Drifter´s question for the Drag Community.

[Lazy Liquid]

Ok, im not here to create any fuzzy. But id like to show you this thread, and ask what is your point of view about this all.

The main question is:
Is it possible to use the same tunning for Drag and Drifting? (don´t laugh)

Also, i´d like to share my point of view:
- You guys are far beyond more advanced in tunning than the drifting community. Plus, you know some tricks that we actualy don´t, related to the game itself.
- Drifting tunning is much more oriented for the drifter´s style, while the drag tunnings are much more oriented to take the best from a car running straight.

 

[YourSlaggyNan]

I had to read over that thread 4 times cause how badly written it was, and yes it's possible to use a drag tune for drifting. It will mainly only work for RWD cars which have high camber and toe levels. However i have seen people drifting Bugatti Veyrons and Nissan GT-R r35

 

[Swara]

Hi!

First of all, having a 90 split on a 4WD in drag is not sensible. We aim for either 45/55, or 40/60 in drag racing. It isn't possible to have a drift-tuned car for drag, but IT IS possible to have a drag-tuned car for drift.

There are some "tips and tricks" in order to make a very good drag car. One is flipping the transmission. There are two ways to do this. The first way is to put the final all the way to the right, and then put the max speed slider all the way to the left, then setting the final to trap speed. The other one is to reset the transmission, put a certain final, put the max speed slider all the way to the left, and then put your final all the way to the left (this particular method will make your car run faster). There are some more, but let me know if I should continue. LeoLeon doesn't really know what he's talking about, though.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

I had to read over that thread 4 times cause how badly written it was, and yes it's possible to use a drag tune for drifting. It will mainly only work for RWD cars which have high camber and toe levels, for example my Dodge Charger does a pretty good job.

Explain better. So you believe that a good drag tune can hold decent lines over and over with no minimal change? And following the concept, then a proper drifting tune can be usable for drag too, with good results?

By the way, drag racing cars uses high camber and toe levels?
How high?

EDIT:
swara already answered some of my questions.

 

[YourSlaggyNan]

Explain better. So you believe that a good drag tune can hold decent lines over and over with no minimal change? And following the concept, then a proper drifting tune can be usable for drag too, with good results?

By the way, drag racing cars uses high camber and toe levels?
How high?

EDIT:
swara already answered some of my questions.

1) hold decent lines over and over with no minimal change? - Yes in most cases
2) a proper drifting tune can be usable for drag too - A drag tune to a drifting tune will most likely work, but vice versa may not be the same. The transmission will have to be adjusted depending on the length of the drag track.

 

[Mikeybc]

On RWD cars rear toe can be as high as 1.00, but many work better around .65- .75, Adding toe effective "widens" the tire, it increases the traction and you'll see your g's increase. turn a sheet of paper sideways a littl bit and you'll see what I mean.

On RWD front toe of -1.00 somehow makes it quicker, I don't know why. And front camber of 3 - 5 seems to help too, again I don't know why.

Never use camber on any driven wheels

 

[Slash]

Yes they work well, they hold very well. in fact its common to drift on the way to the strip

 

[dr_slump]

Drag tunes usually don't work well for drifting.
The only thing you can use for drifting is the tranny, but which must be tuned with a good length or in other words for a decent distance.


And please don't start with AWD cars.... just don't.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Drag tunes usually don't work well for drifting.
The only thing you can use for drifting is the tranny, but which must be tuned with a good length or in other words for a decent distance.


And please don't start with AWD cars.... just don't.

Now the thread is starting to go where i imagined it would, and should. 👍

 

[dr_slump]

The problem is the way a typical RWD drag tune looks like.
It's often like the following:

Ride Height: Min-Max/Max (front depending on car and distance)
Spring Rate: High/Low (yes, there are extreme, but relatively rare exceptions)
Extension: Meh/Meh
Compession: Meh/Meh (dampers only matter when using soft springs and under other certain circumstances; rare case too)
Bars: Meh/Meh (absolutely doesn't matter for drag racing)
Camber: about 2.0-5.0/0.0
Toe: -1.00 (1/4) - -0.20 (3k; rarely below this value)/+0.00 (∼ min in 3k) - +1.00 (max in 1/4) (rear toe for 1/4 is usually in the upper half -> +0.50 - +1.00, therefore way too high for drifting)


LSD could easily be tuned for drifting, because it doesn't make a difference when driving a straight line.

