don't hate drifting, It can be serious,

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Drifting is cool, (some of the top teams in japan use it to secure faster lap times,**but not on every corner**).It takes precise control and speed.Don't come here and knock it. Love it or hate it,

**if you are totally against it just leave,I don't like to here the "it's just sliding around a corner" descriptions:banghead: I thought there would be more drifters than this,but I guess thats just GT3:rolleyes:
 
well, GT3 has a much larger fanbase since GT2 has been out since 199(8?). i drift a bit, but it's all exhibition, so i don't know much about actually lowering times with it. welcome to GTP!
 
i like drifting, but i don't try to drift.....if i'm going around a corner and do a good drift i'll say "oh that was nice," but i don't drive to drift...........it does lower your times if you use it right though.
 
Actually, drifting only lowers lap times in GT2 when you have a very slow and tight corner to manuever. Otherwise, it's just for show...not of much interest to me. I only like a little drift when I know it's going to work on one corner a track, and only if it actually lowers lap times. Taking the long way around a corner will actually lose more time.

Please, keep it all to one thread about drifitng. There ought to be about 2-3 just in the last 20 days.
 
Originally posted by dori
Drifting is cool, (some of the top teams in japan use it to secure faster lap times,**but not on every corner**).It takes precise control and speed.Don't come here and knock it. Love it or hate it,

**if you are totally against it just leave,I don't like to here the "it's just sliding around a corner" descriptions:banghead: I thought there would be more drifters than this,but I guess thats just GT3:rolleyes:
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You made a thread for this? :rolleyes: Pa - leeze.
 
Well, my problem with 'drifting' (meaning touge drifting, or exhibition drifting) is that as many people have said, it is actually slower, except in very rare instances.

It does take great car control. It does take lots of practice. It is hard to do well.

But to me, if you're on a race course, you should bloody well race. I can understand people who have completed the game 100%, and who can race well enough to beat the Formula GT series in a Calsonic Skyline, etc. using it to keep the game interesting. Once I've mastered the game I may give drifting a try.

The real reason I have little interest in it is that it seems a lot of people bog down 60-70% through the game (or less), they can't beat some of the time trials, and they get into the Pro leagues where they can't drive a car with a lot more power than the competition, and they haven't learned how to really drive well, so they stop progressing in the game. Instead of learning how to drive properly, and being able to beat the AI with the same car, they turn to drifting instead.

"I can't win so I won't play!" doesn't do much as an attitude... yet based on the post histories, etc. it seems to be the underlying cause of many people's interest in drifting. That and the rise of 'Import Culture' in general, which I see as equally silly. The Japanese have a tendency to take something that is a side effect - like car control - and develop that beyond all reason into its own little world that is totally irrelevant to the original idea.

So, that's why I'm anti-drift for the most part. The behaviour of many of the drift fans themselves doesn't help much sometimes, either.
 
its not faster to drift at all....

but its fun.
the only thing i have against it ..... bugger, i aint going there. there will be blood shed
 
Originally posted by [Jetstorm]-R
naw. Drift is precision. precision needs to be fast.. not slow... :lol:
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Naw, rolling in the direction the wheels are pointed is fast. Accelerating in a line is fast. Sliding sidways is slow.
 
Will you pleaz quit ripping on drifting. It takes skill ,(you are jealous because drifting can be faster and ALWAYS looks better), don' beleive me? go to motor sports land and see wich is quicker drifting or grip?. Also in REAL-LIFE go down a touge mountain and have to cars and race them.(this really depends on the driver) but in drifting you can enter the turn much faster:D .

PEACE
 
Trust me. Normal high-performance driving is faster 98.735% of the time.

Spend a few minutes now and then flicking across the Speed Channel offerings. Touring cars? Massive grip. F1? Massive grip and downforce. Showroom Stock? As much grip as you can coax out of a largely-stock production car. World Challenge? Ditto, with a little downforce thrown in for good luck. NASCAR? As much grip and downforce as Bill France will let your team get away with this week.

