Does this game feel a little easy to you?

[Lancia stratos]

(I'm not too sure if there is an existing thread but here goes.)

Well to be honest, this game too me was just a small story. The game was beaten in 9 hours. The game did feel too short and there was a lot of easy shortcuts to win the races by easily require speedy cars. Here what I did:

Game Starts: read info blah blah blah. Finally reached home. Imported all my licenses. Not the credits because I did't feel like it.

Starting car: without a problem, a used car dealership made a used Mitsubishi lancer that stored 200+ horsepower noticeable. Bought it, and bought some cheap parts.

First Race: Special Conditions->very first track-> round one.
Foe: Renault 5 turbo.
Me: Mitsubishi lancer GSR

Drafting was the first step in my plan. Passed the turbo in the very first turn. Race was pretty intense. I almost lost by a 5 second penalty. But lucky fore the AI punted me to the finish line

Round Two: Reverse

Foe: Toyota Celica
Me: Mitsubishi lancer GSR

This was tough. The very beginning was way too hard for me. I couldn't pass that AI because of small spacing. Got 3 5 second penalties.
But........the AI slams the wall the second to last curve to the finish line and I won!

First prize car: Cadilliac Cien

Afterward....the money i got for the races and I got for selling the lancer, the tuned this beast for the sunday cup. Afterward as I used methods to make fast cash (Special condition-> second race 2x) i stockedpile cash for these set of cars:

Honda S2000 type V
Subaru Impreza prodrive
Honda Integra
Buick special
Toyota Tundra

Some were prize cars

Honda NSX concept
Honda S500 (?) race car (old thing)

Afterward, I did missions 21-24 after completing all beginner and professional (besides the final one.)

Neat prize car: Pagani Zonda Race Car

Tuned it up obivously. After nice set of adjustments, I competed in the final race. After a Long gruesome set of races..... the credits sprung.

That was too fast. It took me a longer time to beat GT3. This game felt too short. Do you think this way?

 

[mafia_boy]

So let me get this straight.......

You finished ALL the endurances (including all 3 x 24hr races), ALL the special conditions races (on easy, normal AND hard), ALL the Japanese races & championships, ALL the USA races & championships, ALL the European races & championships, ALL the missions and ALL the coffee breaks.......in 9hrs.......yeah right.

Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, you obviously only gargled.

 

[Lancia stratos]

I did complete those endurances and everything 100% my little brother turned off the game while it was saving

So I tried again..... Thanks to him not reading the DO NOT TURN OFF THE CONSOLE while saving....... Didn't take me long to reach the credits.

 

[mafia_boy]

I did complete those endurances and everything 100%

Think about what you are saying....you did EVERY SINGLE race, in A-spec, in 9hrs?? BS! Even with B-spec, you did every race within 9hrs?? MORE BS!! So much BS in here that the flag MUST be raised!!

Seriously, your BS artistry is so good you should be called Leonardo Da Faeces. You try and do ALL the F1 races in 9hrs, let alone the whole game with your Zonda and see how it does. It will get smashed.

So I tried again..... Thanks to him not reading the DO NOT TURN OFF THE CONSOLE while saving....... Didn't take me long to reach the credits.

MOAR BS!!

 

[Lancia stratos]

Think about what you are saying....you did EVERY SINGLE race, in A-spec, in 9hrs?? BS! Even with B-spec, you did every race within 9hrs?? MORE BS!! So much BS in here that the flag MUST be raised!!

Seriously, your BS artistry is so good you should be called Leonardo Da Faeces. You try and do ALL the F1 races in 9hrs, let alone the whole game with your Zonda and see how it does. It will get smashed.



MOAR BS!!

No not 100% just the the ones the lead to the credits in 9 hrs. I did obtain other cars after the credits. And i'm almost done. i just need to finish the last 3 endurances tommorow. No need to be that mean about it. You kinda misunderstood what i was saying.

 

[mafia_boy]

No not 100% just the the ones the lead to the credits in 9 hrs. I did obtain other cars after the credits. And i'm almost done. i just need to finish the last 3 endurances tommorow. No need to be that mean about it. You kinda misunderstood what i was saying.

