Do you think GT7 will ever be the game we want it to be?

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Will Gt7 ever be the game we want it to be?


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No, because I didn't expect it to be a live service app with f2p elements.
I don't like GT7 mainly because of this and secondarily because of the boredom that comes from the lack of originality and creativity.
And they still do everything to make me suffer and not have fun while playing.
 
No. The sales are good enough, and for limited casual play it's a nice little side order on your PS5 akin to flicking through an old car magazine at your dentist. This is their pretentious curated branded dream while pushing you to spend more in game as it's a slog for most people so they just buy straight to the cars that interest them.

You can't even use this game to check out new exciting cars or even good cars from previous games due to so called licensing issues. They seemed to push for new cars 5-10 years ago but now we just don't see hardly any, like it's another way to cut costs. It was exciting times when the Ferrari California appeared in GT5P no less when launching in the real world.
 
Unless if PD delivers a "Spec 2" version of this game with a proper carreer mode, it will never be the GT I want it to be and I don't see that coming...
For me it's:

1) a proper career mode

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2) a proper matchmaking system like the one Forza Motorsport has, with all cars (tunable) and all tracks on rotation in lobbies of different classes.

I bought all these amazing cars but I cannot use them online against 15 other players on all the possible tracks the game offers. And no, the user created lobbies other than not being user-friendly, are an empty, soulless, boring mess. It should all be automated by the game, again, forza style. There's Sport mode, but PD is forcing me to have the same 2 races in a week using the same cars on the same tracks. (And no I don't consider Race C, since it's basically a mini-endurance. It's not a quickmatch). Furthermore, if I miss the race I have to wait up to 20 minutes to hop in the next one.

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I actually say "Maybe". I have hope still for PD and for Sony to back PD better and to reach out to fans more and to Grow the Developer base, outsource more and bring content quicker.

And I still hope for fans and most users of the game to get a little bit of everything or something they like. I have been with PD across all PlayStation platforms since PS1 and GT1.

Playing GT7 now in terms of Graphics, lighting, car physics and sound engine and Photography tools has been improved so much I think people forget what we had and what wasn't possible on older consoles.

I personally think GT7 looks and sounds heaps and loads better than it ever has. All cars are fun to drive, unique, and challenging and differently obviously. I haven't had chance to drive every car around every track.

I personally don't like competing. I like driving for fun and free runs around tracks online with cruises and enjoying the cars on the tracks we have at our own leisure.

I think. It is really just the beginning. GT Sport was a Introductory to the new platform and a demonstration. GT7 is the first installment on the new platform even though it is cross generation.

Having said all of that I have been immensely enjoying the engine swap glitch and tuning and creating liveries of real cars. Not necessarily Racing liveries but curated cars or famous cars from film or YouTube. And just driving pleasure.

I do agree Career mode needs to be made more realistic with options for BIG money wins to help buy hagerty or vintage auction fortunes. Racing needs to be based on the Group racing categories in the real world and be based on real championships with real championship winnings except you can't drink virtual champagne though.

As just said, Career mode needs to have very real racing and be more serious based on the real racing disciplines I'm the real world, including rules and having practice and qualifying options throughout the single player career mode and any of the different types of events.

Drag Racing events and Drift for those that like drifting. Again base it on the real discipline. For fans and modders also Including bringing coloured tyres and smoke to the game would be great. Among the other many drifting tools options or features like in real world.

I also mentioned a good way to integrate winning tickets in another post probably on roulette thread through current championship events or single player events even missions. I used to love driving the endurance races in older games. Now there aren't very many at all.

So for me customisation, tuning and modification along with painting could be improved with new tools and new parts options would be great. The ability for drivetrain swaps is possible with the advent of engine swaps finally entering the game. I would agree there needs to be a more frequent way to win parts or engine tickets without it being an impossible lottery.

Having a big catalogue with new types of wing mirrors, wings, front wings, vents, air ducts, bumper lips, front splitters, spoilers, fenders and myriads side skirts to make cars truly unique. Even under car lighting or a Dyno like in car mechanic SIM. More sizes of wheel or tyre width for widebody such as Forza has done. Being able to paint decals with Special and Real car paints to match the rest of the car. More areas of cars to be painted would be nice.


All of this may not come to the game ever because that's my personal "want" but the game has come closer than it ever has and it is still miles better than it once was. I just keep enjoying the driving experience constantly online with other drivers. It never gets old or boring for me. Still lots of cars to drive.

Anyway that's what I think about the game.
 
