Dive bomber causes 10 second penalty

[banckzy]

It is a forum, and one you agreed to the rules of when you joined.

Worked out why - and how - my SR history looks like it does yet?

Well I sincerely apologise for my misuse of capital letters and one I shall endeavour to improve on in the future. Nope still havent worked it out, thought you'd have a sub account for testing or whatever it is that you do. Looks like you did no testing for 25 days then all of a sudden decided it was time to get testing? Please elaborate?

Not looking at radar?

My initial thought to be honest

 

[philipPF]

TheGeologist I understand your frustration, and a big +1 for having option for the same mirror in hood cam / chase cam that on the bumper cam. I'm forced to use bumper to have the mirror, I would prefer hood cam like you do (better motor sound balance to my taste, good visualisation of the track, etc...)

 

[vvise]

it wasn't deserving 10s but the gt sport logic for determining that is pretty simple. it's not great but it usually does a good job, the problem is that it's very easy to remember when it doesn't work correctly.

if (contact)
...if (opponent car is ahead and both braking)
......sr down
......if (opponent car goes off track)
.........10s penalty
......end if
...end if
end if

 

[ItIsOkBro]

We've all been there, I've gotten 10 second penalties for driving in a straight line.

 

[Sloppy Shades]

The world is round by the way. Just put that in here to save starting a new thread about it.

 

[Robben]

Not looking at radar?

 

[JacksHerer]

We've all been there, I've gotten 10 second penalties for driving in a straight line.

They are called chicanes for a reason

 

[Famine]

Nope still havent worked it out

That's a pity, as I already explained it.

Looks like you did no testing for 25 days then all of a sudden decided it was time to get testing? Please elaborate?

Ah, so you've spotted that my SR went up to 99 and stayed there for the first three weeks (and 52 races).

Did you notice that after that I purposefully manipulated my DR downwards (to race 79), then my SR (to race 98), then studied the effects of low values for both (to race 109) then worked my DR back up while keeping my SR low (twice, to races 111 and 123), and back down again (to races 116 and 127), then worked my SR up while keeping my DR low (to race 136), and back down again (to race 144), then moved up through DR points but not levels to study the capping effect of SR (to race 178 for SR D, and race 189 for SR C) , then relieved the cap to allow DR to level up, then plunged SR to study the DR point reset phenomenon (to race 201 and 227), then crawled SR and DR back up together over the last 24 races? Yes, this is all in a spreadsheet.

The history shows two things. My SR and DR scores are quite clearly being manipulated on purpose - for the reason I explained earlier - and my SR reached 99 without any effort when the game came out. Importantly, having an SR of 99 doesn't mean I'm some kind of deity of racing ethics any more than having an SR of 55 (currently 59, actually) means I have no idea about racing ethics. I also got the 15 consecutive clean race Achievement, which is also meaningless.

Bringing up my current SR as some indicator of my knowledge of racing ethics is without any merit - as it probably would be for anyone's, given the nature of the SR system.

, thought you'd have a sub account for testing or whatever it is that you do.

Actually the initial conditions were also a test. On my main account I ran as normal. On one subaccount I drove slowly and badly, observing the five-race probationary period (the game automatically awards 2,000pt, even if you finish last for five races, and a D ranking), and the reservation of the E ranking for that period.

We've already done our SR article, but we have a DR one coming soon. Ish. That means I'm nearly finished with having to get reasonably specific race results and can restore my values to normal in time for the real FIA Championship. Which I expect to suck at.

 

[ASH32]

We've all been there, I've gotten 10 second penalties for driving in a straight line.

They are called chicanes for a reason

I once got one just before braking for the chicane at Nurb GP. The guy a few cars in front of me cut it completely, went over the grass, I can only assume I got his penalty as he finished the race fine without penalty as far as I could tell (was before the dots so a long time ago now) and I lost places trying to get rid of it.

 

[banckzy]

That's a pity, as I already explained it.

Ah, so you've spotted that my SR went up to 99 and stayed there for the first three weeks (and 52 races).

Did you notice that after that I purposefully manipulated my DR downwards (to race 79), then my SR (to race 98), then studied the effects of low values for both (to race 109) then worked my DR back up while keeping my SR low (twice, to races 111 and 123), and back down again (to races 116 and 127), then worked my SR up while keeping my DR low (to race 136), and back down again (to race 144), then moved up through DR points but not levels to study the capping effect of SR (to race 178 for SR D, and race 189 for SR C) , then relieved the cap to allow DR to level up, then plunged SR to study the DR point reset phenomenon (to race 201 and 227), then crawled SR and DR back up together over the last 24 races? Yes, this is all in a spreadsheet.

The history shows two things. My SR and DR scores are quite clearly being manipulated on purpose - for the reason I explained earlier - and my SR reached 99 without any effort when the game came out. Importantly, having an SR of 99 doesn't mean I'm some kind of deity of racing ethics any more than having an SR of 55 (currently 59, actually) means I have no idea about racing ethics. I also got the 15 consecutive clean race Achievement, which is also meaningless.