No, I didn't misunderstand anything. You said the following....

Well to be honest, this game too me was just a small story. The game was beaten in 9 hours.

Which is impossible. The whole game is beaten when you get 100%, 85 Gold (all gold + coffee breaks) and have 111,813 A-Spec points, which takes a little more than 9hrs. Plain & simple.

 

[Lancia stratos]

Oh I see. I used the term beaten as to reaching the ending credits, I look at the other things as extra fun stuff to do afterwards.

Even I know 9 hours and 100% are beyond anyones abilities. But Yes I do have to complete 3 more races until I reach the 100% mark once again.

 

[Seismica]

The 'end' credits occur when you complete the World Championship in the Professional race hall.

I was only ~30% complete when i did that (Excluding golding licenses, gaining 200 points a race, maxing out B-spec skill - All of which contributes to beating the game, but not towards percentage complete). You have plenty more work to do.

The game is easy. Tried the Opel Speedster cup yet? Thought not.

 

[Lancia stratos]

Yes I did the speedsteer cup already.

 

[DK]

I think he used some sort of cheat disc that makes all the races very short, which explains him doing all the 24 hour enduros in 9 hours.

 

[Famine]

The game is as easy or as hard as you make it. Put the PFGT into the Sunday Cup and it's going to be a breeze. Try it in a FIAT 500 and you'll find it a bit of a struggle.

You're also talking about 9hr to reach less than 20% of the game - only do the compulsory parts to get you to the end credits and it'll be less than that and take less time. That's not exactly "beaten" is it? I reached 100% in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare and Call of Duty: World at War in less time than that. GT4, done entirely in A-spec, took me a week's worth of hours to reach 100%.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

To be fair to Lancia stratos, i think the vast majority of gamers would agree that a game is 'finished' or 'beat' once you get to the end credits. The casual gamer is not interested in getting 100%, in fact its only really the die hard fans who really care about %.

Mafia_boy, Lancia stratos didn't say he got 100%. To call BS is 'mean' and i personally think this is offensive enough to break the AUP.
Rather than calling BS would it have been that hard to ask for more info? Maybe you we're getting the wrong impression. Your defination of complete/beaten may be completely different to others.

I would put money on it that if you asked 100 average players who have completed Halo, 90 didn't go back and look for those skull things. In the same way, the vast majority of MW2 players don't care about all those intelligence items your mean't to collect. Furthermore i remember reading the stats for Modern Warfare and a very very small percentage ever finished the airplane mission on the hardest level.

Famine is right that the game is as hard as you make it, but i have to agree with Lancia stratos that getting to the 'end credits', the credits that are presented at the END OF THE GAME, is surprisingly easy to get to in GT4.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

(I'm not too sure if there is an existing thread but here goes.)

Well to be honest, this game too me was just a small story. The game was beaten in 9 hours. The game did feel too short and there was a lot of easy shortcuts to win the races by easily require speedy cars. Here what I did:

Game Starts: read info blah blah blah. Finally reached home. Imported all my licenses. Not the credits because I did't feel like it.

Starting car: without a problem, a used car dealership made a used Mitsubishi lancer that stored 200+ horsepower noticeable. Bought it, and bought some cheap parts.

First Race: Special Conditions->very first track-> round one.
Foe: Renault 5 turbo.
Me: Mitsubishi lancer GSR

Drafting was the first step in my plan. Passed the turbo in the very first turn. Race was pretty intense. I almost lost by a 5 second penalty. But lucky fore the AI punted me to the finish line

Round Two: Reverse

Foe: Toyota Celica
Me: Mitsubishi lancer GSR

This was tough. The very beginning was way too hard for me. I couldn't pass that AI because of small spacing. Got 3 5 second penalties.
But........the AI slams the wall the second to last curve to the finish line and I won!

First prize car: Cadilliac Cien

Afterward....the money i got for the races and I got for selling the lancer, the tuned this beast for the sunday cup. Afterward as I used methods to make fast cash (Special condition-> second race 2x) i stockedpile cash for these set of cars:

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Tuned it up obivously. After nice set of adjustments, I competed in the final race. After a Long gruesome set of races..... the credits sprung.

