Does different hardware allow you to brake later?

[paulhalt]

First off, apologies if this is in the wrong place or if this is a duplicate thread.

I play on PS4 using a controller, and I always play with automatic transmission and all assists off apart from ABS set to weak. I just played the Daily Race at Monza, and I noticed the guy who won the race (he was on pole, I was P2) had a fastest race lap of 1:48.0, which is about 0.3 seconds quicker than my qualifying time in the same car (Porsche 911) and miles faster than my fastest race lap this week which is a 1:49.2. So he's way quicker than me.

I'm always keen to learn, so I saved the replay and watched the lap to see if there's anything I could pick up. From the replay, I could see he's also using automatic transmission, and has all assists except ABS off. Same as me. He also takes the same lines as me, so that's all good. What I noticed is that he's braking far later than me into the three chicanes and the final corner, for example I brake for the first chicane just before the 150 board, any later and I can't cut nicely across the orange board and I'm wide and ugly, but he brakes about a third of the way between the 150 board and the 100 board. Same kind of thing at all the other corners.

So I thought about it, and I thought perhaps he's got ABS on default rather than weak, and maybe he has his brake balance to the front of the car, so I just ran a few laps, some with the ABS on default, some with the brake balance adjusted, and some with both. Regardless of the setup, if I brake as late as he did, I can't make the corner or even get close to making it. I can brake slightly later, but nowhere near as late as he was, and I'm not any quicker overall.

Granted a lot of the time difference could be a skill issue, and that's fine, but what gets me is that he can brake substantially later than I can, and I'm assuming he has a wheel and pedals that allows him to do that. But is that really the case? Yes, I get that a wheel and pedals would allow you to drive more smoothly, holding the throttle and sticking to the right lines more consistently, but braking later too? Really?

 

[BobF]

Not an expert here, but I have discovered that a small bit of throttle helps get the car rotated at times. Just a touch.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

From the replay, I could see he's also using automatic transmission

Don't pay too much attention to that, the transmission is bugged on the replays so it will always show as automatic. Playing on manual is definitely faster and will give you more control over the engine braking on corner entry which you can manipulate for extra rotation and slowing down faster.

I'm on controller too and have been using the Porsche this week (and every other week tbh), for me ABS on weak and +2 BB is the fastest (my qualy time is a 46.7).

 

[paulhalt]

Don't pay too much attention to that, the transmission is bugged on the replays so it will always show as automatic. Playing on manual is definitely faster and will give you more control over the engine braking on corner entry which you can manipulate for extra rotation and slowing down faster.

I'm on controller too and have been using the Porsche this week (and every other week tbh), for me ABS on weak and +2 BB is the fastest (my qualy time is a 46.7).

Are you sure about the replays? When I watch the fastest guys qualifying laps it does show up as MT.

I take it you are also using MT? Which buttons have you mapped for shifting? Where do you brake for the first chicane?

Thanks.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Are you sure about the replays? When I watch the fastest guys qualifying laps it does show up as MT.

I take it you are also using MT? Which buttons have you mapped for shifting? Where do you brake for the first chicane?

Thanks.

It seems like it's okay for the person who saved the replay but shows as AT for every other car.

I use MT, I mapped up to square and down to X which from memory is the opposite of the default, there is a dark patch on the road just about at the 150m board, I'm using that as my marker.

 

[Meythia]

It seems like it's okay for the person who saved the replay but shows as AT for every other car.

I think somehwere on the boards it was said that replays are inaccurate in all their "metrics" except for showing how the car actually drives around the track.

Which means "braking later in a replay" would come down to the replay showing braking pressure later than the driver applied.
But the braking lights still react at the right time stamp (as much as one can react to that).

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

I think somehwere on the boards it was said that replays are inaccurate in all their "metrics" except for showing how the car actually drives around the track.

Which means "braking later in a replay" would come down to the replay showing braking pressure later than the driver applied.
But the braking lights still react at the right time stamp (as much as one can react to that).

Thats probably right, I know the brake info wasn't accurate on GT Sport.

The brake lights should still be right though (I've used them to sync gameplay/replay footage in the past) and I guess we're mostly going to 100% brake pressure in the dry.