If you have an argument against the verses I used I'd like to hear it.
I gave you that - you cherry picked verses that suggest that Jesus is only defined as a son of god in a way that we understand human offspring. You fail to note that that's what makes you a Jew, not a Christian. Surely a priest must have taken you through the important bits at some point?
Timothy 3:16 does not exist.
I explained that the when-ness of God and Jesus was hard to understand. Apparently chapter numbers are quite difficult too.
Timothy 3:16
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness:
He was manifested in the flesh,vindicated by the Spirit,seen by angels,proclaimed among the nations,believed on in the world,taken up in glory.
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one"
Nowhere in that verse "Jesus explains that he is God".
Perhaps you're reading the meaning of the words differently? If two things are one then they are the same thing. It's basically Jesus explaining that he is God, the clues are in the words.
John 17:20,21,22 might give you more understanding on John 10:30.
John 17:20,21,22 I am praying not only for these disciples but also for all who will ever believe in me through their message.
I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. I have honored my followers in the same way you honored me, in order that they may be one with each other, just as we are one.
John 17:20 refers to the earlier verses: "
even though they are of the world I am not of the world", "
they have sent me into the world as I have sent them into the world", and follows with "
that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me". Perhaps you don't like chicken soup and that's the cause of your denial of your true beliefs?
Jesus prayed regarding his followers...“that they will all be one,” and... “that they may be one with each other", just as we are one..”
They come to share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same oneness that unites God and Jesus.
Yes, that's attained through assimilation of the hosts - a ritual (communion) that's still practiced before altars today. Eventually we gain admission to heaven (with caveats) and become one with the host. The bible's full of that stuff, for obvious reasons.
John 5:17-18 "But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I -
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."
Who said that Jesus was making himself equal to God? It wasn't Jesus.
It's pretty much the core message of John's Gospel. "
Any one who has seen me has seen the Father" is a zinger, some of the other verses require understanding of what constitutes "
one" and we've established that you'd like to bring a new, more Jewish cant to that. Still, if you know Jesus you know his Father also (John's Gospel) and so the meaning is pretty clear.
The very next verse says...
"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise."
Once again, nowhere in that verse "Jesus explains that he is God".
The son can't act independently because he
is God. The Father is the omnipotence and the Son is that will made flesh. That's how being the Messiah works. Of course, if you reject the Messiah then you're Jewish, which we already know. L'chaim.
It must be particularly difficult for you because the verses you quote not only fail to show that "
Jesus explains that he is God" but -
fail to even mention a third "being" which defines The Trinity
There is no third being. There is one being.
Writings contemporary to the dissertation of John's Gospel are strong on the existence of the Holy Spirit. It's referenced in John, Matthew, Peter and Corinthians. "
I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, that he may be with you forever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see him or know him, but you know him because he abides with you and will be in you", "
the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you", "
When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me", "
According to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure", "
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all", and "
Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"".
Paul's Prayer includes the line "
For through Him we both have our access in one Spirit to the Father". Hebrews says "
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"
The kicker is in Matthew... here's the money shot... "
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit".
The three are one, that's the Trinity, that's how the people writing the bible wrote about the bible, there they are.
If you only waited for my response back to Imari, you mightn't have shown your ignorance.
Oh, I can only imagine.