That was too fast. It took me a longer time to beat GT3. This game felt too short. Do you think this way?

Do I enter a 700+ horsepower car in the Sunday Cup, then complain the game is too fast/short/easy? No way. 👎 I've entered the Nissan Be-1, Scion xB, Fiat Panda, etc. in the Sunday Cup. Making each race at least competitive and nail-biting.

In those first 2 races you mentioned (special conditions at Citta d'Aria) I've used a variety of cars...mostly cheap, low-powered front drives, or low-powered rear-drives from the Historic lot.

As Famine says, the game is as easy as you make it. You're obviously just rushing thru, not looking for any sort of a challenge.

 

[mafia_boy]

To be fair to Lancia stratos, i think the vast majority of gamers would agree that a game is 'finished' or 'beat' once you get to the end credits. The casual gamer is not interested in getting 100%, in fact its only really the die hard fans who really care about %.

You can say that, but then the people who finished for example a game on the 'Easy' setting can claim the same things as the people who went and did the same thing on 'Hard'. Do they deserve the same credit?? Maybe so, maybe not. It's up to the user.

Mafia_boy, Lancia stratos didn't say he got 100%. To call BS is 'mean' and i personally think this is offensive enough to break the AUP.
Rather than calling BS would it have been that hard to ask for more info? Maybe you we're getting the wrong impression. Your defination of complete/beaten may be completely different to others.

To complete something is to do it to 100%, regardless of the game. Anything less is not complete, regardless of whether you get the silly end movie or not. I'm not insulting him, I've called him out on it because to me, that is a BS claim to say he 'completed' it within 9hrs. I feel a lot of B-speccing + x3 speed up was used in this 9hrs. Famine says otherwise though, so the credibility rises when someone of Famine's caliber comes on and says it's possible and I'll leave it at that.

I would put money on it that if you asked 100 average players who have completed Halo, 90 didn't go back and look for those skull things. In the same way, the vast majority of MW2 players don't care about all those intelligence items your mean't to collect. Furthermore i remember reading the stats for Modern Warfare and a very very small percentage ever finished the airplane mission on the hardest level.

Those people are pro's that can do it at the highest levels, the others aren't even in that league.

Famine is right that the game is as hard as you make it, but i have to agree with Lancia stratos that getting to the 'end credits', the credits that are presented at the END OF THE GAME, is surprisingly easy to get to in GT4.

If you use overkill cars on every single race, of course it's going to be easy. That's like me getting a Viper, tuning it to 1000hp, fitting R3's on it and thrashing anything and everything short of the FGT's and then saying I'm good at the game because I used that overkill car to progress through the game!! It's just not kosher to do it in such a fashion that's all.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

Define : Complete
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=define:+complete&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=&oq=

come or bring to a finish or an end; "He finished the dishes"; "She completed the requirements for her Master's Degree"; "The fastest runner finished the race in just over 2 hours; others finished in over 4 hours"

Are we saying that the END credits are not at the end of the game? I would say that if you get to the END credits you have finished a game. It is then you choice wether or not to go back and exhaustively go for 100%. I did it for GT5, i did not do it for Little Big Planet.

You can say that, but then the people who finished for example a game on the 'Easy' setting can claim the same things as the people who went and did the same thing on 'Hard'. Do they deserve the same credit?? Maybe so, maybe not. It's up to the user.

Accomplishment is clearly personal emotion. If someone finishes a game on easy but has found it difficult then yes they deserve credit.

To complete something is to do it to 100%, regardless of the game. Anything less is not complete, regardless of whether you get the silly end movie or not. I'm not insulting him, I've called him out on it because to me, that is a BS claim to say he 'completed' it within 9hrs. I feel a lot of B-speccing + x3 speed up was used in this 9hrs. Famine says otherwise though, so the credibility rises when someone of Famine's caliber comes on and says it's possible and I'll leave it at that.

