Do you own an SRT-4?

[Ethix101]

not really..I'm sure the SRT4 is great performance car for the money, but I hate the way Neons look and I don't really like Dodge in general. To me, it'd be like if they took a Hyundai Accent and put a 220hp turbocharged engine in it and a sporty suspension..it may be really fast..but it's still a Hyundai Accent and I wouldn't want to drive it.

 

[1X83Z]

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[Josh]

Originally posted by Driftster
It's too bad how close minded you people are, how many of you have had the chance to drive a SRT-4? Honestly. Untill you can say "I've been able to see the SRT-4 as it's own car except as a performance spinoff from a POS Car" you're just being horribly close minded.

I've had several chances to drive an SRT-4, but I have no desire to. And I seriously doubt I would see it as its own car when all it really is is a more performance oriented Neon.

 

[Ethix101]

yes..I wouldn't want it because it's a Neon. If I was spending $20,000 on a new car, performance isn't the only thing I would want and that's the only thing the Neon really has that I find appealing. There are a lot of nice cars in the $20,000 range and there's no way I would buy a car that I don't like simply because it performs a bit better than the competition.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by M5Power
What is the obsession with these things!?

Cheap. Quick. Willing and tossable. Mopar Performance = bolt on 50-75 real horsepower for well under $1000. Torque that an Import Fanboy can only wetdream about, if he's even capable of imagining it.

Any further questions?

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Ethix101
Not matter how much power it has, it's still a Neon...I don't really think I need to say anything else.

Do you really want me to get started on this? What's your particular beef with the Neon, or is it just that you get an automatic woody over any Japanese POS that Sport Compact Honda has taught you to drool over?

I've got 2 Neons with well over 160,000 miles between them. My ACR has done track days at Road Atlanta and autocrosses,and with more than 80,000 miles on the clock it's still on the original clutch and rear brake pads! Look up a Grassroots Motorsports article from a few years ago called "Fast Four Doors". That's my car pictured on the grass at Road Atlanta. Not a similar Neon, MY CAR. Here's what they wrote about it: "Like all Neons, this one really struck a happy chord with us." These are racers talking, guys with access to all manner of competition cars.

The Neon absolutely dominated amateur road racing in the US, from 1995 through 1998, when the SCCA finally caved to high-pressure whining from Honda, Mazda, and Nissan, among others, and changed the rules to make the Neon uncompetitive. The Neon obeyed both the letter and the spirit of the rules, and it kicked their asses all over. The Competition Board had to allow the other manufacturers to use aftermarket parts, in a class called "Showroom Stock", just to keep up with the Neon.

Put your money on the drag strip - dollar for dollar, I can wipe any Japanese FWD off in the burnout box. I could be in the low 13's in a naturally aspirated Neon without nitrous, daily driven with no weight reduction, for under $5000 including purchase of the car!

So what exactly were you referring to? Or were you just spouting the same crap your other lemming friends also spout? Let's debate this. Come back with something besides "it's still a Neon" and I'll refute your points as you make them.

 

[SRT Rocket]

I really hate this whole "its still a neon argument". Who really cares, its cheap, fast, handles well, and has brakes from on high, so what if it is a neon. Does a true performance enthusist care who made his car, or where it came from. I don't, I have no brand loyalty whatsoever I will buy whatever the best performance value is that I can afford. To do otherwise is foolish. And as for this "I hate the way it looks". Again who cares what it looks like. Again I say any true enthusist cares more about a cars performance than its looks, besides I think the SRT-4 looks sharp and when I lower the car a bit I'd bet most of you would concede that it wasn' so bad. Even then styling is highly subjective. This car finally represents a high performing vehicle that the average person can afford and that is why there is such a "craze"about it. Why is it that some people refuse to see the legitamacy of this amazing car. The only conclusion I can come to is that some people feel threatend by it. I don't understand this. Just because one car is faster, or better handling than another, one that might be perhaps the one you are loyal to, dose not mean one has to make groundless, meritless attacks. I own an SRT-4 and I would not have it any other way. I can still like other cars. For example I like the Mazdaspeed Protege, and also the Mini Cooper S. I think all three of these cars are great and represent a sports car rennissance for the automotive industry. And what the hell is wrong with that?

