Corvette ZO6 Daytona Pace Car

[niky]

I don't know where these whining p***ies come from... I've heard so many people b**** and complain about all these little things that are insigificant. If your a real Viper Lover (apparently that's fanboy here ) none of those little things bother you. I've been in a bunch of Vipers and everytime I never had any time to care about the car because I was constantly having to "hold on for dear life". Not to mention that V10 is so friggin loud you can't hear anything anyway, a radio is pretty much worthless and why would you want one with that bad ass sound.

You're obviously a fanboy.

My cousin complained that his dad's brand new Viper is a b*tch to drive, and they've had a lot of non-scheduled maintenance done... fanbelts, etc... something about it running a bit hot (it conked out on his dad in Montana? or thereabouts)...

but he's still a fanboy, he loves that awesome power... and he can't wait to take it down to the track when he goes home for the summer.

I guess the Viper's just the kind a car that bites you in the a$$ and doesn't let go.

 

[Delirious]

http://www.muscularmustangs.com/pacecar.php (Description and more pics at link)

 

[Omnis]

Why would they do that? It's part of the body and the clear lens is just to prevent breakage from rocks and what not.

Yeah, but it looks a hell of a lot better.

 

[Sting]

I guess the Viper's just the kind a car that bites you in the a$$ and doesn't let go.

See, now there is a guy that understands. The Viper and Vette are aimed at two different people, the Vette is a more refined car that has grown from many incarnations and is probably alot more sensible. The Viper always had that kind of brute force badass attitude towards it, and had more daring a design.

Besides, where the Vette says "I'm 50 and enjoying my cash" the Viper only says "I'M NOT VERY SECURE IN MY MANHOOD"...or at least it does in my opinion, I mean cars don't get much more Phallic than that.

How do you figure that? I would say that the mother of all phallic cars would be the Veyron

 

[Poverty]

Whats up with posting pace cars?

If i was 50 id take the viper. The z06 has absolutely no comfort and too much cheap plastic.Stuff you appreciate with the extra wisdom.

 

[Joey D]

Whats up with posting pace cars?

If i was 50 id take the viper. The z06 has absolutely no comfort and too much cheap plastic.Stuff you appreciate with the extra wisdom.

You haven't been in a Z06 have you? Of course you haven't, the interior does have plastic in it but its by no means cheap. Chevy focused on more important things like the engine, suspension, stuff like that rather then the interior. However the interior is still decently done, not the best though, and it's by no means uncomfortable. I used to have to drive them around all day and I was fine.

If you want a comfortable, sofisticated Corvette, buy an XLR.

 

[Poverty]

Thats funny because thetruthaboutcars.com says the plastic is cheap and so did topgear. The interior looks like it came out of a vauxhall corsa. (supermini)

I used to have to drive them around all day and I was fine.

So the guy that made brackets got to drive about in a Z06 all day. The way you worded it its as if you were forced to drive it aswell Anyway this is a super sports car its not going to be comfortable with the suspension setup that it has. Its like saying a porsche GT3 doesnt get uncomfortable.

 

[Joey D]

Thats funny because thetruthaboutcars.com says the plastic is cheap and so did topgear. The interior looks like it came out of a vauxhall corsa. (supermini)

So the guy that made brackets got to drive about in a Z06 all day. The way you worded it its as if you were forced to drive it aswell Anyway this is a super sports car its not going to be comfortable with the suspension setup that it has. Its like saying a porsche GT3 doesnt get uncomfortable.

That truthaboutcars site is full of garbage, they are biased idiots I must say. Top Gear is the same way, you need to get you information for a non biased source...Motor Trend seems to be the best at it followed by Road & Track.

And I was an intern, I got to do fun things as well as work. There were days where I would go out on testing runs where I would indeed be in the Z06 for 8 hours only stoping for gas and lunch. I'm saying the seats were not uncomfortable at all.

