DLC is ruining content of games

[xNeroZero]

I come to this site to see about updates to GT5, and every time I see an announcement for DLC. People go crazy for and buy it blindly with out even thinking. The thing that gets me the most is this recent update they're coming out with, and people are talking about what should be in the game via a DLC? What is that? Wait for GT6, because all these cars that you're buying in these "DLCs" are going to be on there. I know some people are going to post in here, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," or "The developers need the money, this is a great service that they're doing for us!" That's not the point, developers are looking at games like Forza and the Call of Duty series and seeing what success they're having with ripping people off with content that should already be in the game, hell you can't blame them they're making a profit off people that just blindly put there money towards. I'm sure there's people out there that share the same frustrations as me. This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.

Sign here if you think DLC is ruining the quality of games.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You make a good point, I was going to argue you but not when you have a valid common sense type point being made.

 

[GT5FREAK500]

For gods sake if you dont think it is worth buying it don't and do go around complaining abut the fact that you dont like it, people are sick of this ****

 

[tribolik]

Yeah I agree and I would go further... they should have waited another 4 years and release GT6 instead (skip GT5 + DLCs and just release it all together)

Isnt the DLC optional??? I would think so because I bought the first one (SPA and the TC cars) and didnt buy the other ones because they didnt apeal to me... but the great think about something that is optional is that it gives people that wanted it and like it the option to get it and people that dont like it the option to not buy it... Further more I really enjoyed the first DLC and because of it I restarted playing GT5 again for a few months... Im now waiting for another IMO proper DLC to start playing the game again.

So I dont see what the big deal is or the purpose of this thread.

 

[xNeroZero]

For gods sake if you dont think it is worth buying it don't and do go around complaining abut the fact that you dont like it, people are sick of this ****

Because the post says that I'm interested in the content, no you idiot. I'm trying to make a point, I don't care for the content. What I'm saying is the quality in video games is dropping due to DLC. Look at Forza for example. I don't want this great game to fall into that. I've been playing since GT1 and I've been impressed by all of them.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

For gods sake if you dont think it is worth buying it don't and do go around complaining abut the fact that you dont like it, people are sick of this ****

Well your name says it all, and your blind answer perpetuates it further. He's not really talking about GT5 rather as DLC taking over the gaming world more and more. Which if that's the case this shouldn't be under the GT5 Q&A.

People are also sick of being shafted, the OP made the point of people saying what you just said. So if the OP is well aware of it why answer (same goes for tribolik) in that way. Is it because the dogma you call GT5 is being questioned? Also funny thing is just as you say about DLC here, if you don't like these threads don't reply to them 💡

So let's sum it up so you don't think on compulsion but actual common sense and rational, the OP isn't talking down about GT5 or diminishing it. Rather making a point that people are getting shorted with DLC options making you feel like you wont have a complete game unless you have it. Yes it is optional, but why have the option when it could easily be patched in the game. Several cars that we have been given for DLC for example were made before the release of the game and a big argument that still goes on is why not have patched them in to the game instead. If they were planned with the original release then why not add them later when you can? This goes for any game.

 

[xNeroZero]

Yeah I agree and I would go further... they should have waited another 4 years and release GT6 instead (skip GT5 + DLCs and just release it all together)

Isnt the DLC optional??? I would think so because I bought the first one (SPA and the TC cars) and didnt buy the other ones because they didnt apeal to me... but the great think about something that is optional is that it gives people that wanted it and like it the option to get it and people that dont like it the option to not buy it... Further more I really enjoyed the first DLC and because of it I restarted playing GT5 again for a few months... Im now waiting for another IMO proper DLC to start playing the game again.

So I dont see what the big deal is or the purpose of this thread.

I cringe when I read this. Can you not read? I'll spell it out for you; DLC RUINING QUALITY OF GAMES, QUALITY DROP BECAUSE OF DLC

 

[xNeroZero]

Well your name says it all, and your blind answer perpetuates it further. He's not really talking about GT5 rather as DLC taking over the gaming world more and more. Which if that's the case this shouldn't be under the GT5 Q&A.

