CLOSED: POLL: 2.0 Advanced Competition 52 (W: andrea)

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THEME: Do The Wankel!

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Further explanation of the theme, provided by FishyJuice:

Pistons? Who needs pistons?! Take your rotary-powered Mazdas out to play, be it the first
Cosmo to the current RX-8, or any of the models during the 40+ years in between.
Remember, this week is GT5's year anniversary, so bring that A-game!



CARS: Any rotary-engined Mazda
LOCATIONS: Any
PHOTOTRAVEL: Yes
UNIQUE RESTRICTIONS: See Above


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Please, ensure you read and understand all requirements for this competition. Failure to follow
the rules may result in disqualification. If you have questions, send me a Private Message.
  • Do not vote for your own entry.
    [*]Do not try to sway the poll.
    [*]In the event of a tie, a 24 hour poll is created.
    [*]In the event of a second tie or a tie in the final H2H poll, Judge's vote is the deciding factor.
    [*]Please, view each image in it's full size, before voting.
    [*]Poll consists of the Judge's favourite 15 images. For H2H weeks, 8 per poll.
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02.12.11

 
Lol.

1 RX8, 3 RX7s, 1 Cosmo and 10 787Bs.

And yeah, the numbers aren't exactly what you'd call even, but I tried to pick my favorites.



it were the rims, right? :rolleyes::P
Kinda. :guilty:
I think I went for the action shots more than the static ones, and I thought the conflicting colours were a bit too much. I can, shallow as my judgment is, say that your shot may have made it had had darker coloured rims and a higher and more zoomed out composition. Sorry for excluding you. :(
Too surrealistic?

No, not at all in my opinion. You had the entry that was second-to-last to be eliminated, I felt that the lighting is a bit odd, the asphalt is a bit washed out, and I would've gone for a slightly different angle. Sorry. :(

And by writing this do I show that I do not know anything about good photography, but I tried to go for what appealed to me.
 
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Lol.

1 RX8, 3 RX7s, 1 Cosmo and 10 787Bs.

I discounted all the 787Bs. Too obvious a choice, I rewarded those brave enough to chose to be differnt. I voted RX8, really nice shot. I love jus1029's shot.
 
I discounted all the 787Bs. Too obvious a choice, I rewarded those brave enough to chose to be differnt. I voted RX8, really nice shot. I love jus1029's shot.

Lol I thought there'd be more love for the Cosmo actually. Only 3 people used it....
 
In a voting sense, yeah, but I was talking more about an entry in the comp sense.

Yeah I don't think anything is going to mean much in this if it doesn't have an orange and green livery :P.
 
So we're dismissing 787B photos even if they are aesthetically greater?

Aesthetically greater? I dont know about you but these competitions in my opinion are never voted for on technical merit. Just personal opinion and the possible bit of favouritism.

In my opinion you can have too much of a good thing as well. People are obviously bored of looking at photos of the 787. Myself being one of them.
 
Just saying, but the first shot is brutally gorgeous!!!!
I've never seen lightning on a car in a more beautiful way than this has.:drool:👍



And I don't bother if it's a 787b or not....:P
 
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just saying, but the first shot is brutally gorgeous!!!!
I've never seen lightning on a car in a more beautiful way than this has.:drool:👍

I thought so too, has to be seen in full to be appreciated though. Hope people are clicking on the big link!

Even then though, compared to 80Y's Cosmo pic its just another 787 shot. That Cosmo pic is brilliant in every way. Tone, colour, contrast, composition, the car looks premium for goodness sake! The technical and artistic skill in that picture is nothing short of astounding. He deserves more votes. Way more 👍
 
Personally, I love Ben's close up of the design. It was between that, the First 787B and the Green Cosmo, it made it hard to choose. But Ben's take on the idea was different and awesome.
 
So we're dismissing 787B photos even if they are aesthetically greater?

Having a 787B in the picture makes it very hard for the picture to be aesthetically pleasing to me. I'm just one vote, so I expect the "best" shot will still win.
 
Having a 787B in the picture makes it very hard for the picture to be aesthetically pleasing to me. I'm just one vote, so I expect the "best" shot will still win.

May I ask why, or it just due to it being the buy far most used vehicle?
 
May I ask why, or it just due to it being the buy far most used vehicle?

To my detriment, my attitude toward the car is hostile due the massive amount of praise that is (in my opinion) unduly heaped onto the 787B.

I don't find it to be exceptional in any regard and seeing so many entries being focused on it irks me, as the 787B is not and should not be considered the be-all and end-all of Mazda and the Wankel power plant.

When I think Wankel, the first thing I think of is rude, but the second thing I think of is an RX-7 power sliding around a corner, something exciting and dynamic and a little out of control.

In short, the problem is with me, not really the car per se.
 
The picture with the 787B and the orange sky just looks epic in my opinion... that's why it got my vote. There are more amazing pictures in the poll anyway that deserve more votes. 👍

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Too surrealistic?