 

[Encyclopedia]

I can't say I really like the new Corvette. It's too short for my personal liking, and no, I'm not trying to compensate for something.

 

[Onikaze]

Veyron as a Phallic Replacement?

Nah, The Veyron is a very Phallic Status Symbol.

Vipers don't cost enough to be a Status Symbol.

The ultimate Phallic Replacement though, has to be the H2, which is incidentally the most horribly styled vehicle I have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on (yes, worse than the Aztek) but where the Veyron is technologically impressive, and the Viper is brutally fast, the H2 just says "I have no taste."

Vipers are cool, but it isn't a car I've ever desired to own, or even cared to drive.

It certainly isn't the "Modern Day Cobra" though.

Cobras were harsh and raw because there was nothing you could do about it, 7 liters of engine, stupid amounts of Torque and 1000 kilograms of car means you're lucky the thing didn't twist in half.

Vipers are harsh and raw because they were made to be that way, it isn't like there was no other choice, they just tried to make it a semi-track car in street trim.

If you want a modern cobra, get an old miata, or 3-Series, or RX-7 or something, and stuff a 350, or LS7 into it.

Me, I'll just continue drooling over the bloodcurdling scream of a Z06 after 3000 Rpm.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

Vipers don't cost enough to be a Status Symbol.

??????? uh...what do you consider costly ?

 

[VIPFREAK]

I don't know where the hell you get phallic from... (maybe you guys should look into a mirror) I'm not so much for the new gen Viper but the old RT/10 and GTS are instant classic design. Say what you will but there's a reason it's the ONLY car I've ever liked and kept liking since day one.

 

[niky]

Phallic? For Phallic, you'd have to get an E-Type.

And for anyone who isn't a doctor or a lawyer, the Viper is a status symbol... last I looked, it was still more expensive than an H2. That's why my uncle got one. He traded in a brand new Ram and sold off one of their other cars for one. He's at a point in his life where he doesn't need a work truck or a commuter car, so he chucked them both for the Viper. It's not a cheap car to own, but he's still infatuated with it. Word is, he and his wife play rock paper scissors over who gets it every weekend.

But then, he's the same sort of guy who would get a 'Vette. He only went for the Viper because he was coming up from Dodge trucks, and the looks struck him just so.

I've talked about the dangers of target demographic to the Viper and the Vette in other threads. Right now, their sales are good, because the people who can afford them (mostly in their 50's) love them... they still have the golden fuzz of memory about them, and can remember when "American cars" ruled. That'll probably go on through our generation when we reach fifty, as we'll still remember 70's muscle cars... and we'll still hold that fascination.

But with more and more kids into "imports" nowadays, that support will probably get pretty thin in thirty years' time (that is, if the oil doesn't go first... ). Again, you guys don't count. You're all car fanatics, just like me.

 

[Delirious]

So does anyone like the Mustang pacecar??

 

[Onikaze]

In a world where there are several cars that can breach 200 Mph, hit 60 in the high 3's, with leather interiors and carbon fiber bodies, selling for $250,000 at the low end, and over a million at the high end, a Viper isn't that costly.

True, the E-Type was incredibly Phallic too.

Maybe the thing that gets me about a Viper is the same thing that get's me about SUV's and especially H2's and whatnot...it seems like a lot of overcomensation...to me anyways.

As for myself, I am very excited about my upcoming purchase of a 1991 British Racing Green Special Edition Mazda Miata.

 

[niky]

Both the Viper and Vette are costly by working class standards... and for the average joe, are probably the most expensive cars he can dream of affording. They're just expensive enough to feel like a guilty pleasure, and just cheap enough for most people to not to scoff at the idea.

Take me for example. If I calculated my capital worth by the time I'm fifty, which would be say around 3-4 million dollars (maybe at 1.5-2 mil right now), blowing a fat wad on a Ferrari might not seem like a good idea, but spending much less money and getting a Vette', with its killer performance and its sports car heritage, would actually seem quite reasonable.