People are also sick of being shafted, the OP made the point of people saying what you just said. So if the OP is well aware of it why answer (same goes for tribolik) in that way. Is it because the dogma you call GT5 is being questioned? Also funny thing is just as you say about DLC here, if you don't like these threads don't reply to them 💡

So let's sum it up so you don't think on compulsion but actual common sense and rational, the OP isn't talking down about GT5 or diminishing it. Rather making a point that people are getting shorted with DLC options making you feel like you wont have a complete game unless you have it. Yes it is optional, but why have the option when it could easily be patched in the game. Several cars that we have been given for DLC for example were made before the release of the game and a big argument that still goes on is why not have patched them in to the game instead. If they were planned with the original release then why not add them later when you can? This goes for any game.

omg i cried when i read this, a guy that actually understands what im trying to say

 

[tribolik]

I cringe when I read this. Can you not read? I'll spell it out for you; DLC RUINING QUALITY OF GAMES, QUALITY DROP BECAUSE OF DLC

Can you not read? I'll spell it out for you; DLC IMPROOVED THE GAME FOR ME AND GAVE ME MORE HOURS OF ENJOYMENT, QUALITY OF THE GAME HIGHER BECAUSE OF DLC.

Because the post says that I'm interested in the content, no you idiot. I'm trying to make a point, I don't care for the content. What I'm saying is the quality in video games is dropping due to DLC. Look at Forza for example. I don't want this great game to fall into that. I've been playing since GT1 and I've been impressed by all of them.

Your second post on this forum and you are already insulting other users when nobody insulted you, you should read the AUP before posting... Ive submited a report to the moderation team. If you can deal with diferent options why bother post here? make a blog and express yourself there.

 

[Spike125]

I agree, that this DLC mania starts to be a pain in the a$#, but I'm a content junkie so I'll buy it anyways.
But to your point, that developer increasingly use DLC to "ripoff" customers I agree.
Many argue if it's valid or not, and there are some good points already made in other discussions.
In my opinion, if you really think about it, it is a ripoff.
The content you get in a DLC is not worth the money, compared to a full game.
But again, all of us can never get enough content

Btw, the solution in FM4 with the season pass, is a good idea in my opinion, which could also work for GT5, but many people don't want to commit that far I think.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Can you not read? I'll spell it out for you; DLC IMPROOVED THE GAME FOR ME AND GAVE ME MORE HOURS OF ENJOYMENT, QUALITY OF THE GAME HIGHER BECAUSE OF DLC.

That's quite subjective really, and I pointed out that it is the objective of DLC. Your experience isn't based in fact, it is an opinion don't word it as if it validates why DLC should stay. Not to be mean but you to should know AUP in that context.

Your second post on this forum and you are already insulting other users when nobody insulted you, you should read the AUP before posting... Ive submited a report to the moderation team. If you can deal with diferent options why bother post here? make a blog and express yourself there.

This is true, I agree the OP needs to follow the AUP.

 

[xNeroZero]

I agree, that this DLC mania starts to be a pain in the a$#, but I'm a content junkie so I'll buy it anyways.
But to your point, that developer increasingly use DLC to "ripoff" customers I agree.
Many argue if it's valid or not, and there are some good points already made in other discussions.
In my opinion, if you really think about it, it is a ripoff.
The content you get in a DLC is not worth the money, compared to a full game.
But again, all of us can never get enough content

Btw, the solution in FM4 with the season pass, is a good idea in my opinion, which could also work for GT5, but many people don't want to commit that far I think.

An honest person, I like that. That's why this is become bad in my opinion. People know (in your case) or rather some people don't even care, they'll buy it anyways. That is one of two points that I'm trying to prove. That's why it's going to get worse and the quality of games is going to drop, HARD.

 

[thelvynau]

Im sitting on the fence for this one until I can figure out if it could be deemed bad.

I mean there is a case for either arguement as with others I was about to disagree but the OP has given me something to consider

 

[tribolik]

That's quite subjective really, and I pointed out that it is the objective of DLC. Your experience isn't based in fact, it is an opinion don't word it as if it validates why DLC should stay. Not to be mean but you to should know AUP in that context.