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I played it non stop since launch, until around a month ago. So close to being something really special. I think its decent and had fun for sure and will return at some point. By why on earth can they not release more content. You just have to look around at other releases across genres to see what others are doing. I'm addicted to FIFA at present, the amount of content they release is crazy, this weekend Season 2 commenced and they released all the squads world cups players in Ultimate team, and non stop objectives... too much in some ways (if you want to complete it all and don't have hours to invest each day), but a nice problem to have.

Only thing I will say, is the game (ultimate team where they put all their energy...) is clearly designed to make people spend more money on mtx to keep ahead of the power curve, thinly veiled as not necessary, but you can see through it, and unless you get lucky with the packs, (loot boxes), you'll have to spend money imo (unless you play for 10 hours a day) to get a team of the best players... obviously as a consumer of the game I don;t like mtx, but again, PD could learn a thing or two about how they price things. Dread to think how much EA are raking in with them.

Surely can;t be that difficult to release a load of new races, modes, objectives each months. Understand cars/tracks may take a bit longer, but surely they can implement more competitions and new races? Bit baffling why they aren;t, not like they're working on other games. Wonder if vr2 is bubbling in the background (I certainly hope so).
 
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GT franchise has never been what we want it to be. It'sd always been Kaz' own vision. We got to drive all kinds of cars on whatever tracks were available in each game, while looking good doing it. That's pretty much it.
I think it's healthy for people who are disappointed in where the franchise is going to recognize this and come to peace with it.

It's like being married to someone for 15 years and then wondering 'when will you be the person I want you to be?'

Uh, if it hasn't happened in 15 years, it's not gonna happen.

The only way GT will change significantly is if Kaz steps down. Holding your breath hoping for any real change is just pointless.
 
It has the potential to, like, the best way I'd describe GT7 is a diamond that is extremely rough and unpolished. It could become a very beautiful diamond but for how it's treated/developed right now it's very far from it.
Absolutely. And from what I can tell it would not take an enormous amount of resource to get it closer to that pure diamond. CERTAINLY nowhere near the likes of post-launch efforts for No Man's Sky or even Cyberpunk.
 
clearly no ! I have all the GT games but I will not by this one ( my current point of view). I can't understand a GT without more best historical tracks (ok there is 3 ! but not enough for me (Grand valley, Appricot hill, Mid Field, Seattle , Tahiti... etc where are they ? ) and they don't look like the old tracks ( tracks seems larger ? , does the cars make weelings on the last slop of the straight line in Deep forest ? ... ) . And lot of GTSPORT tracks present for me no interest : the ovals ?? , tokyo : driving surrounded by wall don't gave me dreams ... . There is no licence to pay , so why no more historical tracks ?.
Give us nostalgia and nice tracks on the nature, green is a calming agent ! ;o) .. GT SPORT with real tracks , GT series with not real .
And what about PIKES PEAK on dirt or asphalt ? (GT2 if I remember well ? ) , with crazy driving with the Escudo (and why no 208 PIKES PEAK , one of the most gorgious crazy car ) .
The fact that we must be ''internet on'' for playing is not good for me (like in GT SPORT, playable but without the delivery we have done ! ) , I use my smartphone for internet , so I have no unlimited connection !! . But I know that there will be no turning back for that ...
So very disappointed for GT7 .
Instead of that , GT série still stays the most beautiful and best to drive experience for me, the best replays ever, different on each lap !! ... but I can stay on GT6 and GT SPORT and older because I have still my PS2/3 (I have no PS5). And I know that it is difficult to satisfy everyone as the tastes are different ...
Can't wait for GT8 !!;o)))) if I 'm still alive because I'm not so young .

 
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What I would like... I like the current money maker races (The 1 WTC700 & 2 WTC800 races) and would like to see more.. I would go as far as to say one for every single track?

It would be awesome if they could code it as you entering the race with a car - make it 500pp all the way to 950pp in increments of 50pp where the game will adjust the opponents and based on the number of laps or time of the race, that will decide the payout - anywhere from 500,000 to 1 mil.

I'm just tired of the same races again and again when I want credits to buy cars. And, I wouldnt mind a Monza race for example with 600pp cars where the payout would be more than 5,000 credits.
 
I personally don't think it ever will live up to the name.
I don't know what that means. I loved GT 1-4 with a passion, but would never go back to play them. So outdated these days. GT5 was overly ambitious and unbalanced, GT6 I missed because it released on PS3. GTS was a step in the right direction in many areas, but I disliked the online racing focus. GT7 is by far my most enjoyable Gran Turismo to date, while still acknowledging there are many areas that can be improved.

