al Gore was to run the company, it would certainly be a favorite with environmental-type hippie folks, etc... That could be an interesting business model, oh, and he could finally get his way with at least one company... Which could be the 'gateway' to change...

But it won't happen. Interesting idea, but it won't happen...
 
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