Are you kidding? Stunning editing, the lighting is awesome I think. And you edited the background as well right? If you did, you did a great job, I can't tell surely looking at the picture.
The lighting on the car is also very nice in my opinion.
Well, that are just my thoughts anyway...

Having a 787B in the picture makes it very hard for the picture to be aesthetically pleasing to me. I'm just one vote, so I expect the "best" shot will still win.

I kinda agree. Not sure if we mean the same thing, but in my opinion the 787B Race Car is just quite ugly... the body shapes and the livery aren't my taste. I know it's a historical meaningful, iconic race car, and I love it, but I don't like the design... and that's the reason I don't like all 787B shots, even if the photo itself has a beautiful setting... the ones up there are great anyway.
 
So we're dismissing 787B photos even if they are aesthetically greater?

No. Aesthetics and reputation of a car should be separate to the critical analysis of a photo. The amount of times someone would come into the photography forums and vote in the polls of the (now seemingly extinct) automotive photography competition, opting for a photo for featuring something like an F40 or SLR over a Suzuki swift, just because "the F40 is a better car" irked us all so much, usually because the photo of the Swift was better in every way. Its not a "go out and shoot the best car you can" competition, its a 2.0 competition - seeing how well one can utilise composition, design and photoshop skills. This is partly the reason why I use standard cars. You have to get down and dirty with the tools to make something look half decent (if I ever win one of these, take a guess at what my theme is going to be :P). I think people should vote for the artistry of the photo, not the car. Indeed, some 787B shots in here are amazing; the use of lighting in the first is amazing, and the example above my Cosmo shot has some great tones, a sense of speed and overall brilliantly framed.

I mean sure, take the pedigree of the car into account when voting, but it shouldn't be the deciding factor.

I have to go somewhat along with what Captain Roh says. VVV

Aesthetically greater? I dont know about you but these competitions in my opinion are never voted for on technical merit. Just personal opinion and the possible bit of favouritism.

In my opinion you can have too much of a good thing as well. People are obviously bored of looking at photos of the 787. Myself being one of them.

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That Cosmo pic is brilliant in every way. Tone, colour, contrast, composition, the car looks premium for goodness sake! The technical and artistic skill in that picture is nothing short of astounding. He deserves more votes. Way more 👍

Thanks! I was tempted to upload the original shot as well...its really rather different. :P

May I ask why, or it just due to it being the buy far most used vehicle?

I think perhaps. One thing I tend to do with these (probably based on my real life photography) is to try to go different. For instance, with last week's drift comp, I could have happily pulled out one of the numerous premium JDM drift cars I have built and snapped that instead, but I saw the Bellet in my garage, with its fog lights and black bonnet and thought "now....THAT'd be awesome" and I was pretty sure seeing as it is lost in the sea of unused standard cars that no one else would rock up to the party in the same dress.
So in this comp, I had a look at what rotarys there were. You have the RX8, RX7 and 787B. All of which are available premium (therefore an easy target for this comp). Then I thought about the FC variant and realised even that was premium. It basically got me locked on the Cosmo, but I thought that would be used quite a bit too, so I painted mine a faded Japanesesque baby green...just to be different. :P

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On a side note, I think it is nigh on pointless to enter a photo of a standard car in here which hasn't been cleaned up in some form or another. I am happy to give out pointers (but of course if you want to learn from the master, ask Bram Turismo), but this is a 2.0 comp where that sort of stuff is needed. This could be because in the old GT4 comp days, you had the unedited comp (obvious), a PMC comp for just adjusting curves/colours/etc and 2.0 was where the car cleaning happened. I think this is where jus1029 falls short. The thumbnail doesn't look too bad but when you click the bigger shot, you see all the jaggies on the car, so there is room for improvement there. :)
 
You misunderstood me entirely. What if the PHOTO was aesthetically better, yet had a 787B like every other photo in the poll?
 
You misunderstood me entirely. What if the PHOTO was aesthetically better, yet had a 787B like every other photo in the poll?

Sorry. :dunce: Thought you meant the car seeing as you mentioned it. If the shots are better, go right ahead. Hell, I voted for one...

I spose where I am coming from is questioning why everyone decided to use a 787B. Not neccessarily in the poll, but in general...
 
Are you kidding? Stunning editing, the lighting is awesome I think. And you edited the background as well right? If you did, you did a great job, I can't tell surely looking at the picture.
The lighting on the car is also very nice in my opinion.
Well, that are just my thoughts anyway...
WOW! Thanks! :dopey:
 
@ 80Y 2C2 I am the same way, but I stick to the none 2.0 competitions. Photoshop is too expensive to justify and I can't even find an edge smoothing tool in GIMP.

I try to think keep away from obvious choices because I think the choice of the car is at least as important as framing and composition of the final shot.

I just used a standard car, because I knew all the premiums would get done to death. Choosing a standard in a non-2.0 competition is game over, but I gave it a shot. I wish the camera didn't lock my at a stupid "safe distance" it should be up to me how close I go.