Pretty much the only people you see getting sideways on purpose are WRC rally drivers (who I think are the best drivers on the planet) and dirt oval trackers. They both have to contend with a loose or slick surface, which makes oversteer an advantage for them. The only other time it's an advantage are on extremely (and I mean extremely) tight hairpins on tarmac.

At any other time, traction racing is faster. Get over it already.
 
Dori,

Then why can I beat the AI/computer's version of the Escudo at Pikes Peak with a Cultus? Because the Escudo is too busy drifting rather than racing. We've said it before, yes, drifting is ideal only at times when there are tight hairpin turns. Watch a WRC rally race every so often and you'll definitely see drifitng in action (one or twice a stage). And it's a matter of opinion whether you actually look better drifting.

Apparently, drifting looks cool to rich kids who have a lot of money to spend on tires, cambering-out their suspension, and make their shocks and struts unusable for any other sort of driving (like going to a grocery store). The reality is that drifting looks cool for a moment in time, but if you don't happen to get free tires for life or you're not an hier to the Goodyear/Yokohama empire, then it's rather wasteful.

The winner in any sort of auto race (with "laps") doesn't make extra pit stops for tires. The winner usually makes the least mistakes, conserves his tires, and uses the ideal line through a corner because it's safer and provides more grip because the racing line's been used before. Besides, many of the high-performance race cars used in GT2/3 ddon't have hand-brekes in real life; so hand-brake drifting is right out.

Hope this clears things up.
 
Originally posted by dori
Will you pleaz quit ripping on drifting. It takes skill ,(you are jealous because drifting can be faster and ALWAYS looks better), don' beleive me? go to motor sports land and see wich is quicker drifting or grip?. Also in REAL-LIFE go down a touge mountain and have to cars and race them.(this really depends on the driver) but in drifting you can enter the turn much faster:D .

PEACE
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But what matters is your exit speed, not entry speed. By the way, you have your own forum now. So this thread is absolutely pointless and obsolete. Buh-bye.
 
Originally posted by pupik
Dori,

Then why can I beat the AI/computer's version of the Escudo at Pikes Peak with a Cultus? Because the Escudo is too busy drifting rather than racing. We've said it before, yes, drifting is ideal only at times when there are tight hairpin turns. Watch a WRC rally race every so often and you'll definitely see drifitng in action (one or twice a stage). And it's a matter of opinion whether you actually look better drifting.

Apparently, drifting looks cool to rich kids who have a lot of money to spend on tires, cambering-out their suspension, and make their shocks and struts unusable for any other sort of driving (like going to a grocery store). The reality is that drifting looks cool for a moment in time, but if you don't happen to get free tires for life or you're not an hier to the Goodyear/Yokohama empire, then it's rather wasteful.

The winner in any sort of auto race (with "laps") doesn't make extra pit stops for tires. The winner usually makes the least mistakes, conserves his tires, and uses the ideal line through a corner because it's safer and provides more grip because the racing line's been used before. Besides, many of the high-performance race cars used in GT2/3 ddon't have hand-brekes in real life; so hand-brake drifting is right out.

Hope this clears things up.
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You'd think that this post, among many others, would clear things up. But no. For some reason they get so defensive, like it's a religion or something... wait... it's Japanese isn't it... everything they do is like a religion :rolleyes:

When I hear people talk about Initial D it sounds like some driving version of the Karate Kid. And I think that is very funny. Remember? You left the theatre (or your TV room) wanting to get a black belt, kick somebody's ass, then wax cars with Pat Morita.
 
I think in a way, forum "drifters" don't always see the correlation between:

Video game | Movie/anime | Real life

The physical rules of drifting apply themselves differently in each of these situations. I'm not knocking drifting in a video game (that what half of these forums in GTPlanet are here for!), but when the game's over, drifting is far less useful in real-life situations: whether driving to finish first in a race, or the mundane task of taking a 90-degree corner around your home.

Movies/anime are distorted images of real-life situations. Of course, the outcome of a movie will change because anything is permitted to happen. An AE86 can apparently beat a car with 50-100 more horsepower, because Takumi's the main character (he apparently is the Luke Skywalker/Frodo Baggins/hero of the story).