See above definition of complete.
The game started, he played it, he saw the end credits. He apparently achieved this in 9 hours. In his definition of complete/beaten, he is correct. Now if you called him out on not being able to get to the end credits in 9 hours, that's your call and you could ask for proof, but to call him a BS based on his definition of complete/beaten is ignorant.
Famine's opinion is very credible, his opinion niether confirms as to what YOU define as complete. You called BS.

Those people are pro's that can do it at the highest levels, the others aren't even in that league.

So are you saying that everyone who cannot achieve this level of skill has not completed the game? The majority of casual gamers would definately disagree.

Answer this, if you watched a film to the end, would you have watched the full film? NO, because you blinked. You also could not have noticed everything going on in the scene every single frame. You can't focus that well. So is it fair to say you have never seen a complete film? I think not.

If you use overkill cars on every single race, of course it's going to be easy. That's like me getting a Viper, tuning it to 1000hp, fitting R3's on it and thrashing anything and everything short of the FGT's and then saying I'm good at the game because I used that overkill car to progress through the game!! It's just not kosher to do it in such a fashion that's all.

It may not be kosher but it's certainly not cheating. If the issue of getting through the game easy exists, then the fault lies with PD in balancing the game.

In my opinion, i believe you should look more carefully at what you define as complete before calling someone a BS.
As for using the term BS on a flag when we all know what it stands for should definately be against the AUP. If i was to call you a 'insert offensive words' Liar, it probably wouldn't go down to well.

 

[Lancia stratos]

Well it was kinda easy for me to obtain high horsepower cars that seems to be one of the gists of what I'm saying.

To the user above me thanks a lot for clairifying.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

Well it was kinda easy for me to obtain high horsepower cars that seems to be one of the gists of what I'm saying.

To the user above me thanks a lot for clairifying.

No problem, i'll always defend someone who seems to be getting a harder time that maybe they deserve. Just be careful on your titles and remember that some users on here are die hard fans. They will, and often do, examine every word you say, and will come to strange conclusions.

I definately recommend starting GT4 from scratch, and don't make it too easy with overpowered cars. Some of the races can be really rewarding if done properly, and the skills you develop will help a lot when playing future GT games and especially online. If you require more of a challenge make sure to follow guidance regarding traction control, physics etc.

 

[Lancia stratos]

No problem, i'll always defend someone who seems to be getting a harder time that maybe they deserve. Just be careful on your titles and remember that some users on here are die hard fans. They will, and often do, examine every word you say, and will come to strange conclusions.

I definately recommend starting GT4 from scratch, and don't make it too easy with overpowered cars. Some of the races can be really rewarding if done properly, and the skills you develop will help a lot when playing future GT games and especially online. If you require more of a challenge make sure to follow guidance regarding traction control, physics etc.

Will do I am getting another memory card today and will start the game over. No TCS, no special conditions races until I reach the ending credits.

Can't believe I got myself in this mess. I guess the cadiallac Cien thing wasn't really a smart move I guess.

 

[mafia_boy]

Define : Complete
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=active&q=define:+complete&btnG=Search&meta=&aq=&oq=

come or bring to a finish or an end; "He finished the dishes"; "She completed the requirements for her Master's Degree"; "The fastest runner finished the race in just over 2 hours; others finished in over 4 hours"

Are we saying that the END credits are not at the end of the game? I would say that if you get to the END credits you have finished a game. It is then you choice wether or not to go back and exhaustively go for 100%. I did it for GT5, i did not do it for Little Big Planet.

The end credits come after winning the GTWC which is in Professional events. That means that you haven't even touched the EXTREME races which are the next level up. To say you've finished a game when you have a whole section to still do is bogus.

Accomplishment is clearly personal emotion. If someone finishes a game on easy but has found it difficult then yes they deserve credit.

Not that much, it's like saying you personally finished a puzzle that's recommended for 3-5yr olds.

See above definition of complete.
The game started, he played it, he saw the end credits. He apparently achieved this in 9 hours. In his definition of complete/beaten, he is correct. Now if you called him out on not being able to get to the end credits in 9 hours, that's your call and you could ask for proof, but to call him a BS based on his definition of complete/beaten is ignorant.
Famine's opinion is very credible, his opinion niether confirms as to what YOU define as complete. You called BS.