Some of the shots with 787s in are really good, but with so many I just feel like I'm looking at another good 787 shot, yawn, this is what made the RX8 picture really stand out for me.
 
Photoshop is too expensive to justify and I can't even find an edge smoothing tool in GIMP.
Not all of us who enter 2.0 use photoshop. I use Paint.net that's got less than gimp even, as for line smoothing, it's bassically smuding or clone stamping, or even a line tool in my case. Just about all of the 2.0 comps involve is just curves/levels, sharpness, and a bit of toning.
 
@ 80Y 2C2 I am the same way, but I stick to the none 2.0 competitions. Photoshop is too expensive to justify and I can't even find an edge smoothing tool in GIMP.

Pretty sure its the smudge tool, lower the opacity to like 25% and carefully follow the edge around. 👍 If you are interested, I can fire up GIMP and have a play around to give you some pointers - I started off with GIMP and the only thing it didn't have which I would have liked was a decent vignetting tool.

I try to think keep away from obvious choices because I think the choice of the car is at least as important as framing and composition of the final shot.

To some extent I agree, but only up to the point of what criteria the car is being judged on to make it a good choice. Speed shouldn't have anything to do with it - I think it should be more with how the car fits in with the surroundings.
 
No. Aesthetics and reputation of a car should be separate to the critical analysis of a photo. The amount of times someone would come into the photography forums and vote in the polls of the (now seemingly extinct) automotive photography competition, opting for a photo for featuring something like an F40 or SLR over a Suzuki swift, just because "the F40 is a better car" irked us all so much, usually because the photo of the Swift was better in every way. Its not a "go out and shoot the best car you can" competition, its a 2.0 competition - seeing how well one can utilise composition, design and photoshop skills. This is partly the reason why I use standard cars. You have to get down and dirty with the tools to make something look half decent (if I ever win one of these, take a guess at what my theme is going to be :P). I think people should vote for the artistry of the photo, not the car. Indeed, some 787B shots in here are amazing; the use of lighting in the first is amazing, and the example above my Cosmo shot has some great tones, a sense of speed and overall brilliantly framed.

👍👍👍 I'm completely with you here man!
 
I thought so too, has to be seen in full to be appreciated though. Hope people are clicking on the big link!

Even then though, compared to 80Y's Cosmo pic its just another 787 shot. That Cosmo pic is brilliant in every way. Tone, colour, contrast, composition, the car looks premium for goodness sake! The technical and artistic skill in that picture is nothing short of astounding. He deserves more votes. Way more 👍

Then I suggest you take a premium car and a regular car on a photoshoot and compare the differences if you really are so much irritated by the amount of 787bs this week.

Without being offensive, but there is much more to it than clean surfaces that makes a difference between the two. Premium cars just have more poly counts, and no matter how much work you put into it, a regular car will never look like a premium car without touching the border of it being a vectorized model.

To be honest, your comments just sound like you dismiss all 787b images because of the same car in every shot. The 787b is a) a fantastic looking LM car, b) Mazdas most known motorsport accomplishment, c) Mazdas most famous rotary powered car. Deal with it.

Every single image should be enlarged before any votes are being cast. Every single entry should be judged loose from any other entry. Whether the same car is used over and over again, does not matter. What does matter is how each and every entry compares to one another in terms of technique and overall impression.

Putting many hours into an entry does not justify it being automatically higher rated than any other entry. I have spent tons of hours reworking GT4 images (see sig), yet I can only recall having won twice in GT4s 2.0 competition. It's a tough thing to be confronted with after using so many hours on a single entry, but that's just how it is.
 
Then I suggest you take a premium car and a regular car on a photoshoot and compare the differences if you really are so much irritated by the amount of 787bs this week.

Without being offensive, but there is much more to it than clean surfaces that makes a difference between the two. Premium cars just have more poly counts, and no matter how much work you put into it, a regular car will never look like a premium car without touching the border of it being a vectorized model.

To be honest, your comments just sound like you dismiss all 787b images because of the same car in every shot. The 787b is a) a fantastic looking LM car, b) Mazdas most known motorsport accomplishment, c) Mazdas most famous rotary powered car. Deal with it.

Every single image should be enlarged before any votes are being cast. Every single entry should be judged loose from any other entry. Whether the same car is used over and over again, does not matter. What does matter is how each and every entry compares to one another in terms of technique and overall impression.

Putting many hours into an entry does not justify it being automatically higher rated than any other entry. I have spent tons of hours reworking GT4 images (see sig), yet I can only recall having won twice in GT4s 2.0 competition. It's a tough thing to be confronted with after using so many hours on a single entry, but that's just how it is.

Well said!!

I must said I thought about not entering this comp with a 787B shot but doing so would be just strategical (differ from bunch of 787B). But I rather entered with a 787B shot I was thinking was good enough. I made the poll, I'm happy :dopey:
 
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