Custom event: No Mercy Suzuka Pro 600pp - RWD only @ xx:03:18:33:48

[Paulie]

Thanks Synwraith, you were really fast too. By the end there I was getting quite comfortable in that NSX, as evidenced by our close races, still, could have been cleaner.
Sinsemila tells me he had a 2'13.3 in Free Run in that Viper, it's no wonder he's so fast. I can only do low 2'14s in it so far.

FAK_EV1L was just crazy in that Skyline Coupe. I only really met him on track once (early on when I was still getting re-acquainted with the NSX) but I must say I wasn't expecting him to pull away, great job to him.👍

 

[Chronos]

Great write up Syn.

I didn't know how long you guys wait for after pulling over at the starts having not read the first page here so I just tried to wait till you guys set off and join the pack or stay over to the side.

 

[Synwraith]

Great write up Syn.

I didn't know how long you guys wait for after pulling over at the starts having not read the first page here so I just tried to wait till you guys set off and join the pack or stay over to the side.

20 seconds in your original gridslot

All the best
Maz

 

[Hyper-Dan]

Anyone still there?

 

[Paulie]

Anyone still there?

If you had posted that 10mins earlier I would have done the xx:03 race with you, if I do the xx:18 race I will miss the beginning of Rove (Popular comedy talk show) so I can't really.

 

[Hyper-Dan]

If you had posted that 10mins earlier I would have done the xx:03 race with you, if I do the xx:18 race I will miss the beginning of Rove (Popular comedy talk show) so I can't really.

No prob man, I will join @ XX:33 anyway.

 

[AutoAki]

D4mn hosts! Since long time I again meet Racer_LP, and get some good battle.

Lets hope Racer, that next start we can drive till end.

Why cant lower PP's start from back of the pack!!! I hate to create confusion at start.


EDIT: Same thing again... now some Russian guy hosting, and driving with 530PP, or something like that. I did not even know they have so fast lines that they can host.

 

[Hyper-Dan]

What annoys me is people driving 650pp cars and holding you up, even after we give them 20 second head start.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Ok, bare with me. Long speech coming.

I think we can all agree that the PP system is less than perfect. And it will probably always be, since it's very hard to level the field, even in real life. However, there is one thing that can be done in these events since they are all in one single track, and that's to adapt the PP level of every car to each track.

We all saw in the old 430/GTR/Vette HSR event that the cars were almost even. But in Suzuka, the Vette's handicap on acceleration to compensate top speed takes it out of the running. And so it happens to other cars as the M3 and the Viper. Other nimble and light cars are also heavily handicapped making them unusable, like the Lotuses.

Also, the reason to drop the PP to 600 was to allow other cars in, which is not really happening, and this is becoming a 430/NSX duel.

So, taking Paulie's suggestion, and with the aid of his tuning, I would like to change this event to "No Mercy Suzuka RWD only" dropping the 600, and publish on the first post a list of which cars can compete with which PP, starting with:
- the Vette, the Viper and the M3 @612,
- the Skyline/350Z tuned @605(?)
- the lotuses ?
- the TVR's ?
- the RX7 ?
- the RX8 ?
- the IS-F ?
- ...

All remaining and non listed RWD that we do not suggest or can't agree on it's PP will be kept at 600PP.

For that I need your help today in 2 ways:

a) state if you agree or not.
b) suggest cars and PP level.

This is a request for those who are running on this event, and for those who do not because they would like to come in with a different car and be competitive.

Please restrain from requesting the change to include FWD and/or AWD cars, as 90% of people want this RWD only, and it shall stay like that.

I'll also do some testing of my one and if there is enough to go on at the end of the day, I'll change the post/topic to the new rules and post the car list by tonight.

PLEASE NOTE: This is becoming a very popular event as it is, and is for me the only to race in these days. The point here is to make an even more broad choice of cars available. But if we see these changes can or will ruin it in any way, we'll drop them the next day.

Hope to hear (read) from you guys!

 

[Hyper-Dan]

Hmnn, be interesting to see how this works out, I will agree with the majority in any case. You still won't get me out of that F430.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Hmnn, be interesting to see how this works out, I will agree with the majority in any case. You still won't get me out of that F430.

Let's see... I'm working on the DB9

 

[AutoAki]

I agree with you very much Burnout.