This is true, I agree the OP needs to follow the AUP.

It is subjective but I stated earlier that I only bought the first DLC and in the post you quoted I stated that it improoved the game for me (basicly the same as saying IMO the first DLC actually improoved the game especially because of SPA) and that is a fact actually... the fact that for me the game is better than it was before. another fact is that if it wasnt for the first DLC it would be more than six months from now the last time I would have played GT5. And another fact is that the OP posted in the wrong section of the forum because I dont see any questions or answers or facts in the OP just another opinion. (and he is entitled to it but has to respect other opinions diferent to his)

An honest person, I like that. That's why this is become bad in my opinion. People know (in your case) or rather some people don't even care, they'll buy it anyways. That is one of two points that I'm trying to prove. That's why it's going to get worse and the quality of games is going to drop, HARD.

Just like Iracing with all the cars and tracks updates???? thats your opinion and its no truth or fact (unless you have a crystal ball) but most importantly you have to respect other peoples opinion without insulting them.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

It is subjective but I stated earlier that I only bought the first DLC and in the post you quoted I stated that it improoved the game for me (basicly the same as saying IMO the first DLC actually improoved the game especially because of SPA) and that is a fact actually... the fact that for me the game is better than it was before. another fact is that if it wasnt for the first DLC it would be more than six months from now the last time I would have played GT5. And another fact is that the OP posted in the wrong section of the forum because I dont see any questions or answers or facts in the OP just another opinion. (and he is entitled to it but has to respect other opinions diferent to his)

That is not a fact to why DLC should stay in the gaming world, so it improved your experience of a game and for others it didn't. Same could be said about patches, that isn't based in fact, that is just a subjective view of how you see DLC (or Patches). For you it was better but that isn't a fact for everyone, with arguments like this you need a multiple consensus, not just one person. It may be fine for you but doesn't mean it is acceptible overall.

I also already pointed that the OP posted in the wrong section no reason to repeat what has already been said. I also said that I agree he should follow the AUP. So your last bit I don't quite understand why it's there.

Im sitting on the fence for this one until I can figure out if it could be deemed bad.

I mean there is a case for either arguement as with others I was about to disagree but the OP has given me something to consider

I agree, that is why I didn't argue the OP. Rather just argued those who can't read the what the OP said upfront.

 

[Spike125]

It is subjective but I stated earlier that I only bought the first DLC and in the post you quoted I stated that it improoved the game for me (basicly the same as saying IMO the first DLC actually improoved the game especially because of SPA) and that is a fact actually... the fact that for me the game is better than it was before. another fact is that if it wasnt for the first DLC it would be more than six months from now the last time I would have played GT5. And another fact is that the OP posted in the wrong section of the forum because I dont see any questions or answers or facts in the OP just another opinion. (and he is entitled to it but has to respect other opinions diferent to his)

This is the two sides of a DLC. For some people it's worth the money, as they find something they were missing before. And for some people it's not worth it.
That's why there will never be a consense about DLC.
But fact is content for money is low, doesn't matter if it increases your play time or not.
Again for me I want to have all the options so I will continue buying DLC's

 

[xNeroZero]

I agree, that is why I didn't argue the OP. Rather just argued those who can't read the what the OP said upfront.

All I got to say is look at the games that are coming out today versus the games that came out 6 to 13 years ago. If you've been playing games as long as me, you'll notice that games from 13 years ago are superior to games of today.

 

[tribolik]

That is not a fact to why DLC should stay in the gaming world, so it improved your experience of a game and for others it didn't. Same could be said about patches, that isn't based in fact, that is just a subjective view of how you see DLC (or Patches). For you it was better but that isn't a fact for everyone, with arguments like this you need a multiple consensus, not just one person. It may be fine for you but doesn't mean it is acceptible overall.

I also already pointed that the OP posted in the wrong section no reason to repeat what has already been said. I also said that I agree he should follow the AUP. So your last bit I don't quite understand why it's there.

Do you know maths? or footeball/soccer? what is better to score one goal or score none? 1 is better than 0? so if one user is pleased with the DLC its better than none being pleased because there is none DLC available.

