Driver aids in formula one. What changes would you make?

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by wee_man
What the hell!?!?!?
Did they get a drunk monkey to design that thing or what!??!
I remember that car and man did it make children cry at the ugliness of that thing.

Speaking of McLaren did anyone remember that race at Herez I think in 1995/6 when Ron Dennis asked if Frank Williams or Flavio Briatore (can't remember who or when) would pull there drivers over and let Mika Hakkinen win. They did as well. Or maybe I dreamt it...hmmm...i was taking some dodgy stuff at the time...

Yes. If you're spelling it phonetically, you would want to spell it "Hereth", Vat has the correct actual spelling.

That was also the same race where Villeneuve, Frentzen and Michael Schumacher all qualified with the exact same time.

I don't think the caption P3 +0.000 is something that we'll ever see again.

 

[wee_man]

I always spell it incorrectly (<= which is probably spelt wrong). Maybe I should see if my dad recorded that race. That sounded like a good race. Wasn't it that last time they used Jerez on the F1 calender.

Also I was thinking, to improve some of the racing it might be an idea for them to have a look at some of the circuits on the calender and think about replacing them. Monaco's a good example. It's a good historical and fantastic track in my opinion, but F1 cars have developed to far nowadays for the track IMO.

 

[vat_man]

Originally posted by wee_man
Also I was thinking, to improve some of the racing it might be an idea for them to have a look at some of the circuits on the calender and think about replacing them. Monaco's a good example. It's a good historical and fantastic track in my opinion, but F1 cars have developed to far nowadays for the track IMO.

Nowadays! I think the cars were too developed for the track for the first GP they had there!

 

[Brett]

Definitely get rid of launch control. The driver should have to launch the car, not a computer. I would almost like to see traction control go and put more emphasis on the driver having to actually drive the car. But for some reason I don't see it leaving.

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by wee_man
I always spell it incorrectly (<= which is probably spelt wrong). Maybe I should see if my dad recorded that race. That sounded like a good race. Wasn't it that last time they used Jerez on the F1 calender.

Yes, it was the last time that a race was held there. There was a fiasco with the podium ceremony, and Bernie was very unhappy. You know what happens when Bernie's unhappy...

Originally posted by wee_man
Also I was thinking, to improve some of the racing it might be an idea for them to have a look at some of the circuits on the calender and think about replacing them. Monaco's a good example. It's a good historical and fantastic track in my opinion, but F1 cars have developed to far nowadays for the track IMO.

Well you either need to redesign the cars or the circuits. In the aftermath of 01.05.1994, a lot of the circuits were redesigned, and not in a good way. I would say that Imola's current problems are directly related to the insertion of the Tamburello and Villeneuve chicanes into what was the Tamburello corner.

Now, with increasing crash test strengths, plus the proliferation of tarmac run-off areas, I think it's time to start making some of the tracks a bit more manly.

That plus the circuit designers need to realise that long-straight-into-fast-corner is no good at all if the long straight is preceded by a fast corner, because the following car will lose too much ground to get a tow down the straight. It's no coincidence that there's a lot of passing into Turn 1 at Malaysia, because it's slow corner into long straight into slow corner. Contrast this with Barcelona, where it's almost impossible to pass because Turn 13 is so fast.

 

[Bollocks#999]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
OMG, the "Mansell Thing": McLaren's worst period ever, bar none.

sorry to get back on it, but you are forgetting a fat sook from the States arnt(sp) you?

Was never as good as his father

 

[wee_man]

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Yes, it was the last time that a race was held there. There was a fiasco with the podium ceremony, and Bernie was very unhappy. You know what happens when Bernie's unhappy...

Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Well you either need to redesign the cars or the circuits. In the aftermath of 01.05.1994, a lot of the circuits were redesigned, and not in a good way. I would say that Imola's current problems are directly related to the insertion of the Tamburello and Villeneuve chicanes into what was the Tamburello corner.

Now, with increasing crash test strengths, plus the proliferation of tarmac run-off areas, I think it's time to start making some of the tracks a bit more manly.

That plus the circuit designers need to realise that long-straight-into-fast-corner is no good at all if the long straight is preceded by a fast corner, because the following car will lose too much ground to get a tow down the straight. It's no coincidence that there's a lot of passing into Turn 1 at Malaysia, because it's slow corner into long straight into slow corner. Contrast this with Barcelona, where it's almost impossible to pass because Turn 13 is so fast.

Again I have to agree with you. I can only hope that the new GP's from Barain and where ever have circuits where the drivers can actually pass. Thats one of the main reasons why I like the old Hockeheim GP. It actually had long straights seperated by tight chicanes. Okay there wasn't always passing with i, but it was better than some of the other tracks we have today. It's more about safety and money than racing any more. Not that I'm saying safety's a bad thing.
Also I remember San Marino (Imola's the other Italian GP similar to the old Hockenheim - long straights with tight chicanes) having some good racing and passing manouvers into the harpin (at the beginning of the lap, forgot what it's called). This was though in 1994 and before as they then made the modifications to the track.

 

[SandStorm]

Originally posted by vat_man
- ban the paddles behind the wheel, and introduce a lever giving either sequential shift or a H pattern
- put a clutch pedal in the cars.

These two are a bit of a bother, as there's simply not much room in an F1 cockpit - only room enough for two feet on the pedals and two hands on the wheel. Should we think wider?

 

[GilesGuthrie]

Originally posted by Bollocks#999
sorry to get back on it, but you are forgetting a fat sook from the States arnt(sp) you?

Was never as good as his father

No, I don't regard that as McLaren's worst period. Sure, it was Michael's worst period, and I think he could have made something of it had he moved to the UK or Monaco, and based himself out of Europe. But I think that all the travelling did for him because it took up too much time, and there was too much jetlag involved. And when you're dealing with people as focussed as Senna and Hakkinen, you really don't want to be introducing those distractions.

But I think that McLaren's decision to hire him was fundamentally sound.

 

[T13R]

You guys have some pretty good ideas, but the thing I would like to see most is a return to slicks. No more grooved pos tires. Thats my beef on F1 i guess. If this has been said before, sorry. I didnt take the time to completely read thru the thread.

 

[wee_man]

Yeah that's is one thing I'd be more than merrier to see make a come back. That's one of the things Damon Hill hated just before he left about F1. And a part of the reason why he left. He just didn't enjoy driving anymore, mainly down to the tyres.