CLOSED: POLL: The GT5 Photomode Competition: Week 7
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I didn't expect to get in, as this is my first time in a competition.
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- DanielT-93 GTP_PedanticNerd
Didn't make it this week, but I think the problem is I'm not capturing the theme. I'll try and put some feeling into the shot next time, not just make a pretty picture that fits the specs.
Well done to all who got through anyway, and that's some well-deserved ownage with the second shot!
Well done to all who got through anyway, and that's some well-deserved ownage with the second shot!
Ah well. I did like my photo though. I should get some nice ones next week.
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- layahma
I think the poll thread subtitle should restate the theme of the week instead of a question trying not to be boring (same thing with 2.0 poll) because it could be misleading. The theme is not what sums up rallying or which car is driving off into the sunset but it's just "rally" and "sunrise/sunset". I got excited when the thread showed up and voted for what summed up rally not thinking about whats the better photo, which i later realize and even later regret my vote.
It's just a suggestion.👍 what sums up rally could be someones criteria but not all. I'm just being nit picky, but i wouldn't want any outside influence.
But what do i care, I didn't even make it in.👎
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- lavosim
I really don't think its that good compared to many others here. I actually think some voted for the wrong one by mistake. Voting tick boxes are weirdly placed and it already happened to me that I voted for the wrong one by mistake.
But who knows, maybe people really do like it.
But who knows, maybe people really do like it.
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- gtun3d
Yeah, or it's a horrible angle but it looks somewhat "real" I voted for the old lancer i think it is, that had the tree infront of it. It has a realistic camera angle and movement and blur, but also a sense of artistic touch that was very well made. The leading shot is washed out, and just snapped, i think a sense of motion or something would of made it alot better.
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
*looks at RG's F40 image, or Mog's Gallardo, or Atlop's Cobra interior shot, or...*
Yeah, don't see it.
Some of the voting decisions can be... unexpected, but that's the interesting bit about public voting; everyone has different criteria they deem important. Some might vote based on the artistic qualities they've learned to look for, others because of a car they like, others still about how it reflects the theme (speaking of which, how they personally interpret the theme can also vary).
The main problem for me is that sometimes voting can be so heavily skewed because someone has a lot of their mates vote for their picture.
I've basically stopped entering these competitions because of that, it's so clear that the voting isn't capturing what people really believe. In my opinion the voting should be left to a panel of "experts", for fairness, and so that the better photo's stand a chance.
I've basically stopped entering these competitions because of that, it's so clear that the voting isn't capturing what people really believe. In my opinion the voting should be left to a panel of "experts", for fairness, and so that the better photo's stand a chance.
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- Revolution52
I don't see it... there are 254 votes on this poll (which is an awful lot!), you'd need A LOT of mates to vote on your image if you wanted to be anywhere near the lead.
A panel of experts in theory is a good idea, but who chooses the experts? And what qualifies them? It's an internet photo competition run by fans of a video game after all.
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Maybe we could have a poll to choose the experts! Then I'll get all my mates to vote for me.
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
As a Moderator, those kinds of things are very easy to suss out, and that's why the poll results list usernames (makes it easy to find when people vote for their own entry, too). We also have a fun little catch-all clause in the rules each week for polls "Don't try to sway the poll". Having a bunch of friends join up just to vote seems an awful lot of work for a video-game-based photo competition, no?
Besides, many of the votes the past three weeks have been due to the higher visibility of the comps afforded to us by the front page articles Jordan's let me start putting up. Most of these people don't spend a lot of time in here, and there's no indication of who's shot is who's in the PMC, so they're most likely just voting for whichever appeals to them personally
.A panel could end up with less "fairness" than the current setup, really.
The voting pretty clearly captures what people really believe; it's just a question of which people you're asking
. Having a handful of "experts" hand out mysterious decisions kind of goes against that idea, as it wouldn't be representative of what many think, just them.One thing we have discussed back-channel is the idea of including a "Judge's Choice" award where the week's judge points out his personal favourite of the poll. However, I'm thinking we wouldn't announce it until the end of the voting so as not to sway the poll - but users would be able to figure it out easily enough by seeing which image the judge casts their vote for
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- lavosim
I really think people voted for the wrong picture. The picture above it, that looks to be one of the favourites, only got 2 votes. So, can any one that voted for that dirt picture tell us why he voted for it?
ps. Gah. After looking at voting results I noticed even I again voted for the wrong picture! I wanted to vote for the blue subaru, but my vote went to the jumping citroen below it. I just don't get it. I even counted the boxes and ticks this time.
I voted for the second picture and FWIW am a fairly decent photographer (yes I have sold work).
The brief is what sums up rallying, for me that's dirt and speed so that instantly rules out a lot of the pictures here anyway. After that I'm looking for good composition and also for something a little different to the norm, something that doesn't look like the generic shot of a car going round a corner. Overall, I'm looking for a picture I like and would be happy if I'd taken myself.
So there you go, that was the ratonale behind my thinking, art is subjective so you may or may not agree with it. But if we all liked the same stuff the world would be a very dull place indeed.
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- bertvw
Maybe we just need a system where we don't see the name of the ones who took the picture.