As long as it is optional I dont see the big deal... It certainly didnt ruin the original game, especially if he doesnt buy them (DLCs

The games arent getting worse IMO they are evolving... in past years if a game had a bug it would be with that bug forever, now they try to fix the bugs... the ideal would be for a game to be free of bugs but then again between 1 game with bugs and 0 games with no bugs Ill take the one especially if they patch it later.

Iracing is the most obvious example of a quality game/sim with multiple DLC/updates/pay to get content (again IMO)

So he may have a point or may not... 5 years it took to release GT5 and if another 5 will take to release GT6 at least till then I will be driving in SPA and hopefully driving the honda hsv-010 gt if they decide to release it via DLC (Ill buy that one for sure)

The DLCs certainly didnt ruin the original release (neither did the patches) especially if you dont buy the DLCs or update the game... because it is optional. But if he is refering to DLC content already finished when the game is released to make a few bucks later (as they did with Dirt 3) then that is a diferent question but I dont think that was the case with GT5.

 

[xNeroZero]

Do you know maths? or footeball/soccer? what is better to score one goal or score none? 1 is better than 0? so if one user is pleased with the DLC its better than none being pleased because there is none DLC available.

The games arent getting worse IMO they are evolving... in past years if a game had a bug it would be with that bug forever, now they try to fix the bugs... the ideal would be for a game to be free of bugs but then again between 1 game with bugs and 0 games with no bugs Ill take the one especially if they patch it later.

Iracing is the most obvious example of a quality game/sim with multiple DLC/updates/pay to get content (again IMO)

So he may have a point or may not... 5 years it took to release GT5 and if another 5 will take to release GT6 at least till then I will be driving in SPA and hopefully driving the honda hsv-010 gt if they decide to release it via DLC (Ill buy that one for sure)

You're a really ignorant person. I laugh when I read your posts, which is why I haven't responded to any of them until now. Sure you're in-titled to your opinion. Still I chuckle a bit when I read your posts.

 

[peter_vod69]

Sorry but where was the question again?

PS: If you are going to call people ignorant, try to learn to spell first. Does wonders for your credibility!

 

[Spike125]

You're a really ignorant person. I laugh when I read your posts, which is why I haven't responded to any of them until now. Sure you're in-titled to your opinion. Still I chuckle a bit when I read your posts.

Nero, to agree or not is one thing, but still you have to accept his opinion.
Again, I think this is a bottomless discussion, as the arguments on both sides are valid.

Nice talking, but the argument is closed for me here

 

[leepangfu]

All I got to say is look at the games that are coming out today versus the games that came out 6 to 13 years ago. If you've been playing games as long as me, you'll notice that games from 13 years ago are superior to games of today.

Got to disagree with this one. I think games are much better now. Maybe they are not as finished when released, but that is because developers now have the option to update the game. Old games had expansion packs. Basically the same as DLC. Only you had to go to the store to buy it.

 

[stormbringer]

Have to agree with the op here. Dlc is a b***h. And It's hardly worth the money.

It's a marketing trap. And the easiest way for any business to make money.
Make a product, get customers hooked, charge for spare parts and addons.
It's nothing new to the world.

I did buy all the dlc. Do I think It's worth it? No.
Will I buy the next dlc? Yes. I'm a diehard Gt fan and will buy all the content. Plus GT is relying on me to foolishly give them my money.

They really should increase the content of each dlc. Would make everyone more satisfied.

 

[evilserpentman]

DLC is optional. That was always a well-known fact.

Think of it this way, 10 years ago we were paying similiar prices for games, yet the quality was inferior and DLC wasn't really an option, except for a few PC titles.

Now that we've come this far in games technology, it takes tens-of-thousands instead of hundreds of hours to complete games to justify that same price tag.
Developers need bigger teams with better technology to keep up, and satisfy the masses.
So, DLC is one way of making profit, but it isn't always a desperate money grab
(however, EA time-saver packs on the other hand...)

You make a valid point of waiting for the next game OP, but people are more likely to buy the next game if they're still interested in the current game. Thus, developers add new items that they've made, to keep it fresh. It increases the life and playability of a game.

