Do you want the UK to stay in the EU?

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Should the UK stay in the EU

  • UK Resident - YES

    Votes: 18 34.0%
  • UK Resident - NO

    Votes: 9 17.0%
  • Wider EU Resident - YES

    Votes: 4 7.5%
  • Wider EU Resident - NO

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • Rest of World - YES

    Votes: 8 15.1%
  • Rest of World - NO

    Votes: 11 20.8%

  • Total voters
    53
A European Union is really an excellent idea. The European Union is... not.

I think this sums up the opinion of not just the people in the UK, but people everywhere in the EU. The current EU is a lethargic, bureaucratic and money-guzzling beast. It can't be sustained in its current form. If you would hold a referendum in The Netherlands I'm pretty sure you would get the same results as in the UK. That said: I think the UK should stay in, and team up with countries like the Benelux and France, and change the EU from within.
 
BobK
So you're saying anyone who hasn't formed an opinion yet isn't welcome here. Gotcha.

Bob, I think the point is that it's poor etiquette to just jump into a thread and have nothing to say about it in an unconstructive manner. It's quite another, to just "be indifferent", and from what I gather, that's your opinion on the subject.

If the poll doesn't have the choice, then just let it be (speaking as one who rarely uses GTPlanet's polls).
 
In my first post I had made what I felt was a (somewhat at least) constructive comment before mentioning the poll choices. The parenthetical "I don't care" was an attempt at humor. Two things that seems to have escaped the notice of the butthurt people in here.
 
It's obvious continental Europe is hitting terrible trouble. Why would the UK hitch its wagon to a dying horse? Or do you think the UK is dying faster than the EU, which would explain the clear majority of pro-union votes in the poll?

My confusing paragraph caused your question, sorry :dopey: what I meant is that the UK out of the EU is not more fragile than in it. First because the USA and the EU would help if needed. Second because what happens in "continental europe" (to use your wording) will affect the UK anyway, maybe a litle less if the UK is already out (but I'm not sure).

But I'd like to address your question regarding the supposed duality between "Continental Europe" vs. the "UK" and which is in a worse condition. I'd say there's no such thing as a "continental europe". If you ask me if Germany is in a better shape than the UK, I'd say probably. If you ask me about France, or about other countries in Europe, then we can make comparisons. Because here's the problem: With or without the euro, all economies are mutually related, but still each of them is different.

When I say the UK leaving the EU is not a big problem, I'm not saying it because its economy is not relevant. It is and it will remain. But the UK leaving doesn't create the HUGE monetary problem that would arise should any Eurozone country want to leave.
 
I think one of the biggest issues that arises from the UK being a part of the EU has been said before; the gradual erosion of our powers regarding soverignty and governing (with regards to our laws and our domestic decisions) by the EU has effected a growing voice of disdain from the general public who are unhappy at being rode roughshod over by people who are not part of our judiciary system.

The Human Rights Act should never have been made part of our law, and should be repealed and replaced with a version that benefits the majority of people. We should have an near identical of the current EU HRA, but with two major caveats at the front of the Act; 1, if you have a committed a serious violent crime, your automatic right of access to the law is restricted; 2, the rights of the majority must outweigh the rights of the minority. With these two simple decrees, I feel it would make a much safer and fairer country. It would also make people happier to stay within the EU.
 
EU was a good idea in theory. Just like Communism. Now everything and everyone are going to hell in a handbasket and what does Brussels tell us to do? Just to hold on tight and accept the fate.. European economy should be reset somehow to stop the plunge. And while creating a superstate would in theory be one option, I don't see everyone being happy about that. There would most likely be "internal restlessness" to put it mildly.
 
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