drift...

about 2 weeks ago i bought a 1991 toyota camry wagon. yeah yeah yeah i know its a wagon but it goes ok. anyway, i was driving out to a friends place for new years and it was absolutly pissin down rain. even with highbeams on i could only see 3 foot infront of the car. it was pretty scary. my friend lives about 4km down a dirt road so i thought id be a bit of a dick in the slop. theres a pretty smooth cambered corner about halfway down the road.

i was doing around 60kmh in 4th gear with the rain still coming down i saw the corner, snapped it back to second, tromped the throttle and hooked it into the corner sideways with a little help from the handbrake. now because this is a front wheel drive car, it corrected itself and flung the back end out to the left and i overcorrected and ended up in a paddock about 20 metres off the road. my 3 other friends in the car were ****tin themselves and so was i, i could have killed them and myself.

moral - dont be a farkwit on slippery dirt roads in heavy rain :) . ill post some pictures of the car when it gets back from the mechanics thisafternoon. its getting new cv joints and a radiator.
 
What were you driving before?

I bought my first front drive car (also a wagon, an '88 Magna SE manual, with alloys and EFI, which is an Australian Mitsubishi that competes with the Camry) about the same time the BTCC was big (about '94) so we were seeing prominent front drive races for the first time.

I had done a lot of advanced driver training in rear drive cars (late 70's Corolla, and dad's old Falcon) but never in front drive. The disciplines are very different, as what works in a rear drive car when driving quickly can actually be quite dangerous in a front driver.

One thing people don't realise with front drive is that you can sometimes correct oversteer slides by accelerating. The natural state for a turning front drive car under power is understeer, which can neutralise the oversteer.

It's not intuitive and it is difficult, but it does catch a lot of people out!
 
yeah thats why i floored it in 2nd, so it had the rpm up to keep the power down and speed up so i didnt get too sideways...but well ha ha it was fun when i look back on it. i drove a VB commodore before that, it was crap, so i upgraded for a $10 000 camry. i like driving it and most importantly it does a burnout on bitumin upto second. its only a 2lt but goes hard till 7400rpm.
 
heres a few pics that i took yesterday, sorry about picture quality, my cameras el crappio.
 

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and the powerful 1998cc, DOHC (double overhead cam), fuel injected, five speed manual bucket o crap powerplant ha ha. it goes ok for a 2 lt i guess...wouldnt mind a 12psi turbo.... ;)
 

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lucky you. Kids in 02WRX's these days are trying to be Richard Burns and end up trashing alot of WRX's. Some end up killed, loosing a limb, etc.

Please don't try drifting in a public area. And don't STREET RACE!!
 
Kids in 02 WRX's need better parents...what kind of person would give their kid a brand new car with a fair bit of power for someone with no experience. you really have to ask that question
 
Parent who buy WRX's for thier kids are either stupid, or desparate for life insurance money.

I think my first child will get something with less than 100hp for his first car. I managed some fairly hairy moments in a 98hp Honda Accord.

On second thought, maybe a golf cart is all I'll trust them with. If they buy their own car, however, they can have whatever they want.
 
Stop with the parent bashing, If the kid has a lisence to drive, then the kid has demonstrated to the lisencing athorities the minimum knowledge need to operate a car safely.

Any car can be operated unsafely by a driver of any age.

When I learned to drive anything available was a 100 times more dangerous than anything a kid could drive new today.

Every car on average was probably 2000lbs heavier than todays conterpart, so that means longer braking distance. Oh yea and anti-lock breaks did'nt exist, nor did traction cotrol, air bags, or laws that require seat belts to be worn or insurance to had.

Bottom line ANYONE WHO DRIVES ARE THEMSELVES TOTALY RESPONCABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS BEHIND THE WHEEL.
 
Originally posted by Afrodeeziac
If the kid has a lisence to drive, then the kid has demonstrated to the lisencing athorities the minimum knowledge need to operate a car safely.

thats exactly right...the MINIMUM. The kid may think they can control any situation they get themselves or their friends into...but they cant and the parents are total ****wits if they give a kid a car like a WRX.
 