His opinion is more than credible, it's Famine. But even he said it takes a full week's worth of hours to complete it at 100% which is 168hrs.

So are you saying that everyone who cannot achieve this level of skill has not completed the game? The majority of casual gamers would definately disagree.

And I would disagree with them back because I consider myself not to have finished the game because I'm not at 100%, even though I've seen the end movie before. When all events are raced and won, then it's 100%. Others would disagree that 100% isn't complete because that person hasn't got 111,813 A-spec pts.

Answer this, if you watched a film to the end, would you have watched the full film? NO, because you blinked. You also could not have noticed everything going on in the scene every single frame. You can't focus that well. So is it fair to say you have never seen a complete film? I think not.

Now that's getting a bit far fetched. A blink is all of a microsecond which will not affect your looking at a movie or cause you to miss what's going on, and if I wanted to be pedantic about wanting to see a particular scene, I'd pause the movie, and skip it frame by frame to see what was going on.

It may not be kosher but it's certainly not cheating. If the issue of getting through the game easy exists, then the fault lies with PD in balancing the game.

That's why the A-spec system is in place, to allow the user to balance the game. But some people would rather have a company like PD force a level of difficulty onto them, which isn't in the GT spirit.

In my opinion, i believe you should look more carefully at what you define as complete before calling someone a BS.
As for using the term BS on a flag when we all know what it stands for should definately be against the AUP. If i was to call you a 'insert offensive words' Liar, it probably wouldn't go down to well.

Go look through the forum, there's atleast 1000 BS flags flying around in various threads. Especially in the 'Oh I'm making a ludicrous claim' thread!! It's not against AUP to call BS on a claim made, or if it worries your sensitivities that much, I can edit BS to 🤬 but there's no point because the censored emoticon is designed to substitute for the words like the F & C words. Anything that gets ****'d is against AUP that should be substituted with the censored tag. I've been called MANY names on this forum and to me it's like water off a ducks back, so I don't go whining and reporting those people to the mods.

But now we're drifting off topic.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Will do I am getting another memory card today and will start the game over. No TCS, no special conditions races until I reach the ending credits.

Can't believe I got myself in this mess. I guess the cadiallac Cien thing wasn't really a smart move I guess.

That route is the cheapest, most overdone cheat in Gran Turismo 4 history. The one where you win the first couple Special Condition races, then tackle the Sunday Cup in the Cien. No offense, but it really looks bad for someone to come in bragging about their prowess when all they're really doing is overkilling everything in sight. Most of the people who post here (in GT4) know the difference between true competitve racing and blatant overkill...

Imagine Michael Schumacher showing up to a 50cc kart race in his Formula 1 devil. Of course he's gonna cream the field! You gotta customize the game to your level of competitiveness.

Granted, I get your point...you're saying GT is easy because it's possible to overkill. There is no rule against it. It's up to you if you wanna be an overkiller. Just don't brag here about it, we'll tell you what's up.



...So far as the debate goes as to 'when the game ends'...it's at 100%. All missions done. All licenses. All races. All championships. Ending credits just mean you've finished an important portion of the game.

 

[stinger061]

Ok sure so it's possible to overkill the game but if there were a set list of cars that could be used in each race I also think that would detract from the game. 90% of players are smart enough to realise that they are destroying the opposition and to provide a challenge will drop down to a lesser car.

Yes the game can be completed easily with an overpowered car but nothing is forcing you to use this car. It's the same as many games have a difficulty setting, if you want to you can make it easy for yourself but if you want to be challenged you will obviously select 'Hard'. I wouldn't say its a fault with the game, it's as easy or as hard as you want to make it for yourself

 

[Lancia stratos]

Well I certainly was not bragging

see Parnelli ( nice to meet ya by the way.) you pretty much understood the point of this thread I made. It seems that overkilling seems to be a little too easy to do in this game.

To stinger061: Point taken, point taken.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Well I certainly was not bragging

Gotcha. Kinda hard to tell sometimes over the 'net. There have been plenty of folks in the past who have shown up here thinking they're God's Greatest driver and such, as they overkill everything in sight. Most of these folks need a bit of humbling.