Tranny should be alright, but you might find the first gear (or whatever gear you start in) a bit too long for drifting.

 

[Swara]

The problem is the way a typical RWD drag tune looks like.
It's often like the following:

Ride Height: Min-Max/Max (front depending on car and distance)
Spring Rate: High/Low (yes, there are extreme, but relatively rare exceptions)
Extension: Meh/Meh
Compession: Meh/Meh (dampers only matter when using soft springs and under other certain circumstances; rare case too)
Bars: Meh/Meh (absolutely doesn't matter for drag racing)
Camber: about 2.0-5.0/0.0
Toe: -1.00 (1/4) - -0.20 (3k; rarely below this value)/+0.00 (∼ min in 3k) - +1.00 (max in 1/4) (rear toe for 1/4 is usually in the upper half -> +0.50 - +1.00, therefore way too high for drifting)


LSD could easily be tuned for drifting, because it doesn't make a difference when driving a straight line.

Tranny should be alright, but you might find the first gear (or whatever gear you start in) a bit too long for drifting.

If you have a car that is front heavy, having a different spring rate than the norm will help.

 

[dr_slump]

If you have a car that is front heavy, having a different spring rate than the norm will help.

I said relatively rare

 

[Slash]

^^^^Almost all my FR cars have the exact opposite spring rates.

 

[Swara]

I said relatively rare

I know, I was just stating it anyway.

 

[kennyblanco]

The main question is:
Is it possible to use the same tunning for Drag and Drifting? (don´t laugh)

In a word - no. I mean you could, but the car would perform poorly at whichever it isn't tuned for. You can drag or drift with a even stock car, but tuning it specifically for the task you wish to perform will net you the best results. Drag and drifting are two totally different disciplines with two totally different goals. A car tuned for drag would drift about as well as a drift car would do at the drag strip. Just because you can hold a line for a couple corners doesn't make it a good drift car much the same as a drag tune wouldn't make for a good circuit tune.

 

[Slash]

In a word - no. I mean you could, but the car would perform poorly at whichever it isn't tuned for. You can drag or drift with a even stock car, but tuning it specifically for the task you wish to perform will net you the best results. Drag and drifting are two totally different disciplines with two totally different goals. A car tuned for drag would drift about as well as a drift car would do at the drag strip. Just because you can hold a line for a couple corners doesn't make it a good drift car much the same as a drag tune wouldn't make for a good circuit tune.

While that can be true for some cars, I still beleive that drag tunes can perform halfway decently for drag cars. Personal opinion.

 

[kennyblanco]

While that can be true for some cars, I still beleive that drag tunes can perform halfway decently for drag cars. Personal opinion.

I agree drag tunes work well on drag cars.👍

But I'm guessing you meant drag tunes work ok for drifting. I have to disagree with you on that one bud. Like I said you may be able to hold a line for a couple corners but for drifting (real drifting) you need to consistently hold a line.

 

[KTalloutdrags]

suspension wise drag wont really work... now transmission wise drag transmissions are the best way to go due to them being quite smooth and allowing alot of power to be maintained in highe gears more consistantly providing much cleaner and consistant drifts, pending on the track they may need to be streched though.

now 4wd if that is your desire, the only massive change is the torque split. in all honesty i take my drag cars nearly every week, change the suspension, throw on confort hards and drift them.

 

[Slash]

My mistake Kenny, yes that's what I meant.


I've never had an issue drifting with drag tunes, but I'm not a drifter so I guess I wouldn't know.

 

[dr_slump]

^^^^Almost all my FR cars have the exact opposite spring rates.

ugly 1/4mile

The handful 1/4 cars I ever touched needed mostly soft rear springs.

 

[Slash]

ugly 1/4mile

The handful 1/4 cars I ever touched needed mostly soft rear springs.

I've had exceptional results. Works very well. Mostly on front heavy cars though.

 

[dr_slump]

I've had exceptional results. Works very well. Mostly on front heavy cars though.

Yeah I know, I have some cars for 3k tuned like this. Supra and Cuda as example.

 

[Slash]

Yeah I know, I have some cars for 3k tuned like this. Supra and Cuda as example.

Yup, same for 1/4.