Bringing up my current SR as some indicator of my knowledge of racing ethics is without any merit - as it probably would be for anyone's, given the nature of the SR system.

Actually the initial conditions were also a test. On my main account I ran as normal. On one subaccount I drove slowly and badly, observing the five-race probationary period (the game automatically awards 2,000pt, even if you finish last for five races, and a D ranking), and the reservation of the E ranking for that period.

We've already done our SR article, but we have a DR one coming soon. Ish.

That's all it needed, some explanation.

Didn't see any earlier posts or article where you had explained your DR/SR or your testing. Somebody like me who hasn't been on here that long may not have seen this on the date of release. The article you kindly linked is written by somebody else, so I had no means of knowing that was/is linked to you in any way.

 

[cleanLX]

I find it amusing that we have graduated to "you should use radar/mirror to get out of his way"...
OP had turned in long before contact was made...
It is unfortunate that we do indeed need to watch for this, because, even more unfortunately... the game is not educating (penalizing) the offenders.
I would have a very hard time turning in, and watching the radar simultaneously.
I do like the mirror that bumper-cam provides, because, when these things happen that particular mirror is large enough to register in your peripheral vision, and makes you aware... sometimes you can avoid... others... not so much.
The problem is, again, that we are resorting to "getting out of the way"... should not have top be like this.

 

[Famine]

I find it amusing that we have graduated to "you should use radar/mirror to get out of his way"...

Nobody's said that, and it's not really a graduation.

The advice to be aware of your surroundings and to watch out for other drivers who may be dirty is contained within the Racing Etiquette videos. So it's right there from the start.

The advice in this thread is that doing just that would have meant the driver taking the divebomb would have taken himself out and not left @TheGeologist at the mercy of the penalty system.


It's not a case of getting out of someone else's way, but not putting yourself into it.

 

[TheGeologist]

I just do not understand why the hood cam can't have a rear view mirror.

Isn't it because Kaz supposedly said that camera is too easy? (I think I read that on this website). That is a silly reason not to include it, and a personal opinion...

 

[MikeTheHockeyFan]

Sorry to see that incident happen, @TheGeologist.

My only advice would be to not cede that inside line if there are two trailing cars so close.

Leaving a car width on the inside is an invitation to both good and bad drivers. A good driver might have gotten alongside you with good braking, but in this case we see a bad driver go for the gap and out brake themselves.

 

[ASH32]

I just do not understand why the hood cam can't have a rear view mirror.

Isn't it because Kaz supposedly said that camera is too easy? (I think I read that on this website). That is a silly reason not to include it, and a personal opinion...

Yes but surely they should just accept that it's needed to help clean racing, especially with this online focus. Just another odd decision with this game, like the inclusion of Rally.

 

[cleanLX]

Nobody's said that, and it's not really a graduation.

The advice to be aware of your surroundings and to watch out for other drivers who may be dirty is contained within the Racing Etiquette videos. So it's right there from the start.

The advice in this thread is that doing just that would have meant the driver taking the divebomb would have taken himself out and not left @TheGeologist at the mercy of the penalty system.


It's not a case of getting out of someone else's way, but not putting yourself into it.

I appreciate your clarification.
"Graduation" was meant to be in sarcasm... yep, I know, a message forum cannot convey tone, so, my bad.
I agree we need to be aware of our surroundings, but... semantics...
OP turned in before the offender was along side, only way out at that point is changing your line to avoid contact... aka get out of the way...
We can argue either side, in the end my point is the game fails to penalize the dive-bomber in this situation, and, many other situations(dive-bombs) similar to it.

I do believe with the big mirror he would likely have seen it coming... not so sure radar would help as the car appears on radar during the same elapsed second as turning in, pretty sure eyes are on turn in point and apex, not a little radar... Not to say anyone is right or wrong, but, "I" think both must be utilized to race successfully online.

 

[Famine]

We can argue either side, in the end my point is the game fails to penalize the dive-bomber in this situation, and, many other situations(dive-bombs) similar to it.

I'm not that bothered about the penalty system, really. I mean, it's pretty arbitrary, but honestly no worse than many penalties given - or not given - on any real racing track.

The best way to avoid getting hit by penalties is to avoid contact and for all the "makes you look bad" jokes about the Racing Etiquette videos, the message they convey is pretty easy to follow. Don't drive into people, and be situationally aware in case they might drive into you.

With a couple of seconds to watch the guy optimistically spearing at the apex, there's plenty of time to open the steering a bit and take a wider entry. Then you both avoid him and any questions about how dumb the penalty system is, because no contact happens.

 

[Koutch_Pro]

I don't mean to create one of those threads, but this one triggered me.

Keep an eye on my radar. Someone dive bombs the guy behind me and doesn't make it resulting in me having to serve a 10 second penalty on the final lap of the race.

I like the penalty system in general, I think it has been fair. It can never be perfect, but that doesn't stop the frustration from events like this. I don't know how the game got this one wrong...