i've never been able to afford a performance driving school but i grew up racing friends on closed roads (mostly dirt) and with very mismatched vehicles. we used to sneak into a closed construction training site where by day students learned to operate graders and earthmovers so all day students built gravel roads over 20 acres for practice. the roads always changed so there was always a different circuit to run and it was all dirt and fine gravel with some intermediate asphalt sections. we used to sneak in and go drifting, do battle with any and every vehicle, i once ran a dead even race against an 86 honda crx with an '82 ford f150 pickup. we ran toyota 4wd trucks, chevy s10's hell i even brought my ford ranger out to play a few times, scrappile built ford tempo's nissan sentras, delta 88's or whatever people cpuld get ahold of to come out and session at night. there was nothing to hit or wreck on, except each other. we'd run 2 cars head to head, we never got busted, ever, cause it was a tight scene and only about 8 or 10 uf us were in on it. we ran hard, at night, on varying and far from perfect terrain, sometimes in rain. we drifted, traded paint, got dings, scratches, slid, skid, oversteer, pushed through corners, and drove with the intensity like we were running fia WRC. we learned a lot about control and the line where it goes away and we did it all, undercover, and never had a single injury or major damage to a vehicle. those days were tight, we were kids, we ewre all motorsports freaks who grew up racing no less than 4 different classes of r/c cars in the state points series both on road and offroad, we never missed a grand prix event when the series stopped in the city and we learned how to drive hard from trial and error. since those days i've had a confidence in being able to push cars to the edge if the situation arose and all that practice drifting saved my life a few times when i was confronted with red light runners and wrong way drivers while batttling traffic to commute. i can train a lobotomized monkey to get a d/l in the US, but it takes a whole hell of a lot more than just getting a license to be a safe driver. i'd feel a lot safer if everyone had to perform a few simple tests before getting a licvense and being released onto the roads such as a high speed emergency braking test both straight and on a curve wet and dry, some kind of skid/oversteer/spin recovery training, and possibly a few mild laps around something like an scca solo2 cone course, nothing extremely extreme, but enough to demonstrate control of the vehicle beyond simply pointing it where you want to go. i know it makes testing tougher buti believe it should be done. as a pilot i learned how to recover aircraft from unusual attitudes, stalls, aborted takeoffs andf landings, power losses, etc, and that is some of the first things you learn when you learn to fly. driving should be similar, and everyone should have at least a few hours of professional instruction in dealing with road hazards. this will not eliminate the problems on the road of the 16 year old landrocket pilots running into everything possible, but would save a lot of lives and reduce highway death statistics. i've seen several people have their first hard braking experience when it really counted and had no idea wht to do when they locked up because although they were taught to pump and modulate the brakes (or rely on abs) they were never taught in the car and when panic set in that they were gonna crunch the ass end of the vehicle in front, they just put the pedal to the floor, stood on it, and slid into the vehicle. I've gotten to do a lot of extreme driving in some not so performance oriented vehicles also, as i have been through courses on emergency vehicle code 3 driving (driving fire trucks, ambulances, tankers, pumpers) and have been properly trained how to do some really scary **** safely (or as safely as is possible)in a 26000 pound plus airbrake turbo diesel vehicle carrying firefighters and 500 gallons of sloshing water.

anyways, i guess what i wanted to say in a long drawn out rambling way is this:

practice. learn to drive hard safely so you know what to expect and do when it comes down to it. learn to drift and control it in a safe environment. progress slowly, know your limits and the vehicle's limits. learn to do stuff like j turns in an empty wet parking lot at low speed, learn how your vehicle handles outside it's normal range of operations. it will pay off one day when you find yourself sliding backwards towards an intersection after the old lady pulling out in front of you clipped your bumper in the rain or when you hit a lost fender or road debris on the highway and swap ends in heavy traffic(happened to me at dark in rush hour on i-95 in an astrovan while changing lanes)

sorryu this got so ong i just started ranting and raving and had to spill all this out

Peace ouT
 
well said.

when i got my license i was 22 but i had already been working for 3 years and did up a 72 torana with a 383ci twin turbo chev V8. i admit it had a lot more power than i could use on suburban streets. over 600 horses and thats a lot of power to have even if your a pro driver.

i didnt get the chance to kill myself or anyone else for that matter because the cops looked under the bonnet at a random breath test. it was taken away from me which wasnt exactly a bad thing.

that was what i learned to drive in and i tell you i learned a bit about oversteer. you give it too much on the right foot and the ass end just swung out. very bad when turning at lights or trying to race through an orange light.

i drove it around my uncles paddock for 2 years before i got my license and knew what the car was capable of and i was very confident as a driver but it still doesnt change the fact that ****wits allow their kids to have cars like this.

sorry mum.
 
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