Going a bit off-topic: I'm currently trying the World Cup in a Mobil 1 Honda NSX. Thought it would be doable, but jeez it's not! Has anyone else found a JGTC that'll last 10 laps at Route 246 and at least be able to keep up with the pack?

 

[Lancia stratos]

Yeah I have seen users that did that before. (Especially NURBURGRINGKING) but not to worry I never boast. its never a good thing. Especially since what happened to this user.

To answer your question: this was a quite a bit of a challenge due to the fact that the Tires seem to have played a major role in my failures in that tokyo R246. What I did was I made the tires in the back Hard and the front tires medium. (Since the back tires wear off quickly.) Try using a Toyota Supra JGTC. Since its turbo, I hope that means it will gain a huge boost when equipped with turbo stage 4. If all fails, try either saving up for a Mazda 787B or obtain a AMG CLK.

 

[mafia_boy]

To answer your question: this was a quite a bit of a challenge due to the fact that the Tires seem to have played a major role in my failures in that tokyo R246. What I did was I made the tires in the back Hard and the front tires medium. (Since the back tires wear off quickly.) Try using a Toyota Supra JGTC. Since its turbo, I hope that means it will gain a huge boost when equipped with turbo stage 4. If all fails, try either saving up for a Mazda 787B or obtain a AMG CLK.

Parnelli doesn't use boosters. He's meaning doing it with a stock standard JGTC.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yeah I have seen users that did that before. (Especially NURBURGRINGKING) but not to worry I never boast. its never a good thing. Especially since what happened to this user.

To answer your question: this was a quite a bit of a challenge due to the fact that the Tires seem to have played a major role in my failures in that tokyo R246. What I did was I made the tires in the back Hard and the front tires medium. (Since the back tires wear off quickly.) Try using a Toyota Supra JGTC. Since its turbo, I hope that means it will gain a huge boost when equipped with turbo stage 4. If all fails, try either saving up for a Mazda 787B or obtain a AMG CLK.

Oh gawd. Forgot NURBURGRINGKING!

I've given up on the NSX for World Cup. If that first race were 7 or 8 laps long, it would be okay, but the problem is its rear tires are gone by Lap 9, and that's using R2s. Doesn't matter if TCS is on or off, the rear just gets too unpredictable by Lap 9. And it sucks because I got it handling so perfectly otherwise! took me 2 or 3 hours just to tune the Mobil 1 NSX not to spin under braking and stuff.

I've actually completed the World Cup twice now...once in an Oreca Viper, and again in a Chapparal 2J. I don't rememer if the Viper was able to win at Route 246 or not, but I know the 2J did it.

I did just win a Pitwork Z car, guess I'll try it next. 💡

Granted, I know races 3 thru 8 are all very easy to gather points, so that it's not absolutely necessary to win 246...but I wanna enter something that'll win at least that first race (at Route 246) as well.

 

[Lancia stratos]

Oh. In my defense I dont really know him too well. Heh heh.

Well have you tried the toyota woodone supra yet?

I notice most race cars are FR or MR. So pretty much the back is goona wear off quickly compare to the frontm. So try making the rear hard. Keep the front medium. (At least thats what I did. All the tires ended up wearing out together at the same time. But not as quickly compared to havimg the rear set flaming hot on medium.

 

[Pitracer100]

Oh gawd. Forgot NURBURGRINGKING!

Worst member ever!👍

Anyways, when I first started the game I thought it was tune the Ford GT to the max and forget A-Spec points exist.
Back then 60 A-Spec points were a struggle, but now 150 A-Spec pointers are more of my forte.
Never tune cars to the max and race them because that is just roasted overkill to the AI.👎

 

[Lancia stratos]

My easy way to 200pts without overkilling would be to race the pagani zonda (3rd version) and just give it nitro. Then enter the test course in dream car championship.

 

[Pitracer100]

My easy way to 200pts without overkilling would be to race the pagani zonda (3rd version) and just give it nitro. Then enter the test course in dream car championship.

I've heard of crazy ways to get 200 points but this sound like an 180 pointer to me.