In my mind it wont make this too complicated, and I would like to have more competitive carchoices than now.

Even I dont care so much about winning, I see myself picking most competitive cars always, cause I want to race equal with others. I've tried some others too, but my racing-nature frustrates me that way, so after few races I'm back in 430 or NSX.

You should also check if lowering PP's of some cars like 430 and NSX, could bring some new car possibilities too.

 

[Hyper-Dan]

You should also check if lowering PP's of some cars like 430 and NSX, could bring some new car possibilities too.

Oh no, No need for that is there.

Sorry for my driving in the last race, It went from bad to worse. Damn idiots in GTR's and Mine's keep getting in the way. Once I lost my rhythm, it was all over, mistake after mistake.

Having a break for a bit. 👍

 

[AutoAki]

Oh no, No need for that is there.

Sorry for my driving in the last race, It went from bad to worse. Damn idiots in GTR's and Mine's keep getting in the way.

Having a break for a bit. 👍

Ideal would be that we dont take caught that main group of those GTR's and Mines. If our laptimes would drop 4-8 seconds more, we may could race more with ourselves, and racing quality will get better too, cause easier carhandling.

That fifth lap is now quite useless cause it ends before finishline. If we lower our laptimes, we could keep fourth lap as last lap. Winner could be first making sandcakes after mainstraight. Then there would be possibility to do last pass end of the straight...?

 

[Wardy 944]

One make race :runsandhides:

 

[Racer_LP]

Oh no, No need for that is there.

Sorry for my driving in the last race, It went from bad to worse. Damn idiots in GTR's and Mine's keep getting in the way.

Having a break for a bit. 👍

I still had to push to keep up with you, which is causing me to make lots of mistakes and loose even more time But I still had fun anyway, good driving by AutoAki aswell 👍

Having a break aswell now. Lunch will be ready soon and after lunch I'll probably go back to Fuji to practice some more for the GTP event

 

[Hyper-Dan]

Ideal would be that we dont take caught that main group of those GTR's and Mines. If our laptimes would drop 4-8 seconds more, we may could race more with ourselves, and racing quality will get better too, cause easier carhandling.

That fifth lap is now quite useless cause it ends before finishline. If we lower our laptimes, we could keep fourth lap as last lap. Winner could be first making sandcakes after mainstraight. Then there would be possibility to do last pass end of the straight...?

Who want's that?

Not always the case, some times it is possibile a lot of the time to finish the race. 👍

One make race :runsandhides:

 

[AutoAki]

Who want's that?

Not always the case, some times it is possibile a lot of the time to finish the race. 👍

Heh... not everyone handle that car so smooth like you.

If you can see resultpage, it only means there have been very poor drivers those 650pp guys... which means very many of those GTR's and Mines to pass on lap 4 and 5.

 

[JPS]

nice idea, good idea, i think most would be happy, if the not so popular could become a little more competitive, the problem is peoples differing ability.
I'll give it a go though, i'll chuck my air freshner out the window gaining that extra 5 pp for the 350Z and see if i can stay closer to the likes of the 430's, NSX's, Vipers etc etc etc etc

EDIT, yellow 430's minus 25-50pp...please

 

[Hyper-Dan]

nice idea, good idea, i think most would be happy, if the not so popular could become a little more competitive, the problem is peoples differing ability.
I'll give it a go though, i'll chuck my air freshner out the window gaining that extra 5 pp for the 350Z and see if i can stay closer to the likes of the 430's, NSX's, Vipers etc etc etc etc

EDIT, yellow 430's minus 25-50pp...please

He he,

 

[AutoAki]

I'm gonna give to Lexus some free-run with few extra PP's. That is one car which I'd like to see being competitive too... same goes to some older Skylines. What a beatiful car, but so slippery with PP's over 600.


Edit: Burnout... is it possible to send PM about PP suggestions when I've tested Lexus... or do you wanna do this by yourself?

