DIRTY ENDURANCE RACING LEAGUE (DERL)
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Can we bring back stock car races (not NASCAR, but pick 1 car and do a one make race with it with no tuning allowed except oil change, tires, paint, and car number)??
ERAUfan97
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So the suggestions of mine that JK has ignored are
Italy 4WD - we have done a Lamborghini 4WD but this race would include Alfas and Lancias or we could do just race cars which would leave 3 options
Alfa FR - if we think the 8C or Stradale would be dominant at a low pp compared to the other cars then we could do Alfa FR 60's (3 street, 1 race)
What does everyone think of these
Italy 4WD - we have done a Lamborghini 4WD but this race would include Alfas and Lancias or we could do just race cars which would leave 3 options
Alfa FR - if we think the 8C or Stradale would be dominant at a low pp compared to the other cars then we could do Alfa FR 60's (3 street, 1 race)
What does everyone think of these
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I think the races are getting too specific. it seems like half of the races turn into one makes lately.
I still say we do Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 450 – 525pp STREET. i know it was done way back in season 2, but I didn't race it. and when we did it in 7, it was with a HP and weight restriction and on a dirt track.
Also 420pp FF USA no Focus RS. We did USA FF @ 475pp, but that was 192 races ago
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I wanna do a nascar race at trial mountain.
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Yes,
Looking at season 8 alone.
Week 1: GT by citroen one make
Zonda race turned into a c12 one make
Week 2: Option stream Z one make
Week 3: HSV one make
R8 LMS (basically a one make w/ different livery)
Week 4: Nascar, same as above
Week 5: M3 one make
Week 6: AE86 one make
Tomahawk one make
Week 7: FT-1 one make
Week 8: 370RR German turned into a one make Karmann Ghia
Week 9: 240 Volvo one make
Week 10: BMW 2002 one make.
I'm fine with one now and then, like maybe one every other week, but we did 13 out of 40, and the 05+ BMW, the 510pp Italy, the Amuse race, the LMP race clearly had one car that was dominant even though not everyone chose to use it.
I get trying not to replicate races, but some that have a ton of diversity in car choices or PP can be run again and have very different results. Unlike the doo doo re-running of the 240 estate wagon.
I personally would rather have a little more diversity in car choice that have to pick from 2-7 cars that we have not used, with 3-4 of them most likely being junk, that makes it a race between 2-4 cars with mostly everyone switching to whatever car you R or JK run the fast lap in practice with.
This isn't NASCAR, we've been getting tighter and tighter regulations which takes more and more emphasis off of car selection and tuning and places it on driver ability, which is fine if you've got a wheel and unlimited time to play/practice or are naturally much better than most. ie: JK, you, R.
For the rest of us marginal players, it takes away more and more of our ability for an upset and throws it out the window when we are placed in a one make or one make type race against you 3
I guess my point is that I would rather races w/ lighter regulation and more cars to choose from than highly regulated races w/ just a few cars
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One race that quick matches have shown to give a fair chance to a lot of cars is 350 pp no FF or MR. Those races had many competitive cars and none were over the top fast (I liked using a Ram and was able to win some with it).
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Cali I try to give everyone a fair chance but it isn't easy. I sometimes pick races with 15-20 cars and it ends up being a 1 or 2 car race. Its hard to know how good each car will be just looking at the stock stats and the track vote can also mess that up.
Ive said this plenty of times if you give me good ideas ill look into them. Just giving me a brand for example makes it more difficult to figure out where the PP should be.
Races for week 1
550pp Spykers trial mtn (sorry but I already decided on this one and I did win the night last week)
STREET 400HP 1400KG 4WD 90s Japan track vote
STREET 210HP 1100KG 90s FF Japan track vote
410pp FF Fiat track vote (fiat branded only no Abarth)
Ive said this plenty of times if you give me good ideas ill look into them. Just giving me a brand for example makes it more difficult to figure out where the PP should be.
Races for week 1
550pp Spykers trial mtn (sorry but I already decided on this one and I did win the night last week)
STREET 400HP 1400KG 4WD 90s Japan track vote
STREET 210HP 1100KG 90s FF Japan track vote
410pp FF Fiat track vote (fiat branded only no Abarth)
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YEA!
, another Fiat race. Somebody kill me.
We do, every week.
setting the regulations so a car/cars are de-tuned 50pp is not giving everyone a chance to win
I have literally NEVER done that.
You keep saying, "it's too hard to regulate" over and over again. Just stop regulating it so tightly then. go back and look at seasons 1-4 at some of the more open races there, they can easily be slightly modified and/or have concept/protos removed and be fun totally different races.
ie: FRS/BRZ/86 was run at 475pp. bump the PP up a little and pull the 86 concept and you have good race.
Mitsubishi Lancer Evos were run @ "stock" and w/ HP and weight restriction on dirt. Pick a pp and run them on the street
The Mercedes brand race was run @ 500pp. crank it up to 550+ and it becomes a new race.
The NSX street race was at 505pp, crank it up and pull the proto/concept
All 3 Chevy races were corvettes. how about a Chevy, non-corvette race
The USA FF race was 475pp, turn it down to 420pp no Focus RS and it's a new race
A full body (no open cockpit) race car race @ 625pp. we did a few in the 500s and some with weight/HP restriction. 625pp race has a bunch of competitive cars. You could even take out the z4 if you think it will be the easy car of choice.
We could do another set PP night like we did @ 400PP, but at 500, 525 or 550. Winner of the previous week gets first race and the other three are 525 FF, 525MR, 5254wd. STREET CARS only, no rally, no proto, no concept.
I could go on and on but why bother. We suggest, you don't listen, so we stop suggesting. This is where we're at.