Auw.... that indeed hurts. This form of penalties really gets you in you're sence of (un)justice. I had a few similar penanalties whilst avoiding trouble getting set up by others. It left me in total fury because it was just not right and unlogical, like getting a ticket from a cop because the sun is shining (for example). The cherry on the pie would have been a sr drop when that guy hit you in the back while you were driving slowly to get rid of the 10 secs.

Why and how this whole algoritm works and how it can be altered is only up to PD to answer, for us it is just "Thank you all for you're imput, but deal with it"

I can understand that you couldn't react annymore to avoid it, because you can't expect in every corner that you will be torpedoed by someone / victim from a punt/shove.
I would also looked back like you did, check radar, focus on brake / corner entry, be surprised by the flying car on the inside.

 

[HydroSqueegee]

I accidently side swiped a guy last night and he went off the track. Barely touched him and I got 10 seconds.

Then the next race i started 4th. Guy behind me spun me out in the first turn taking me down quite a few places. No penalty for him. Fought back up to 4th and was gaining on 3rd. We come around the final turn. He's wide, I take the inside then he cuts over in front of me as I'm braking into the apex. Of course this punts him off the track, but I get no penalty. Ended up 3rd and the guy called me out in chat.

Sometimes it works against you, sometimes it works for you.

 

[polizei]

I just do not understand why the hood cam can't have a rear view mirror.

Isn't it because Kaz supposedly said that camera is too easy? (I think I read that on this website). That is a silly reason not to include it, and a personal opinion...

i'd say it's somewhat hypocritical to say the mirror is "too easy" and then allow CSA and other aids in sport mode. Imo, give them all or nothing. I'd rather everyone have the option of a mirror for better situational awareness than the too-tight-to-be-useful radar. I could care less what view others are using, i don't think it's going to make my race any better/worse.

 

[cleanLX]

I'm not that bothered about the penalty system, really. I mean, it's pretty arbitrary, but honestly no worse than many penalties given - or not given - on any real racing track.

The best way to avoid getting hit by penalties is to avoid contact and for all the "makes you look bad" jokes about the Racing Etiquette videos, the message they convey is pretty easy to follow. Don't drive into people, and be situationally aware in case they might drive into you.

With a couple of seconds to watch the guy optimistically spearing at the apex, there's plenty of time to open the steering a bit and take a wider entry. Then you both avoid him and any questions about how dumb the penalty system is, because no contact happens.

Advice/Logic taken/appreciated.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I got 14 points deduction on Monza last race.

Started in pole, Porsche passed me at the start which is fine. We slow down for the chicane, and then the pile up starts. I get punted around, people taking the shortcut bashing cars, punted out at the next corner again, into 15th place with a time penalty when the smoke clears. Then I drive a clean race regaining 4th in the end.

Now tell me, how should I get out of the way, starting in pole with 15 cars behind me that don't know where to brake I would be better off deleting my qualifying time and simply starting last in the first place.

I'm addicted to speed though, so not giving up on the challenge. A clean race on Monza is theoretically possible. (Already had some myself yet the rooms were still 90% red)

 

[polizei]

I got 14 points deduction on Monza last race.

Started in pole, Porsche passed me at the start which is fine. We slow down for the chicane, and then the pile up starts. I get punted around, people taking the shortcut bashing cars, punted out at the next corner again, into 15th place with a time penalty when the smoke clears. Then I drive a clean race regaining 4th in the end.

Now tell me, how should I get out of the way, starting in pole with 15 cars behind me that don't know where to brake I would be better off deleting my qualifying time and simply starting last in the first place.

I'm addicted to speed though, so not giving up on the challenge. A clean race on Monza is theoretically possible. (Already had some myself yet the rooms were still 90% red)

i hate having pole for this very reason. You have a clear track, you can brake on your usual mark, others can't and you will be the victim of their mistake. Too many people try to win the race on the first corner.

 

[Rage0329]

I just do not understand why the hood cam can't have a rear view mirror.

Isn't it because Kaz supposedly said that camera is too easy? (I think I read that on this website). That is a silly reason not to include it, and a personal opinion...

Well technically it's hood view. You're way in front of the mirrors, any mirrors. Kaz would say you should probably be in car view then.

Although at that point I'd want VR so I can check my mirrors myself.

 

[philipPF]

Well technically it's hood view. You're way in front of the mirrors, any mirrors. Kaz would say you should probably be in car view then.

Although at that point I'd want VR so I can check my mirrors myself.

Same for VR haha best way to use mirror (maybe with a finest resolution though)

But I disagree, bumper cam has this great virtual mirror, but we can't say that there is any mirror in front of the bumper in real life. We just want the same virtual mirror in hood that in bumper cam (it should just be an option ON/OFF and be effective for every view, as no mirror + online driving is a no go, at least for my at my little level)

Anyway, not very usefull to complain about that I guess, the best thing is to use bumper with mirrors + radar