$250,000 - $1,000,000 cars are status symbols for basketball players, Talk TV hosts, IT company VPs and rich old geezers. $80,000 muscle cars like the Vette, Viper and the Nissan GTR are status symbols people like you and me can actually aspire for.

But heck, yeah... while I'm still saving up, a Miata to **** around with would be nice.

What were we talking about again? Pace cars?

 

[Onikaze]

I guess it's just me.

I don't look at people with Vettes or Vipers and wish I was them, though I wouldn't turn down the keys.

 

[James2097]

Nice pace car.

 

[McLaren]

You haven't been in a Z06 have you? Of course you haven't, the interior does have plastic in it but its by no means cheap. Chevy focused on more important things like the engine, suspension, stuff like that rather then the interior. However the interior is still decently done, not the best though, and it's by no means uncomfortable. I used to have to drive them around all day and I was fine.

If you want a comfortable, sofisticated Corvette, buy an XLR.

Not for its price tag.

The XLR is for those with too much cash, and even I have heard the Coupe's interior is much nicer than the Z06. It may not be uncomfortable to you b/c your body got situated to seats.

But almost every review I read claimed the Viper had nicer interior and was more driver friendly.

 

[YSSMAN]

I dont know what reviews you were reading, but most people say that the Corvette's interior is much better suited to daily driving.

The Viper still suffers from the side-pipe heating and an overall spartan feel to the interior itself. Ive had seat time in both the SRT-10 convert and C6 Coupe and Convert, and I have to say that the Corvette's interior feels much more plush and much more accomodating when motoring down the road.

Of course, thats not what is important when buying a super car, but when youre spending $70K or $80K on a new car, you obviously have to be able to use it more than just a few days at the track...

Sure, I'm a sucker for a Vette... But in most situations, it is far better suited as a daily driver.

 

[McLaren]

I dont know what reviews you were reading, but most people say that the Corvette's interior is much better suited to daily driving.

The Viper still suffers from the side-pipe heating and an overall spartan feel to the interior itself. Ive had seat time in both the SRT-10 convert and C6 Coupe and Convert, and I have to say that the Corvette's interior feels much more plush and much more accomodating when motoring down the road.

Of course, thats not what is important when buying a super car, but when youre spending $70K or $80K on a new car, you obviously have to be able to use it more than just a few days at the track...

Sure, I'm a sucker for a Vette... But in most situations, it is far better suited as a daily driver.

Hmm....Road & Track, Car and Driver, Automobile....

They all like the Viper's interior because it's more comfortable than the Z06's and that the Viper's driving is more friendly.

....If the Z06 encountered any kind of bump or lump in the pavement as it was exiting a corner, the result was nearly a instantaneous outward snap of the tail. It was so sensitive to bumps that the Vette uncovered lumps in the pavement we never knew were there....

....Once on the track, though, we found the Viper to be as friendly as a yellow Lab - obediant, eager to please - and it would do what you told it to do, without fail.
"Suprisingly easy to drive around the track and very forgivable as the rear end rotates," flip-flopped the guy who had said the Viper made him nervous.
...Sure, the Viper's 1:27.50 lap time was 1.50 seconds slower than the Vette's, but given the choice between the 2 of them on the track, all of us prefered the Viper. We scored the Viper's handling a 10 out of 10, and gave the Z06 a 6...

IMO, the 1st gen. Vipers seemed as straight line suited cars while the Vettes were the track cars, but it appears now, the tables have changed.

But this is a whole 'nother topic.

 

[Poverty]

I dont know what reviews you were reading, but most people say that the Corvette's interior is much better suited to daily driving.

The Viper still suffers from the side-pipe heating and an overall spartan feel to the interior itself. Ive had seat time in both the SRT-10 convert and C6 Coupe and Convert, and I have to say that the Corvette's interior feels much more plush and much more accomodating when motoring down the road.

