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Anyone here watching dragon Ball super? Your thoughts?
Dragon Ball super
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...Thoughts? Stopped watching after 7th episode. Why? The first half's a retread of "Battle of Gods" movie, but with more fluff. Also, rubbish animation. The voice cast sound tired/old. Music mostly sucks.
....And then, I saw the Japanese dub version, and wanted to kill myself. The voice actor for Goku was truly the worst. King Kai sounded drunk all the time. What else? Kid Trunks and Goten's antics grated on my nerves. Vegeta was reduced to a comic relief.
I could go on and on. NO THANKS. I'll stick with my collection of original Dragonball series from the 80s.
....And then, I saw the Japanese dub version, and wanted to kill myself. The voice actor for Goku was truly the worst. King Kai sounded drunk all the time. What else? Kid Trunks and Goten's antics grated on my nerves. Vegeta was reduced to a comic relief.
I could go on and on. NO THANKS. I'll stick with my collection of original Dragonball series from the 80s.
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Seriously? I've been a (Funi) dub watcher ever since I was introduced to the DB series and I have to say that the Japanese voices are just as superb. It certainly matches the character and personality that Toriyama himself saw in his characters. DBS is a slightly lighter series compared to its prequels and has the added element of slice of life. It's very touching to see the amount of character development you see in some of the characters since their introduction, namely Vegeta.
The music is definitely an improvement over the orchestral music you get in DBZ, and never did I feel the need to listen to Faulconer's music instead.
And animation is worse than what exactly? In DBZ the amount of variation in animators is so great that it became an actual annoyance. And sure, the best DBS animators can't hold a candle to the best DBZ animators, but no DBS animator has been as bad as the worse DBZ animators either. It's a tad more consistent.
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- Kimky
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I think it's fun, loving to be reunite with our beloved character. First part was just like the movie so it didnt interested me but the tournament was pretty fun. I stopped watching then tho and will resume when I get time. I like to see big chunk of episode in one time.
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I do like it, I think its actually the best Dragon Ball Series.
As for voice acting, I'm mixed. Krillin, Whis, Beerus and Goku are off putting but aside from that it is relatively good, better than the Funimation Dub of DBZ IMO. I agree with @1241Penguin on the music, it is absolutely fantastic in this series, constantly listen to it.
As for animation, it did get horrid after episode 5 but I think it's improved greatly, not to mention the Blu-ray releases fixes most of the issues.
I'm loving the Future Trunks arc right now, Goku Black is already my favourite villain in the franchise and I love seeing Super Saiyan Rose.
As for voice acting, I'm mixed. Krillin, Whis, Beerus and Goku are off putting but aside from that it is relatively good, better than the Funimation Dub of DBZ IMO. I agree with @1241Penguin on the music, it is absolutely fantastic in this series, constantly listen to it.
As for animation, it did get horrid after episode 5 but I think it's improved greatly, not to mention the Blu-ray releases fixes most of the issues.
I'm loving the Future Trunks arc right now, Goku Black is already my favourite villain in the franchise and I love seeing Super Saiyan Rose.
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...Yep. Seriously.
...A matter of opinion. I so much prefer the Eng dub over the Japanese. I was really, really shocked at how unprofessional Japanese VO sounded.
...Must be my old age, but I don't really remember any violins in DBZ soundtrack... But I do recall many instances of overwrought guitar-driven rock.
...Please, let's not go down this route. You know very well what I'm talking about. There are enough examples of stills taken from the show that clearly exposes the rubbish, obviously-rushed animation when searching the net.
....Not 100% sure where I heard it, but there was a story on the net of how this inconsistent quality came to be, and it was all to do with the English-dub distributors wanting to tone down the violence and sexual innuendo, necessiating several scenes, even entire episodes, redrawn.
....That's like saying VW Golf GTD is better than a Lancia Stratos because the Italian breaks down all the time, while the German doesn't. I'd still have the Lancia, thanks.
If you're irked by the up-and-down quality, you could give DBZ Kai series a go - personally I haven't seen them, but I hear it address issues with the original.
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So why not wait for the dub?
The orchestra music in the Japanese DBZ soundtrack.
No, I insist you specify what you're comparing it with. Because DBZ's animation isn't all that great either most of the time. Enter Uchiyama and Ebisawa, two of the worst animation directors whose animation studios worked at a much more frequent rate than other superior animators:
The lack of shading and detail is just the beginning of the quarrels with their animation. How about the awkward movements? Or the awful proportions at times? And let's not even begin on how off-model they look.
Here's a nice read: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/animation-styles/
For the record, Toei Animation has fixed the issue with re-releases of the show on Blu-Ray and as far as I'm aware has not allowed such a dip in quality since the first ten or so episodes. While the examples of screenshots on the internet are technically true, they're also mostly misleading because the DBZ screenshots are always from a near-still frame with the subject (e.g. Goku) being the main focus (not to mention taken from a DBZ movie which has a much higher budget), while the DBS screenshot is an action screenshot that lasts for a few milliseconds.