For example all final entries needed to be sended in a 500 pixel wide rule like now (linked and everything, like you would post it) to the moderator,
wich then posts them all under eachother already, without the name of the one making it next to it.
By doing this, the winner who needs to make the selection has a clear overview,
makes his selection purely based on the picture (problem solved for the paranoia people) and it would all look a tad more tightier.
It would only give slipZ more work, wich is probably not possible, because i feel you're swimming in it. But hey, just a thought.
Same for 2.0 btw.
For example all final entries needed to be sended in a 500 pixel wide rule like now (linked and everything, like you would post it) to the moderator,
wich then posts them all under eachother already, without the name of the one making it next to it.
By doing this, the winner who needs to make the selection has a clear overview,
makes his selection purely based on the picture (problem solved for the paranoia people) and it would all look a tad more tightier.
It would only give slipZ more work, wich is probably not possible, because i feel you're swimming in it. But hey, just a thought.
Same for 2.0 btw.
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- SlipZtrEm
It's a cool idea speedthrill, but the nature of the forum means yeah, it'd be a lot of work on my part... and there's no guarantee the judge couldn't just come into the thread and put names to pictures anyways. If there were an easy solution to ensure anonymous entry, we'd do it 👍
s-oso - I never have a problem ticking the right box, but since you do - just make sure the radio button lines up with the bottom of an image. If it does, that's the image you're picking.
s-oso - I never have a problem ticking the right box, but since you do - just make sure the radio button lines up with the bottom of an image. If it does, that's the image you're picking
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- ejronin
Maybe we could have a poll to choose the experts! Then I'll get all my mates to vote for me.
Ah, but the fault in the plan is the definition of "expert". In the name of fairness how can you say who is and is not an 'expert'? Take video games for example - critics are thought of a 'experts' yet when one remarks about a game that others disagree with, suddenly their 'tools' or 'idiots' that 'are paid,' Irrespective of whether a critic is paid for an opinion (look at gameinformer hard for that one), there's some modicum of heartfelt experiential knowledge that goes with it. the long short of that is, until you get to quantum mechanics, everything follows a pattern, and subjective experts will show a pattern in time to those paying attention. I, try and pay attention as I'm sure do others. This plan would survive maybe a month and serve to only agitate and repress members looking to compete fairly. Let's not poison the well, eh?
The best plan is to leave it open to the public so that the metric slides with the current trends. If we pick a panel of judges and discover they lean a certain style, then everyone's creative energy goes to appeasing the judges rather than acting in accordance with honest creativity.
It's true, seemingly, that certain members have a set style they revert to and they're identifiable based on that style. Moglet seems to go for a washed out image and pulls it off well, while RG likes color harmonies and contrast with a-bit-of-a 50's "is is touched up with color pencil?" or "hey, this sort of belongs on a Trapper Keeper (popular 80's notebook in the US)" feel - and pulls it off well. Despite these patterns, I find it somewhat difficult to compete with some of the more experienced member's work because I'm not on that level yet. I'm okay with that though. Members like Moglet, GTPhotography, and several others have the challenge to incorporate what they are comfortable with into various themes and I have a personal goal of trouncing at least one of the contests soon, and because if I do then I know I've gotten better with my tools. There are no hard feelings in art - its personal expression with a set of responsibilities.
I think if people look at the competitions as a manner of improvement rather than a system of revolving kudos, no sound arguments will find a place in the discussion about the superficial aspects. No system is perfect but not every system can be 'gamed'.
To the people that consistently (at least since I've been here) complain about "why didn't I get in" or "my shot was better than the winning one"... perhaps to you it was, but from experience when I have felt that way in the past, I have to ask myself several things:
- Have I been concise with my presentation? (don't blame the audience for misunderstanding a poorly executed message, blame yourself).
- Is there anything I wouldn't take away? (It is my experience that I know I'm done, not when I have nothing left to add, but when I have nothing left to remove).
- Can I look away for a couple of days and then return and derive the same message as quickly? (sometimes investment into a project for a period of time clouds perception. Take a break and come back to it with fresh eyes and as the observer, not artist).
- Is this something I'd want my name associated with? (years later you may look back and feel negativity toward some pieces, but if you note progression over time through it, then the piece is simply part of a natural path).
If the answer to these is "no" then the conclusion is that you're not done, not good and need to practice, or have too low a standard and probably shouldn't waste people's time with less than your best - take your pick.
I get that this is just a game and for some, no big deal. I would however, argue that if I'm not going to accept less than my best from things that matter, it makes no sense to accept it from things that don't; there is no sound argument for doing anything half-assed.
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- Lisboa
Brilliant post. I subscribe it in every word and actually made me think about my own way of entering these competitions and showing my pictures to the community, with sometimes, half-assed entries/images. 👍
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- lavosim
s-oso - I never have a problem ticking the right box, but since you do - just make sure the radio button lines up with the bottom of an image. If it does, that's the image you're picking
They don't line up correctly for me. Thats the problem, it probably has something to do with my resolution and browser, selecting a right picture looks really chaotic for me. I'll take a screenshot for the next wheek and show you how it looks.
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