 

[-Fred-]

Originally posted by neon_duke
Do you really want me to get started on this? What's your particular beef with the Neon, or is it just that you get an automatic woody over any Japanese POS that Sport Compact Honda has taught you to drool over?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're the one demanding respect for the Neon, and yet you're bashing the Civic? For [promise to never do this again]'s sake, that makes no sense.

The Civic went where ever the Neon did, and it went there first. It too, dominated the SCCA classes in the late 80s, it even had its own spec series from 1988 to 1991 (the Honda Challenge) that was immensely popular, just like Dodge had one for the Neon. It dominated the quarter mile in the "Hot Rod" class before GM decided to build a car themselves (read: with NHRA like professionnal budget), and there are a lot more 8, 9 & 10 second Hondas than there are Neons. But hey, at least there are Neons out there that are that fast. Find me a Cavalier that hasn't been built by GM's race team that goes that fast.

The Neon's the car GM & Ford wish they could build. It's simple, it's cheap, and it's easy to "hook up". Like a Civic or an Integra.


I wouldn't get an SRT-4, mainly because it screams Attention Whore, with that big wing, the twin exhaust pipes and the screaming colors, not to mention the wierd styling. But is it fast? Hell yeah it is.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by PunkRock
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're the one demanding respect for the Neon, and yet you're bashing the Civic? For [promise to never do this again]'s sake, that makes no sense.

Whoa, whoa, whoa yourself. I didn't bash the Civic. I used to own one. If I was looking to get into IT-A racing or C-SP autocross, I'd be shopping for a second-gen CRX Si right now. I have nothing against Civics, or inherently, any Japanese car at all. I have a lot against the typical SuperStreetSportCompactTurboTuner reader, who are typified by the "it's just a Neon" attitude and who blatantly refuse to see that there are worthwhile cars engineered in America.

The Civic went where ever the Neon did, and it went there first. It too, dominated the SCCA classes in the late 80s, it even had its own spec series from 1988 to 1991 (the Honda Challenge) that was immensely popular, just like Dodge had one for the Neon. It dominated the quarter mile in the "Hot Rod" class before GM decided to build a car themselves (read: with NHRA like professionnal budget), and there are a lot more 8, 9 & 10 second Hondas than there are Neons. But hey, at least there are Neons out there that are that fast. Find me a Cavalier that hasn't been built by GM's race team that goes that fast.

The Neon's the car GM & Ford wish they could build. It's simple, it's cheap, and it's easy to "hook up". Like a Civic or an Integra.

All agreed. Like I said, I never bashed the Honda. I bashed the attitude.

I wouldn't get an SRT-4, mainly because it screams Attention Whore, with that big wing, the twin exhaust pipes and the screaming colors, not to mention the wierd styling. But is it fast? Hell yeah it is.

I don't think it screams "Attention Whore" any worse than any other "tuner look" (read: rice) car, and it screams a lot less than some. Styling is in the eye of the beholder and I won't quibble with your aesthetic taste. But I'd pick the SRT over any Civic, Accord, Integra, or any other car with a body kit on it. At least with 5 minutes and a hole saw I can turn the Neon's hood scoop into a highly functional ram-air setup. In fact, it's designed by the PVO guys so that owners can do that. It's just made in such a way that they could sneak it by the corporate bluenoses.

You're not making fun of the Evo, or the Sti; you don't think those scream attention whore? The Viper screams "attention whore", too, but I wouldn't pass one up. So does a Ferrari or anything else besides a Corolla.

So please don't jump to conclusions.

 

[-Fred-]

Originally posted by neon_duke




You're not making fun of the Evo, or the Sti; you don't think those scream attention whore? The Viper screams "attention whore", too, but I wouldn't pass one up. So does a Ferrari or anything else besides a Corolla.

So please don't jump to conclusions.

I never made fun of the SRT-4, i just said i did not like how it looked. I'm not into that "tuner" scene at all, i prefer my cars to be sleeper-ish at best.

