Driver rating

[Spurgy 777]

@Famine here's the breakdown as far as I can tell back to day 16 on my stats;

So I've mostly figured out;

• The date of each race
• The day according to my stats
• The rough points for that day
• My finishing position for that race
• Whether the race was a daily sports mode race or nations cup
• And my rank in the lobby.

I'm pretty certain on all the races to the race before I got S rank which was day 21 except for day 28 as I'm not entirely sure how many daily races I did, pretty sure it was 1 or 2. After that I'm not sure if I raced between the 8th and 14th of December, if I did then that 200 points wouldn't apply to the race I won where I was 4th highest rank. Let me know what you think.

 

[Milouse]

I'm not sure if @Milouse can get data on specific races or even dates so I can vaguely figure out how many points I got for what.

No, i can't access such historical data.

 

[GTFraker]

The biggest element influencing DR points is your finishing position compared to where you started on the grid. Qualifying awards a small amount of points as well but if you finish lower than the position started the race at, you will lose points regardless.

 

[Famine]

Let me know what you think.

You've got one that's waaaay too high and a couple that are too low, but everything else just fits with my data.

I wonder if there's something odd about DR S... I've never been that high to log data from up there, and won't be for about a month or two yet.

The biggest element influencing DR points is your finishing position compared to where you started on the grid.

Nope. It's your finishing position compared to the middle of the grid at the matchmaking screen.

Qualifying awards a small amount of points as well

Possibly, but it's within the error margins of my data so far.

but if you finish lower than the position started the race at, you will lose points regardless.

Nope. So long as you finish in the top half of the field, you will gain points regardless. I have a race from Monday where exactly that happened - starting on pole, finishing 4th and gaining 251pt.

251pt is a little higher (less than 10%) than my expected value for my finishing position within that grid size, which is why - like you - I suspect that your starting position has an effect. But, obvious anomalies aside, my error margins are around 10% too, so it could just be standard deviation.

Perhaps it's time to set up a shared Google Doc with raw values for as many people as possible.

 

[Spurgy 777]

You've got one that's waaaay too high and a couple that are too low, but everything else just fits with my data.

The one that's way too high is where I ranked up, so maybe when you go up a rank you get some extra points? I'll do another daily race today and see how many points I get.

 

[Famine]

The one that's way too high is where I ranked up, so maybe when you go up a rank you get some extra points?

You do indeed - around 1,200, give or take.

 

[250Cal]

Your last example there is within 11pt of the predicted value for that race, but the others are a little stranger (one particularly so). I've got a couple of anomalous results myself (both from v1.08, actually), but over 100 races they're not enough to affect the statistics.

I've had races where I've won but lost SR (between -1 and -3), where I've won but gained SR (between +1 and +6) and where I've won but remained stable, and all gave me roughly the same number of DR points per position. And these have been at SR B, C, D and E, and DR B, C and D. I've also lost roughly the same number of DR points per position with last place finishes, despite gaining (up to +6), not moving or losing (up to -14) SR in that race.

I've also been careful to finish in as many different positions as I can to check the DR points per position, and the numbers always line up to within 10%. Often far less.

I've sent you a PM.

For my data set my correlation between points and finishing position isn't high enough to say that finish position is the only factor. Dominant, yes, but there are other things at play.

The biggest element influencing DR points is your finishing position compared to where you started on the grid.

Wrong.

Qualifying awards a small amount of points as well

Not sure.

if you finish lower than the position started the race at, you will lose points regardless.

Wrong.

 

[PirovacBoy]

What I experienced a few times is that i had Pole Position, door Number 1 finished 1st and yet I lost Dr. It was in a room full of D‘s I was the only S. So I think it mainly depends on SoF how many points you can get or loose. In a room Full of A‘s and 2 S’s I was door Number 1 had Pole finished 1st and got 392Points. I never won more points in a single race as far as I know.

 

[250Cal]

What I experienced a few times is that i had Pole Position, door Number 1 finished 1st and yet I lost Dr. It was in a room full of D‘s I was the only S. So I think it mainly depends on SoF how many points you can get or loose. In a room Full of A‘s and 2 S’s I was door Number 1 had Pole finished 1st and got 392Points. I never won more points in a single race as far as I know.

Are these lobbies or daily races?

@Famine here's the breakdown as far as I can tell back to day 16 on my stats;

View attachment 703615

So I've mostly figured out;

• The date of each race
• The day according to my stats
• The rough points for that day
• My finishing position for that race
• Whether the race was a daily sports mode race or nations cup
• And my rank in the lobby.

I'm pretty certain on all the races to the race before I got S rank which was day 21 except for day 28 as I'm not entirely sure how many daily races I did, pretty sure it was 1 or 2. After that I'm not sure if I raced between the 8th and 14th of December, if I did then that 200 points wouldn't apply to the race I won where I was 4th highest rank. Let me know what you think.

I think you need data by race.

 

[Spurgy 777]

I think you need data by race.

There is no data by race, only data by day as far as I can tell.

 

[250Cal]

There is no data by race, only data by day as far as I can tell.

It updates after every race on the database I've been using.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Are these lobbies or daily races?

Ahm, Daily Races of course or have you ever gained Dr or Sr in Lobbies?!

 

[Spurgy 777]

It updates after every race on the database I've been using.

Well that’s not too helpful if you haven’t been tracking it. Famine asked for information and that’s as much as I can give without having tracked it.