This is actually what makes me more optimistic. Many of the things that need to be improved are game design related rather than the fundamentals of the title. Back in the day of GT5 the entire code and all assets needed ripping up and starting again!
It is arguably the worst installment in the series. It's definitely the lowest rated.
GT7 is actually the highest rated Gran Turismo since GT4 from gaming outlets. And no, I don't take notice of Metacritic User Scores, where 8k negative reviews were submitted in the space of a few days. With less than 800 in the subsequent 7 months. I do take note of actual verified purchase reviews at stores like Amazon and retail performance in general.
But even with updates I don't think it will ever get much better. Not unless Sony suddenly becomes more pro consumer again.
There are a dozen or more responses in this thread and everyone has their own wants & needs. That tells you PD can never satisfy everyone. If your biggest gripes are more events, content (cars & tracks), and features like selling cars. It seems pretty nailed on all those will be addressed in time. If your biggest complaint is something like AI, then you'll be waiting for GT8 (or beyond!).
They don't care about making a fun game, so no.
Has this become some sort of meme because of that recent Kaz interview? An interview from a technology outlet, discussing technology.

While PD can certainly learn lessons regarding game design and how to support GAAS. Please, for goodness' sake stay away from the Dude Bro and Fast & Furious mentality that has killed so many franchises. It's also ironic the biggest concession to modern game design was the Cafe mode, a mode so many claim to dislike.
 
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I don't know what that means. I loved GT 1-4 with a passion, but would never go back to play them. So outdated these days. GT5 was overly ambitious and unbalanced, GT6 I missed because it released on PS3. GTS was a step in the right direction in many areas, but I disliked the online racing focus. GT7 is by far my most enjoyable Gran Turismo to date, while still acknowledging there are many areas that can be improved.

GT7 is unquestionably the best Gran turismo to date on a technical level, the graphics, physics, effects etc. They are unquestionably better than every other Gran Turismo that came before it. However, the game, is not the best, I do go back to GT4, it is so much better structured. And I am curently in the process of modding GT6, I have rebalanced the prices of the more expensive cars, none are higher than 10m Cr now, I've added tuning options to cars that should have had them but didn't. Every car has a year it was manufacured now instead of some not being made in any year and I am in the middle of adding a shed load of events. Essnetially, I am giving GT6 the career mode GT7 should have had IMO.

With respect to the events I have a 3 race championshoip where you race stock Beetle RSi 'sv stock TT 1.8 Quattro's, they are very closely matched cars stock. There's a junior touring car series, a junior GT series, both making use of low powere racing cars. A late 90's GT300 championship and a late 90's GT500 championship. Also a Group C series, a late 90's GT1 Championship A noughties GT championship. An LMP series, a couple of touge duals using point to poiint tracks from the tack editor. A shed load of FF, FR and 4wd events with varying power requirements as well as s shed load of events restricting cars by power and year. A 90's JDM Icons event with the Supra, Skyline, GTO, RX7, NSX, Evolution and Impreza battling it out. A faux World Touring Cars style event with cars like the BMW Touring Car, Altezza Touring Car etc. And a hell of a lot more. It's very much WIP at the moment, but coming along nicely.

There is so much you can do with a bit of imagination, and I don't have much compared to plenty of people.

This is actually what makes me more optimistic. Many of the things that need to be improved are game design related rather than the fundamentals of the title. Back in the day of GT5 the entire code and all assets needed ripping up and starting again!
Did they? GT6's source files say hello.

GT7 is actually the highest rated Gran Turismo since GT4 from gaming outlets. And no, I don't take notice of Metacritic User Scores, where 8k negative reviews were submitted in the space of a few days. With less than 800 in the subsequent 7 months. I do take note of actual verified purchase reviews at stores like Amazon and retail performance in general.
I take no notice of media reviews and instead look at reviews of trusted people who have nothing to lose form giving an honest impression. GT7 is not the highest rated. Also, the highest selling is GT3, so what does that tell you? When you look at player polls, GT7 isn't highest rated there either. I do agree with ignoring review bombing, there is a reason for that, a valid reason, but it's not a true representation of how good the game is. But you need to cast your net wider than you are for a true representation of how good GT7 is being recieved. It's being well received in general, bsolutely, but the best GT game ever? Probasbly not.

There are a dozen or more responses in this thread and everyone has their own wants & needs. That tells you PD can never satisfy everyone. If your biggest gripes are more events, content (cars & tracks), and features like selling cars. It seems pretty nailed on all those will be addressed in time. If your biggest complaint is something like AI, then you'll be waiting for GT8 (or beyond!).