Of course, thats not what is important when buying a super car, but when youre spending $70K or $80K on a new car, you obviously have to be able to use it more than just a few days at the track...

Sure, I'm a sucker for a Vette... But in most situations, it is far better suited as a daily driver.

The Z06 weighs alot less than a C6.

 

[Onikaze]

Ok, so the Viper was more suited for Track Days than the Z06.

Why does it not surprise me that a car built to be basically a street legal racer is good at track driving?

Still woudn't want to accidentally bump my leg or arm against the doorjams or transmission tunnel after driving a viper in anger.

 

[Joey D]

At one time the Viper was slightly better and I mean slightly better then the Corvette. The accelerations, 1/4's, 0-60's were all close but the Viper bumped the Vette a tad. But with the Z06 paired against a SRT-10, the Z06 wins. There case closed.

 

[iceburns288]

You haven't been in a Z06 have you? Of course you haven't, the interior does have plastic in it but its by no means cheap. Chevy focused on more important things like the engine, suspension, stuff like that rather then the interior. However the interior is still decently done, not the best though, and it's by no means uncomfortable. I used to have to drive them around all day and I was fine.

If you want a comfortable, sofisticated Corvette, buy an XLR.

Yes, yes I have. I hated it. It was cheap, I liked the dials and some parts of it but it did feel very cheap. I hated the shifter, liked the pedals, but REALLY hated the shifter. I'd rather shift my 1964 Studebaker Champ's three-on-the-tree than the Z.

I also hated the seats. They were terribly uncomfortable for me and I tired of them quickly.

 

[Joey D]

Yes, yes I have. I hated it. It was cheap, I liked the dials and some parts of it but it did feel very cheap. I hated the shifter, liked the pedals, but REALLY hated the shifter. I'd rather shift my 1964 Studebaker Champ's three-on-the-tree than the Z.

I also hated the seats. They were terribly uncomfortable for me and I tired of them quickly.

Some how I'm going to doubt you were in a Z06, first off because of the comment about the shifter...unless you haven't driven many sticks before, then I might understand. For someone new to a stick the shifter is a tad harsh, but I had no problem with it what-so-ever.

The seats were great for a really fast car that is meant to be on the track, sure they were no high end butt rest, but decent enough.

The only complaint I have about the Corvette interior is the sound system, I didn't think it performed all that well and the car is clearly made for someone my height and not much taller. If you were tall you couldn't drive it comfortablry.

 

[YSSMAN]

...Unless he was in a previous generation C5 Z06, hes claims are completely without a base as most new C6 Z06s havent even rolled out to the majority of Chevrolet dealers across the country...

I should know, Berger Chevrolet, one of the largest Chevrolet dealers not only in Michigan but in the country hasent had one yet. In Grand Rapids, or even the rest of western Michigan, Berger is usually the only place where you are going to be able to find the higher performance vehicles, espically the Corvette. They were a part of the COPO program back in the late 1960s with the Camaros, and they built their own special eddition Camaros through the late '90s up untill the death of the Camaro in 2002.

Now, I can understand some of the cheap claims in a C5 Z06, but not a C6 Z06... But even then, its better to atelast make your lies sound somewhat true.

 

[Joey D]

The only place I've seen a Z06 on the lot was at a dealer here in southeast Michigan, but then again I live right in GM central.

 

[McLaren]

At one time the Viper was slightly better and I mean slightly better then the Corvette. The accelerations, 1/4's, 0-60's were all close but the Viper bumped the Vette a tad. But with the Z06 paired against a SRT-10, the Z06 wins. There case closed.

Maybe, but the cars are still very equal.

 

[Joey D]

Maybe, but the cars are still very equal.

They are close yes, but when it comes down to it you get slightly better performance out of the Z06 for a lot less money. Not saying the Viper isn't a great, if not sheet awesome car, I'm just saying the Z06 is better in the performance catagory and price.