How exactly does saying, and I'm paraphrasing, "DBS has more consistent animation that is within the range of extremes you get in DBZ" translate to that analogy?
Apart from a few touch ups here and there, the animation is largely the same considering it's merely a remastered and recut version of the original DBZ. On the whole, not much has been improved.
I'm not saying that one show had better animation than the other, nor am I defending the legitimately bad animation in the earlier episodes of Super, but this whole "DBS animation sucks DBZ was best blah blah blah" thing has been blown completely out of proportion. It seems that some people can't let go of their nostalgia and must blast anything that isn't like the old series acting as if it were perfect in every way. I must admit that I initially found the whole idea of Super Saiyan God to be stupid because it seemed like Toriyama is setting the precedent that characters' power-ups were limitless, but having watched a few episodes and maintaining an open mind about it, I am actually absorbed into the show.
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...I might, if I have the time to spare.
...I only know the Funimation dubs for DBZ. Never seen the Japanese dub, but if the voice cast are the same, then I'll pass.
...Frankly, I've no idea who those fellas are, but considering the leaps and bounds in animation technology in the last two decades, some of the animation in early versions of DBS is shocking.
...I've never said DBZ's animation were the best. I merely said DBS's were rubbish. No point in trying to compare the two products that are separated by a big gulp in time, wouldn't you say?
...Are you refering to DBZ or DBS? I only have original DB on DVD. And yeah, it's Eng dub version.
...It works for me. Both are cars, both are sporty, both are Eurpoeans, but one is newer than the other and built with modern tech while the other, nailed together by a bunch of Italians on a coffee break. So, newer car is more consistent in the experience it delivers, while the older can entrall you or enrage you, depending on the date.
...Hey, me too!
...That might be true, but I have never made that comparison.
....You say that, as if that's totally a bad thing. But why? Honestly speaking, the original DB is more fun, more innovative, and dares to take more risks then either of DBZ or (as far as I've seen of it) DBS. So for some people, they do have a legit reason to continue wearing the rose-tinted glasses.
...I certainly didn't say that. The only time I may have implied that was when I stated "Vegeta turning into a comic relief," but still, it's a bit of jump don't you agree? Or perhaps you're not talking about me? In that case, sure, there are folks who do feel that way. It's their preference.
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Which is why earlier I asked:
Rather than just saying:
DBS.
A better analogy for me would be a GT-R versus a Ferrari. The GT-R does many things well while the Ferrari does few things extremely well.
That's what posts like this comes across as:
Because it's closed-minded? Because it limits perspective? Because it lacks reason?
You didn't. It's the general attitude that I observe amongst the "hardcore classic DB" fans who refuse to watch DBS because it isn't DB or DBZ. The closed-mindedness is absolutely stunning.
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....But I don't see how you were able to make the assumption that I was comparing DBZ's animation to DBS's. The conversation about DBZ's were intruduced by you, not me. Thus, I reply with:
...No dude, that won't work. Both GT-R and Ferrari "work" too well at what they are designed for nowadays. You need an Italian sports car that are, objectively speaking, terrible and nonsensical on most days. And I have to say, I'm slightly surprised that you didn't mention a Subaru instead of a Nissan judging by your profile pic...
...Then you took it out of context. It simply implies that "if to choose between the one I already own and the one I don't" then I'd stick with the one I have, since it seems to be a wiser choice.
...I gave out the potential reasons why it's not so bad to be nostalgic. Lacking reason to what, exactly? If you were burnt by the countless sequels and reboots that are in more ways than one inferior to the original, then you'd have every right in the world to be wary of the new stuff being churned out. It doesn't make these kind of people wrong.
...I'm not a hardcore fan, though...
At least I don't think so. Do I come across as one? Hmm. Also, I did watch DBS. Until the seventh episode, that is.
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Which was why I asked you to specify what you're comparing it with. I did not assume you were comparing with DBZ. I only brought up DBZ because it was one of two possibilities that you could've compared DBS's animation with. In fact, for the past three posts I've asked you to specify your comparison and each time you've given me a non-answer.
Your comparison didn't make sense at first and it still doesn't say anything now.
Implying I can't remain impartial and open minded? Please.
It's wiser because you've seen the first seven episodes and decided it was enough to make a judgement? Last I checked the first seven episodes of DB or DBZ weren't all that interesting either.
Except that you're making a judgement based on having seen seven episodes. Honestly, if you actually paid attention to the show you'll find that DBS returns to the light-hearted stories you get in DB mixed with the action you got in DBZ.
I mean, if you think it's okay to judge a show from the first seven episodes, then I've nothing else to say....I'm not a hardcore fan, though...