Absolutely, PD cannot please everyone, what they seem to be doing is trying to look like they are pleasing everyone whilst promoting MTX's and not pleasing most people as well as they should in the process. They need to decide what GT7 is and do that.Because it;s not the online focused game GT Sport was, but it's not the single player career behomoth of previos titles either. It's a bit in no-mans land at the moment.

While PD can certainly learn lessons regarding game design and how to support GAAS. Please, for goodness' sake stay away from the Dude Bro and Fast & Furious mentality that has killed so many franchises. It's also ironic the biggest concession to modern game design was the Cafe mode, a mode so many claim to dislike.
Agreed, Cafe mode shou;d have been an added collection aspect to the career mode and not the career mode. They need to do more to make GT7 a great game. The foundation is there, and it's a hell of a foundation, the execution however is lacking.
 
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clearly no ! I have all the GT games but I will not by this one ( my current point of view). I can't understand a GT without more best historical tracks (ok there is 3 ! but not enough for me (Grand valley, Appricot hill, Mid Field, Seattle , Tahiti... etc ) and they don't look like the old tracks ( tracks seems larger ? , does the cars make weelings on the last slop of the straight line in Deep forest ? ... ) . And lot of GTSPORT tracks present for me no interest : the ovals ?? , tokyo : driving surrounded by wall don't gave me dreams ... . There is no licence to pay , so why no more historical tracks.
Give us nostalgia and nice tracks on the nature, green is a calming agent ! ;o) .. GT SPORT with real tracks , GT series with not real .
And what about PIKES PEAK on dirt or asphalt ? (GT2 if I remember well ? ) , with crazy driving with the Escudo (and why no 208 PIKES PEAK , one of the most gorgious crazy car ) .
The fact that we must be ''internet on'' for playing is not good for me (like in GT SPORT, playable but without the delivery we have done ! ) , I use my smartphone for internet , so I have no unlimited connection !! . But I know that there will be no turning back for that ...
So very disappointed for GT7 .
Instead of that , GT still stays the most beautiful and best to drive experience for me, the best replays ever, different on each lap !! ... but I can stay on GT6 and GT SPORT and older because I have still my PS2/3 (I have no PS5). And I know that it is difficult to satisfy everyone as the tastes are different ...
Can't wait for GT8 !!;o)))) if I 'm still alive because I'm not so young .

I don't know your personal circumstances, but I feel sad reading a post like this. Knowing how much fun, as a GT/car enthusiast, I'm having with GT7. I assume you have a PS4 if you're playing GT Sport. Personal finances are different for everyone, but for someone to have the interest/knowledge to post on GTP, but not purchase the title. I just don't understand it. Worst case scenario you sell a game for 2/3rd's the price you paid for it. Best cast, it gives you years of enjoyment.
 
GT7 is unquestionably the best Gran turismo to date on a technical level, the graphics, physics, effects etc. They are unquestionably better than every other Gran Turismo that came before it. However, the game, is not the best, I do go back to GT4, it is so much better structured.
I play GT (and other sims) because my interest is cars and motor racing. Events are just something I tick off as a completionist. If I go back to try an event, it's to experience that car. Doesn't matter to me if I win or not.
There is so much you can do with a bit of imagination, and I don't have much compared to plenty of people.
Which is equally the most frustrating, and also the reason for most optimism. I don't believe PD is ignorant about these things. I suspect they have a roadmap to rollout content & events, they believe will maximise active players, and new sales.
Did they? GT6's source files say hello.
Which is why I passed on GT6. If it was ported to PS4 I would have bought it, but I wasn't keeping two consoles.
I take no notice of media reviews and instead look at reviews of trusted people who have nothing to lose form giving an honest impression.
The same outlets cover all titles, GT7 just happened to be rated higher than any Gran Turismo since GT4. Personally, I take note of reviews from the likes of GT Planet, Eurogamer (Martin Robinson) and Super GT. Mainstream outlets are important too as GT is a mainstream franchise. For some reason people stick to their own echo chambers.
Agreed, Cafe mode shou;d have been an added collection aspect to the career mode and not the career mode. They need to do more to make GT7 a great game. The foundation is there, and it's a hell of a foundation, the execution however is lacking.
I don't disagree. But the foundations are always far more important to me than additional content, events, and so on. Some 8 months since GT7 launched it's fine to check out other titles. Come back in a few months when there's more to sample. I don't think we'll ever reach the stage again where you can play daily for months on end without repeating content. Unless some thought is given to user created events that pay as well as original content.
 