 

[JPS]

He he,

your too good Dan, i reckon if we did as a test your 430 dropped by 10-15pp you would still be competitive, where as some people could probably add pp to the 430 and never come first, i think thats what will happen with the adding pp, even then some of those un used cars will only become used by those who know how to drive them well in the first place

EDIT 'll give the 350 a try with the extra pp any minute now

 

[hornet_burnout]

I do not think we should mess with the current 2 favirites or we may ruin everything. Except if the 430 is yellow. That has to get a 25pp handicap at least! LOL

 

[JPS]

I do not think we should mess with the current 2 favirites or we may ruin everything. Except if the 430 is yellow. That has to get a 25pp handicap at least! LOL

yes i was not saying drop cars pp, it was a joke...obviously apart from Dan's yellow 430, or any other colour he decided to swap to

 

[hornet_burnout]

I'm gonna give to Lexus some free-run with few extra PP's. That is one car which I'd like to see being competitive too... same goes to some older Skylines. What a beatiful car, but so slippery with PP's over 600.


Edit: Burnout... is it possible to send PM about PP suggestions when I've tested Lexus... or do you wanna do this by yourself?

Etheir post here or PM me, it's all good.

 

[AutoAki]

I do not think we should mess with the current 2 favirites or we may ruin everything. Except if the 430 is yellow. That has to get a 25pp handicap at least! LOL

I'm just afraid that some cars will come faster on straights yes... but does it help their cornering and accelerating out of curves? It may cause not so liked situations.

Lowering 'some' cars PP, would take time away from those littlebit there, and littlebit there. Same time other choices will not change so radically, and handling of some of them do not go too hard.

 

[hornet_burnout]

yes i was not saying drop cars pp, it was a joke...obviously apart from Dan's yellow 430, or any other colour he decided to swap to

His and Mr_Volcano (sorry mates, you're too fast! )

@Autoaki I'm considering that option more, since I can't make the DB9 any faster now, regardless of how much power I add for instance. And that happens with the TVR's also. They just can't use the extra power... Or maybe it's me. I'm not good at this track anyway.


Anyone wanna try it? Best I did was 2.18.9xx

Aston MArtin DB9 (615pp)
Power +12
Weight 85%

Height -15 / -12
Spring 8 / 3
Damper 8 / 8
Toe -0.05 / +0.35
Camber 0.8 / 3.2
Brake 5 / 6

Turning 45
TCS off
ABS 1

Gears
1st 2.328
2nd 1.596
3rd 1.186
4th 0.900
5th 0.696
6th 0.600 (not used...)
Final 4.754

A wheel (and most importantly, a throttle pedal) may take 3 seconds out of this easily.

 

[AutoAki]

@Autoaki I'm considering that option more, since I can't make the DB9 any faster now, regardless of how much power I add for instance. And that happens with the TVR's also. They just can't use the extra power... Or maybe it's me. I'm not good at this track anyway.

That's just what I was assuming. I'm gonna test it to get you more feedback for that theory. We need to remember those S2-tyres. There is ultimate-point of grip, and cars construction. Some cars just are better, and extra HP's dont change others to being faster.

Just like some Porsche's can be faster than some cars which have 150hp more. It's not always that cubic-inches matters.

 

[Paulie]

Ok, bare with me. Long speech coming.
Long speech
[/U]Hope to hear (read) from you guys!

So is the aim to even up acceleration or lap times? I will start testing tomorrow afternoon. We must be careful, because a car is undriveable doesn't make it slow as a skilled driver could take it fast. I think that any and all cars should not drop below 600 PP, and the rest of the cars should try and play a little bit of catch up to the NSX and F430.

Not always the case, some times it is possibile a lot of the time to finish the race. 👍

It was only this afternoon I seen the 1st race ever that none of us finished.

Etheir post here or PM me, it's all good.

I will PM you with cars as I go.

@Autoaki I'm considering that option more, since I can't make the DB9 any faster now, regardless of how much power I add for instance. And that happens with the TVR's also. They just can't use the extra power... Or maybe it's me. I'm not good at this track anyway.


Anyone wanna try it? Best I did was 2.18.9xx

Aston MArtin DB9 (615pp)
A wheel (and most importantly, a throttle pedal) may take 3 seconds out of this easily.

That's what I considered. Take the NSX for example, it actually gets slower if you increase the PP any further. At 650 PP it's such a wild animal it just becomes slow. If a car is starting to get wild to control and isn't getting faster then there is no point in giving it extra PP.
BTW, I achieved 2'15.0 with a 600 PP DB9 just this arvo, that wheel does help.

 

[GTP_rpm]

I'll be on in about an hour in the ever slowing F430

Caio.