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ER gives me races with no pp. maybe I don't pick races cause they don't look interesting. The reason why we do a lot of single car races is cause there's only so many brand/country/drivetrain/ year races. If you wanna pick the races next you can and see how easy it is to come up with 4 that end up being good. It took me half an hour last night to look through the different combinations to find 3 others that looked ok. And I think we did a fiat/ abarth race and everyone was in the abarth 500 without that it could open up a little. I say races are hard to regulate if it's something like your idea for close top race cars or something very specific. If it's a year range it's a little easier cause I can just say the range and it's hard to argue.
Also if the race is hard for people to get their head around the regulations it's a pain in the you know what for me cause I need to tune as well and if every 5 mins I've gotta yell at people cause they're in the wrong car it gets really frustrating. And then they will likely leave cause I've told them the 2 or 3 cars they got in aren't allowed. The more specific car cars could work if everyone is on the same page but even regulars don't bother to listen to the regs then I get yelled at when I look on here pretty regularly and I'm usually on my PS3 at least once during the week. People seem to be way more discouraged by a race with regs that are hard to follow even if it specific but easy to understand they'll be less likely to leave.
Also if the race is hard for people to get their head around the regulations it's a pain in the you know what for me cause I need to tune as well and if every 5 mins I've gotta yell at people cause they're in the wrong car it gets really frustrating. And then they will likely leave cause I've told them the 2 or 3 cars they got in aren't allowed. The more specific car cars could work if everyone is on the same page but even regulars don't bother to listen to the regs then I get yelled at when I look on here pretty regularly and I'm usually on my PS3 at least once during the week. People seem to be way more discouraged by a race with regs that are hard to follow even if it specific but easy to understand they'll be less likely to leave.
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I'm not saying I want to pick the races, but I will if you want me to. We make suggestions so you don't have to spend the time on it, but you don't use them. If you have the previous winner's race (1), you find one (2), take one of mine or KZ's or Barrett's (3) and one of ER's (4) that's the whole night taken care of and you only had to pick one race. sounds easy peasy to me. I know this may not be applicable to all weeks, but a majority of them.
I agree.
That's my entire point.
Stop being so concerned about using cars we never have used and dial back the regulations and more cars will fit.
One "open" race per week like a 440PP FF race or a 550PP 4wd race would be easy to regulate and easy to pick without doing too much homework. Then you only need to find one or two specific races.
I think the night be did the same PP w/ different drivetrains went well for how many cars fit into those groups:
Race 2, 8 drivers, 8 cars
Race 3, 9 drivers, 7 cars
Race 4, 7 drivers, 5 cars (this was an RR race)
and if R's race wasn't a one make, we wouldn't have had one that week.
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This is going to take a while to read.
Look I'm just trying to suggest new races with cars weve never used so we can experience them. Using the same cars seems boring to me especially since we've done 5 NASCAR races.
Won't everyone just use the Fiat 500 instead of the abarth
Look I'm just trying to suggest new races with cars weve never used so we can experience them. Using the same cars seems boring to me especially since we've done 5 NASCAR races.
Won't everyone just use the Fiat 500 instead of the abarth
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I'll probably use the panda and I think the barchetta is pretty good.
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How is it that me and cards haven't been racing in awhile, yet there is still a lot of complaining?
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I'm about trying to do some of this too, just not every single race. I'm suggesting we continue to try new/unused cars in races as well as re-cycle/revamp some of the previously done fun races w/ new PPs so that it's easier for JK to not only get the races posted, but also so he has less time to spend trying to explore our potential ideas and possible problems with them.
ie:
Race 1: Previous winners pick
Race 2: New, never before seen race
Race 3: Oldy but goodie with a revised PP/ track, etc.. Maybe add weather or some other touch to spice it up.
Race 4: "open" race with little restriction like just PP and drivetrain, or PP and country or PP street (in the newly agreed upon term of street) or PP race
You guys know I'm going to come race, regardless of the race selection, and as usual, I'll surely find something to bitch about. I think you guys know by now that that's just my personality and most of it is said in jest and should be taken lightly. I can't imagine any of you taking the things I say on race night very seriously. Outside of trying to get JK to be quiet for more than 30 seconds at a time.
I need something to complain about. No one is preventing you from racing. Come race and I'm sure I'll be able to find something you do to bitch about.
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JK doesnt post on Monday because he takes hours to find races. He's just lazy and procrastinatesI'm about trying to do some of this too, just not every single race. I'm suggesting we continue to try new/unused cars in races as well as re-cycle/revamp some of the previously done fun races w/ new PPs so that it's easier for JK to not only get the races posted, but also so he has less time to spend trying to explore our potential ideas and possible problems with them.
ie:
Race 1: Previous winners pick
Race 2: New, never before seen race
Race 3: Oldy but goodie with a revised PP/ track, etc.. Maybe add weather or some other touch to spice it up.
Race 4: "open" race with little restriction like just PP and drivetrain, or PP and country or PP street (in the newly agreed upon term of street) or PP race
You guys know I'm going to come race, regardless of the race selection, and as usual, I'll surely find something to bitch about. I think you guys know by now that that's just my personality and most of it is said in jest and should be taken lightly. I can't imagine any of you taking the things I say on race night very seriously. Outside of trying to get JK to be quiet for more than 30 seconds at a time.
I need something to complain about. No one is preventing you from racing. Come race and I'm sure I'll be able to find something you do to bitch about.
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So what are the odds your friend is more into need for speed type games so he'll just say it's crap if it's really simy.
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ERAUfan97
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I don't see what that has to do with our races but he doesn't play racing games
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