Oh, and that "attitude" isn't for Honda owners only. Pretty much anything with 4 cylinders that sells for cheap is sure to have a bunch of retards thinking they are gods.

 

[mayorbill11]

I like the PT Turbo, too bad I got stuck with a ****ty turbo Neon. :|

 

[MazKid]

Nope. Don't have or want one.

Still driving the ever running '88 323 SE Hatch.

 

[Duke]

If it ain't a Mazda, it ain't a car, huh, kid?

 

[MazKid]

If it ain't a Mazda, it's not worth driving. It can still be a car though.

 

[AltF8]

No SRT-4 for me. We'd thought about it when the wife's car was paid off, but decided to build a house instead.

So, we're a one-turbo family still.

 

[Zrow]

I like the SRT-4 (although, I like a lot of cars). It's not the best looking car, but it's quick and cheap. There are a lot of cars I'd take over it, but that's not to say I don't like it.

 

[Ethix101]

Originally posted by neon_duke
Do you really want me to get started on this? What's your particular beef with the Neon, or is it just that you get an automatic woody over any Japanese POS that Sport Compact Honda has taught you to drool over?

First off..Relax. Second, I hate 90% of the cars in Sport Compact Car and Super Street simply because they look like ricey crap (with huge wings, Altezza lights and crazy body kits), though I do tend to like Japanese cars over American cars, so I guess to an extent your statement would be true.
Since the Neon first came out I've pretty much hated it. I always thought they were ugly and made for woman who want a "Cute" car, much like the VW Beetle. I've driven a few of them (not the SRT-4) in the past and I just wasn't impressed at all. Combine the fact that they have practically no resale value and that I've had friends who owned them swear they'd never buy another one because they were unreliable and I've got good reason to not like the Neon.
Now..the reliability and resale value on the SRT-4 I can't really comment on because it's a brand new car, so it may very well be better than the past models..but to me it's still a Ugly and it's still a Neon and I wouldn't buy one.

 

[quicksilver1122]

I think the SRT-4 is a great car. But I do acknowlege the fact that it's looks can take a bit of getting used to. But if you were to take a look at it's performance and numbers, I for one wouldn't mind taking that time.

It wouldn't be the first choice of car but it would be up there somewhere. Mainly because they give me my money's worth. It's not a Cobra... but I would drive it.

 

[SRT Rocket]

Well we can only drive what we can afford. And I think there a re much worse alternitives to the SRT-4.

 

[Ethix101]

EDIT: ignore this, I hit the wrong button

 

[Frustrated Palm]

I own one (as lots of people know), and its a great car. Great gas milage for going around town, or down the interstate (that 11mpg is from when you are driving it like you stole it), very civil when normal driving, 13.5 cubic feet of trunk space, fast, and comfortable.

As for people saying its just a neon with a turbo, that's a bunch of bull. Yes, it shares alot of parts from the Neon, but Dodge had developed a new engine for the SRT-4 (along side the PT Turbo), not to mention the suspension, the transmission, etc.

The 2004 SRT-4 is getting a bigger boost (with some help from PVO). 230 hp and 260 ft-lb of torque, with a factory LSD from Quaife and an optional sunroof. Gone is the Solar Yellow, replaced by a Blue (which is very nice).

So far, I have a few mods on mine (some where put on by my dad without me knowing). I have an LSD from Quaife, Mopar Stage 1 kit, K&N, and some weird exhuast work. Going for some suspension parts atm. After that we are going to paint it the same blue as the 04 SRT4 (I like it better than yellow), and get some nice wheels. Dont want anything too fashy.

I was thinking about getting Nitrous, but I dont want to ruin my engine. Should I get it, just in case? Like when a race at the track is looking close?

 

[halfracedrift]

I think I just saw the Blue SRT-4 Up here in Canada... That.. Or it might have been a crazy SX2.0.. but it really looked like a SRT-4... And the blue you ask? Hella nice...

 

[OoNismoO]

god everyones gonna have a srt-4 like everyone has a civic!

that > is just the funniest looking face ive seen on here

 

[LancerEVO Boy]

Id take a Skyline voer this... I could only wonder why??!!