In a video game, someone's already provided specs for each of the "cars" and how they should handle. The "environment" in a video game is created and "enhanced" by the programmers. If they are into drifting, or making a certiain brand of car perform better than necessary, then they can do so. But a video game is not necessarily proof of reality. Like a movie, there is a script, and generally, you must follow the outcome. GT2 is special to me because you can create many different outcomes to finishing the game; I can choose to win the championship with an Escudo, a Chimaera, or a Shelby GT350.

Make distinctions between the illusory world of video games, movies, hearsay, propaganda, and real-life experiences.
 
Originally posted by milefile
But what matters is your exit speed, not entry speed.
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Thanks for mentioning this - it's the first thing I thought of, which of course means I promptly forgot to write it.

Dori, I'm not jealous at all. I have no desire to touge drift, just for its own sake. I wouldn't presume to say that you are jealous of people who can race normally...

"ALWAYS looks better" is a matter of personal opinion. You like it because you like the whole heroic cult that has built up around it. Personally, I prefer the image of a raw, powerful, technologically simple car cornering at the limit of its ability, balanced there by the skill of a fast driver like Stirling Moss or Dan Gurney or Juan Fangio. Those people have a driving skill that could be applied to any vehicle, anywhere - not one that only works under very specific circumstances, and is seen as something done only for its own sake.

Drifting is like being able to spin a basketball on one finger. It's hard to do, it takes great ball control, and it's flashy - but does anybody but the Harlem Globetrotters actually do that when they're competing? No.
Understand, I think you're perfectly welcome to enjoy the game in any way you wish. Just don't do it under false pretenses such as "drifting is qui[c]ker than grip". And don't confuse a video game with real life.
 
I don't see how pointing out factual information can he "hurting" anyone.

If you look at the manual for GT2 it specifically says that although "drifting" may look cool, it is slower and not an efficient way to race. It goes on to explain how to take a line through a corner and maximize exit speed.

And people have been saying drifting can be best for hairpin turns. Meh... If it happens fine. But It's still better to roll through a haripin turn and I know I can do it faster than any drifter. Any drifter who disagrees is more than welcome to challenge me. Pick a track with a good hairpin like the 2nd to last turn on Midfield and compare section times for that section.

So if drifting is faster, prove it. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
dude,pleaze this is a drifting thread,OK D-R-I-F-T, not "come over and hate on drifting". At time trials in japan some cars DO use drifting.I never meant for you "grip" guys to come over here and make your little smart remarks.That's the reason I made this one. To "shut up" people like you.:banghead: but you still came and ran your mouth.Just leave if you don't like drifting. **PEACE:cool:**
 
Originally posted by dori
dude,pleaze this is a drifting thread,OK D-R-I-F-T, not "come over and hate on drifting". At time trials in japan some cars DO use drifting.I never meant for you "grip" guys to come over here and make your little smart remarks.That's the reason I made this one. To "shut up" people like you.:banghead: but you still came and ran your mouth.Just leave if you don't like drifting. **PEACE:cool:**
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You have an entire forum all about drifting. Use it. Love it. You're missing so much. They're starting a league and are in the process of comming up with a name. You better scamper on over and get involved instead of trying to make converts in the GT2 forum.
 
Just red trough all of this. Huge - there´s a drifters only place, just for drifting like paratroops vs commandos kind of issue - fun. Drifting it is: which is faster? A db6 drifting or straight-lining. I´m not insinuating nothing just want to hear an opinion. What you drive in GT2 are cars so.. compare them - a camaro spinning or drawing a smooth corner or a bit of both? Something a bit hard: who can drift the cobra or the grifith timewise? Think of the Tigra ice and it´s a different situation. Guess goes with the track and car though a "drift" car (something more "driftable") can in terms of time laps be competitive while drifting, driving normaly, or mixing - always to some extent - a bit of both in some tracks while in others they don´t get to drift in a competitive way. take a ruf ctr2 sport. In some tracks - despite being a cool locked-brakes-in-low-corners car the underster is just horible in some faster corners. Now just for the sake of opinion: it does look really cool in a replay.
 
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