Also, I did watch DBS. Until the seventh episode, that is.
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...Wowsers, you're still insisting I compared DBS to something. Please go back and read my original post again. I'm quite interested to see just where I did that. Once more, you introduced the comparison, not me.
...Alright, let's leave that be. It's clear we won't go anywhere with it.
...No, I'm implying you seem to like Subarus so I was slightly surprised at your choice. Nothing more, nothing less.
...Ah, so it's about the fact that I didn't go past the seventh episode that's the sticking point now, is it. Well, tell me sir, in your book just how long must I give an activity time to impress me, before I give up and move onto, I dunno, something else I might enjoy more? I don't know your situation, but when there are lots of media to consume, and one has only a limited amount of time to spare, one must make a choice, and I made one.
...It's a matter of opinion, and I respect that.
...Paid attention to what, exactly? Those seven episodes? I did, and I didn't enjoy it, thus I stopped. If DBS gets better as you claim, then as I said before, I might take a gander at it, when I find the time.
...Yep, it's okay to decide whether you liked something or not. I mean, that's two and a bit hours of my life invested in something I ended up not enjoying. So yeah, perfectly fine.
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You said it had "rubbish animation." It must be relative to something else which has "good" or "superior" animation.
You can choose to stop watching it whenever you want. But I nevertheless think it's a bit silly to make conclusions about the entire show in seven episodes especially when it's largely agreed that it only gets better. Try watching the currently airing Future Trunks saga. It's my favourite saga thus far in DBS.
You see it as two hours of your life, I see it as only a small fraction of the total amount of episodes there will be in the show and thus an inaccurate representation of what the show is or will be like.
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...Exactly!! As simple as that.
...Nope. It simply wasn't pleasing to my eyes. There's no great conspiracy here, I'm afraid.
...Thank you. My point, that.
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How can something be considered bad unless you know what good looks like? Not a complicated idea.
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- HamiltonMP427
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I prefer how the Manga handles things, especially the Future Trunks sage. The whole time machanic is better explained there, I'm just confused about how does time work in DB after episode 61.
Granted, I actually do have low expectation of animation and I think DBS animation has always been fine, I can watch and focus on the epic fights and story moments.
True though IMO, that only excuses the story and characters for not being that diverse. Animation shouldn't be cut just because it is made for kids, shows don't get more inappropriate the more the animation.
Granted, I actually do have low expectation of animation and I think DBS animation has always been fine, I can watch and focus on the epic fights and story moments.
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Anyone who watched episode 61 want to tell me how the hell does time work anymore?
I thought you can only change history by rewinding time (like what Whis does), while travelling back in time just takes you to a different timeline.
I refuse to believe it. I believe both Future Zamasu and Goku Black are from different future timelines that wet to Future Trunks timeline because Beerus doesn't exist in Future Trunks timline (like said in the Manga)
I thought you can only change history by rewinding time (like what Whis does), while travelling back in time just takes you to a different timeline.
So Goku Black and Present Zamasu are the same person from the same timeline just that Goku Black is ahead of time.
Goku Black swapped bodies with Goku and killed Goku and his family before venturing to Future Zamasu. Future Trunks travelling back in time caused all that to be erased except for Goku Black due to the Time Ring plot armor
This makes no sense and just generates plot holes for multiple reasons:
Goku Black swapped bodies with Goku and killed Goku and his family before venturing to Future Zamasu. Future Trunks travelling back in time caused all that to be erased except for Goku Black due to the Time Ring plot armor
This makes no sense and just generates plot holes for multiple reasons:
- If Future Trunks didn't go to Timeline 1, Goku would've died by a heart virus and the Androids + Cell would wreck havoc, so how would Goku still be alive?
- If Goku Black already did it all in a stream and THEN Future Trunks travelled to Timeline 1, why on earth wasn't he anywhere in Future Trunks timeline during the Android saga, did visiting Future Zamasu take so long.
- When Goku confronted Zamasu about his plan on being immortal, Zamasu actually agreed it was true instead of swapping bodies with Goku. Future Zamasu even wished for immortality (albeit Future Goku is dead).
- If Future Zamasu is from Future Trunks timeline, WHY IN THE HELL DOES HE KNOW GOKU WHEN HE DIED OF A HEART VIRUS!?! (as he was obsessed with killing Goku like Goku Black)
I refuse to believe it. I believe both Future Zamasu and Goku Black are from different future timelines that wet to Future Trunks timeline because Beerus doesn't exist in Future Trunks timline (like said in the Manga)
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I don't know about you but 10-14 seems like the kids demographic to me. It's young impressionable boys that are easily awed by action and short yet humorous dialogue. Sprinkled with light hearted sexual innuendo. As is with nearly every shounen, so he was right to say it's target it audience is adolescent boys who are easier to refer to as children/kids.
Oh and the man children we are that also watch it.
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