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Has this become some sort of meme because of that recent Kaz interview? An interview from a technology outlet, discussing technology.
No, it's my own humble opinion, they don't seem to want to make the game fun from what I see.
 
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Which is equally the most frustrating, and also the reason for most optimism. I don't believe PD is ignorant about these things. I suspect they have a roadmap to rollout content & events, they believe will maximise active players, and new sales.
I'd like to believe this, but they just haven't shown the slightest hint of evidence that it's true. If they have a roadmap, they aren't showing it. If the current content releases are part of that roadmap, then it's not a very good roadmap.
 
Working for a Japanese company and based on my experience my answer is ... NO.

They'll continue with this trend till PS6 and GT8 (If there will be a GT8)

I'm optimist .... .... ... ..

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I've had to come to terms that GT won't be the game we all want it to be, for whatever reasons. From what I can ascertain, I think PD's second wind is giving us the parameters to create what we want to see within reason, but sufficiently arming us with well thought out tools to do so, not to mention it should be rewarding in various aspects.

However, a lack of core content (something GT7 already suffers with) simply because players have the ability to build it themselves would be a very poor excuse. There needs to be a sturdy game from the start with quality content released by the developers, indeed a selling point. Like some have already said GT7 does a poor job to inspire or motivate me to play it at times, the core content is lackluster.

Kaz loves cars, and I'm sure he loves his franchise, but the way PD did the series dirty with this title is as if some notable figures just don't want to do this anymore, but the paper too good.
 
Doesn't look like it... they don't listen to the community, they don't communicate well, it's like the live in another planet and do whatever they feel is right. And they do many things right of course, but easy, at least apparently, modifications that would be significant for the community they just don't care, like knowing in the lobby if a room is in practice or race... ffs PD, really? Or having more variety of daily races, and please races with those super expensive legendary cars, the ferrari, the cobra, the jaguar, even fun races with cars before the 60's. They have the game, but they don't exploit it.
 
I don't know your personal circumstances, but I feel sad reading a post like this. Knowing how much fun, as a GT/car enthusiast, I'm having with GT7. I assume you have a PS4 if you're playing GT Sport. Personal finances are different for everyone, but for someone to have the interest/knowledge to post on GTP, but not purchase the title. I just don't understand it. Worst case scenario you sell a game for 2/3rd's the price you paid for it. Best cast, it gives you years of enjoyment.
I'm happy for you if you enjoy this game . It's not a problem of money for me, just of interest, not enough news comparing to GTSPORT ... and I am a little bit bored of it ! it's right that with a PS5 , graphics are better (and for me it's very very important , that's why it's difficult to go back on GT6, and worst : GT3 ! ) , and probably the handling is a little bit better , but it was already very good for me on GT SPORT . I can give my opinion even I have not the game , I have looked lot of informations, tests and videos , and I'm not convinced , this message is just to show my deception , when I remember to the pleasure and impatience I had for the previous games ? . All my critics are on the content , not on the quality of the game .
And I have no internet box because our providers are very bad and incompleteness to instal the fiber (the slow disintegration of our country!!). I am 15 km from Paris !!! it's pitiful !!☹️
 
I play GT (and other sims) because my interest is cars and motor racing. Events are just something I tick off as a completionist. If I go back to try an event, it's to experience that car. Doesn't matter to me if I win or not.

Which is equally the most frustrating, and also the reason for most optimism. I don't believe PD is ignorant about these things. I suspect they have a roadmap to rollout content & events, they believe will maximise active players, and new sales.

Which is why I passed on GT6. If it was ported to PS4 I would have bought it, but I wasn't keeping two consoles.

The same outlets cover all titles, GT7 just happened to be rated higher than any Gran Turismo since GT4. Personally, I take note of reviews from the likes of GT Planet, Eurogamer (Martin Robinson) and Super GT. Mainstream outlets are important too as GT is a mainstream franchise. For some reason people stick to their own echo chambers.

I don't disagree. But the foundations are always far more important to me than additional content, events, and so on. Some 8 months since GT7 launched it's fine to check out other titles. Come back in a few months when there's more to sample. I don't think we'll ever reach the stage again where you can play daily for months on end without repeating content. Unless some thought is given to user created events that pay as well as original content.
That's all fair enough, I will agree to disagree where the future of GT7 is concerned. I'm far more pessamistic about what PD have planned and will do to the game and I don't see it ever meeting my expectations.

The one caveat I will add in respect of your post, is if you are only interested in a game with good foundations so you can experience different cars and tracks and not interested in the actual events and game progression that comes with all of that, there are far better games than GT7 for that which are designed specifically to be that type of sandox experience.
 
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