 

[Ethix101]

Originally posted by LancerEVO Boy
Id take a Skyline voer this... I could only wonder why??!!

That's like comparing apples to chainsaws...


-Mark

 

[I6-4-eva]

Nope, and I dont really care for them but hey that's just me. I saw one at my college and the interior looks cheap like something made from Fisher-Price.

 

[Cano]

what do you wanted? its an american car. its NOT gonna have the construction quality of yer mom's toyota dude. but hell if toyota scarcely did something as powerfull as the SRT, it would be 10000 dollars more expensive. Yeah, it may be cheap, but THAT is precisely the key on the SRT: its HELLUVA CHEAP for the performance figures you get!! I think that concept is great, and I would hell of course have one. cheap materials? hell! I damned know! its a chrysler!! the slides of plastic show up in the steering wheel! yeah!!! but I have 14 second times for less than 20 000 on FWD. tell me another car that can offer that -cheap materials or not- and I will buy one too. I dont care if "its a neon" (STUPIDIEST argument EVER), neither I care that much about its impracticality, about its reliability, etc. want those? go buy a corolla like yer mom's. This car isnt made for that. and if it lacks those compared to other cars that are that fast and provide reliability, dependability and practicality, you can go with the few thousand dollars that that will nag you. the SRT is great because its cheap but its FAST! and its made to be fast, and it really doesnt matter if its got cheap stuff, its fast, and that is what you are paying for.
for its appearance, well, yeah, the wing is ugly, and I dont really like the rims. small things just take those out and you are set. oh, and if you can fill out those two holes in the nose, much the better.

Cano

the thing's coming to mexico next year. I will of course check it out. finally a rival for the Seat Leon Cupra R. well, sort of a rival, because the R aint that powerful, and its a good 2500usd more expensive. but then again, I talked about that before (:
and for the dude who said he'd prefer an skyline: LOLOLOLOL @ you!!!!

 

[Takumi Fujiwara]

FF = No drift = I won't even consider it.

Plus it's ugly as sin.

Oh, and you drift haters can just go to h311.

 

[Frustrated Palm]

I own one (as lots of people know), and its a great car. Great gas milage for going around town, or down the interstate (that 11mpg is from when you are driving it like you stole it), very civil when normal driving, 13.5 cubic feet of trunk space, fast, and comfortable.

As for people saying its just a neon with a turbo, that's a bunch of bull. Yes, it shares alot of parts from the Neon, but Dodge had developed a new engine for the SRT-4 (along side the PT Turbo), not to mention the suspension, the transmission, etc.

The 2004 SRT-4 is getting a bigger boost (with some help from PVO). 230 hp and 260 ft-lb of torque, with a factory LSD from Quaife and an optional sunroof. Gone is the Solar Yellow, replaced by a Blue (which is very nice).

I dont know what alot of people's beef is with the car. Yeah its FF, so what? Just because you cant drift in it your gonna hate it? That the stupids thing I have ever heard. Why, are you SCARED of it? Just because its faster than alot of what the Japanese have to offer for the same price, you have to dis it and make up crap about it? I've seen some pretty messed up stuff in this forum and this is the worst. There is nothing worse than someone making up bull about a car just because of where it came from. "Just a Neon" eh? Well the first Gen Neon was banned from the SCCA Rally's because it was too fast (as said from Neon Duke a while back). They make good autocross racers too. Unreliable? I havent known anyone that say's its unreliable.

So far, I have a few mods on mine (some where put on by my dad without me knowing). I have an LSD from Quaife, Mopar Stage 1 kit, K&N, and some weird exhuast work. Going for some suspension parts atm. After that we are going to paint it the same blue as the 04 SRT4 (I like it better than yellow), and get some nice wheels. Dont want anything too fashy.

I was thinking about getting Nitrous, but I dont want to ruin my engine. Should I get it, just in case? Like when a race at the track is looking close?

 

[Driftster]

they've developed a whole new engine? No..I don't think theyve developed a whole new engine..I think they've simply put a new spin on the Omni......Dissagree if you want...but it's the same characteristics going into the car.

as far as unreliable...only beef i've ever had with neons and reliability is their motor mounts...breakin left and right.