And let's be honest, if there were a pack to change all cars to premium and add all the old tracks, most of us would probably pay for it.

 

[xNeroZero]

Got to disagree with this one. I think games are much better now. Maybe they are not as finished when released, but that is because developers now have the option to update the game. Old games had expansion packs. Basically the same as DLC. Only you had to go to the store to buy it.

I agree with you on the part that they can update the game with patches. Maybe I was going a bit off the topic of GT series altogether. I was leaning towards games like Metal Gear and Final Fantasy. The DLC part though, I don't (obviously, hence the thread) I don't own any of this DLC; as I feel I don't have 100 % which is why I'm disapointed with games that have DLC. In this game, and I own everything in the game (Except the DLC and stealth cars).

 

[tribolik]

Sorry but where was the question again?

PS: If you are going to call people ignorant, try to learn to spell first. Does wonders for your credibility!

He only has 7 posts but already insulted 2 users just for having a diferent opinions.

I already reported him twice.

Im not saying that Im right and he is wrong, Im just stating my opinion and giving examples such as Iracing or even some of the latest SimBin titles with all the expansion packs that actually improoved the games quality and content (again IMO)

And further more for the price of GT5 he can now buy GT5 spec 2 and get all the available content. So I dont really understand what is the problem with GT5 DLCs when we know that if we wait a few months they release another DVD with all the content for the original game price and eventually release a full edition. So if he thinks it is a rip off and would rather wait for the next release to get the all the DLC content then it is simple... dont buy the game on release date.. buy it when the Devs release the Full edition.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I come to this site to see about updates to GT5, and every time I see an announcement for DLC. People go crazy for and buy it blindly with out even thinking. The thing that gets me the most is this recent update they're coming out with, and people are talking about what should be in the game via a DLC? What is that? Wait for GT6, because all these cars that you're buying in these "DLCs" are going to be on there. I know some people are going to post in here, "If you don't like it, don't buy it," or "The developers need the money, this is a great service that they're doing for us!" That's not the point, developers are looking at games like Forza and the Call of Duty series and seeing what success they're having with ripping people off with content that should already be in the game, hell you can't blame them they're making a profit off people that just blindly put there money towards. I'm sure there's people out there that share the same frustrations as me. This is only going to get worse if YOU the consumer stop buying DLC.

Sign here if you think DLC is ruining the quality of games.

THIS, is the reason why I'm glad Nintendo dosen't do DLC period. Why do you think I'm disappointed with Forza. I was very happy to try out the Aventador in that game, then out of the air there it was a "day 1" DLC. 👎 You had no idea how angry I was on that day... But you're right though. What's the point of DLC then, developers are becoming more lazy now because of it. Isn't that sad? I miss the 90s already. Stupid futuristic stuff and DLC. But my reason of getting the car pack 3 was because it came later freshly. To bad the Speed Track didn't come free, but yeah. Alot of people were dissing GT5 like no tomorrow of how much they hate it how disappointed they were with it. Like, we don't care.

P.S. Next time, don't insult others. It isn't nice. I love updates aswell.

 

[peter_vod69]

Yeah racing games were so much better when they came with four tracks and three cars. I especially hate how a game can come out, and then when a significant new car is released a year later you have to pay extra for its inclusion! HIGHWAY ROBBERY I SAYS!

 

[xNeroZero]

THIS, is the reason why I'm glad Nintendo dosen't do DLC period. Why do you think I'm disappointed with Forza. I was very happy to try out the Aventador in that game, then out of the air there it was a "day 1" DLC. 👎 You had no idea how angry I was on that day... But you're right though. What's the point of DLC then, developers are becoming more lazy now because of it. Isn't that sad? I miss the 90s already. Stupid futuristic stuff and DLC. But my reason of getting the car pack 3 was because it came later freshly. To bad the Speed Track didn't come free, but yeah. Alot of people were dissing GT5 like no tomorrow of how much they hate it how disappointed they were with it. Like, we don't care.

P.S. Next time, don't insult others. It isn't nice. I love updates aswell.

1990s games > todays games

 

[tribolik]

1990s games > todays games

Is that a fact or your opinion?