Besides, considering most days I only did one race, that is practically data by race.

 

[Famine]

I've sent you a PM.

I was thinking about that when I mentioned the GoogleDoc - I've just been out and about a bit today and haven't had time to get back to you

For my data set my correlation between points and finishing position isn't high enough to say that finish position is the only factor. Dominant, yes, but there are other things at play.

I'm not sure that it's the only factor, but the error margins for it are as large or larger than the amount other factors may contribute.

There is no data by race, only data by day as far as I can tell.

You can find it directly through the GT Sport website - although you have to use your browser's development tools to inspect the page*, and it's a bit of a pest. Amazingly it updates pretty much the instant the results screen says "Result Confirmed".

 

[250Cal]

Ahm, Daily Races of course or have you ever gained Dr or Sr in Lobbies?!

I don't race in lobbies so didn't know.

ETA.

To give some further context, I was asking because all my data is from dailies and FIA. Based on which a negative DR for finishing first has more to it IMO. Perhaps a relegation in DR category itself.

 

[250Cal]

I'm not sure that it's the only factor, but the error margins for it are as large or larger than the amount other factors may contribute.

Right now, I'd say it's about 85% but that's on a small data set.

On an even more limited data set I'd say SR S gives more DR points than SR A, for a DR A.

 

[PirovacBoy]

W

I don't race in lobbies so didn't know.

ETA.

To give some further context, I was asking because all my data is from dailies and FIA. Based on which a negative DR for finishing first has more to it IMO. Perhaps a relegation in DR category itself.

Well who knows, just strange winning a race and loosing dr.

 

[gmaki]

Funny last night I started logging the data. If there is going to be a shared doc, what criteria should we all be capturing? As of last night I started capturing:

1. Starting DR points
2. Ending DR points
3. Change in DR POints
4. Number of entries
5. Door Number
6. Start Position on Grid
7. Finishing Position

And yes I have to ear my words about door #, I was seeing my livery door # on the splash screen and it does not get assigned until matchmaking. And in the two races logged so far I have gained when I finished better than my Door #, and lost when I did worse.

Also if I understand correctly, the door # corresponds to the following finishing posiiotn


Rank....Door
1 1
2 10
3 11
4 12
5 13
6 14
7 15
8 16
9 17
10 18
11 19
12 2
13 3
14 4
15 5
16 6
17 7
18 8
19 9
20 20

 

[250Cal]

W

Well who knows, just strange winning a race and loosing dr.

Yes. I don't see a way that can happen. I wouldn't have said it was possible at this point.

I'm off to look at your profile!

Edit. I don't have any DR S data.

At DR A, you'd be seeing DR pts in excess of 400 regularly.

Given a max limit of 60k on DR Pts I can see the relationship between results and points changing as the game would have a higher expectation of result and you can/will hit a limit. Same with SR S, you could have a 13pt SR race but get nothing because you're 99 already (or indeed less than 13 if you were 87 or more at the start).

 

[PirovacBoy]

Yes. I don't see a way that can happen. I wouldn't have said it was possible at this point.

I'm off to look at your profile!

Edit. I don't have any DR S data.

At DR A, you'd be seeing DR pts in excess of 400 regularly.

Given a max limit of 60k on DR Pts I can see the relationship between results and points changing as the game would have a higher expectation of result and you can/will hit a limit. Same with SR S, you could have a 13pt SR race but get nothing because you're 99 already (or indeed less than 13 if you were 87 or more at the start).

As far as I remember when I lost dr although finishing 1st, was somewhere while being in Dr.A and the last few times loosing Dr despite winning was when I promoted to Dr.S . I had 1 race where I lost 1200 points starting 1st. punted off track and finishing 11th. And I quit 2 times during warm up because again I was matched in a very weak field with only D‘s and C’s knowing I can’t win points. Huge mistake. I lost 2400Points for quitting 2 times. I didn’t knew I would loose points as I never quit a race before.

 

[250Cal]

As far as I remember when I lost dr although finishing 1st, was somewhere while being in Dr.A and the last few times loosing Dr despite winning was when I promoted to Dr.S . I had 1 race where I lost 1200 points starting 1st. punted off track and finishing 11th. And I quit 2 times during warm up because again I was matched in a very weak field with only D‘s and C’s knowing I can’t win points. Huge mistake. I lost 2400Points for quitting 2 times. I didn’t knew I would loose points as I never quit a race before.

-1200 for 11th tells me there's more to it than finishing position. It's hard to put a number against SoF in itself, which I'd say is likely to be one factor. Lost positions in this instance, too, perhaps.

Yes, quitting out bombs your rating.

 

[cleanLX]

It's all very confusing...
So, on the website, how do I go back and look at points by race on a particular day?
I ask, because on Nords in 5 races I gained 4000points... yet never won a race, went backwards in 2 races(last in one if I recall), and never gained more than a spot or maybe 2 in the other 2 races and went from maybe 5th-ish to 2nd on my last race and called that good.
I had a decent qualifying, and was getting placed with Dr.S and Dr.A... maybe 2-3 of us B guys rounded out the field.
Seemed like a lot of points for an "also ran".

 

[Spurgy 777]

@Famine was looking at @Doodle's stats and he seems to have been stuck around 66,000 for ages yet he's won 116 races out of 148. Maybe he can shed some light on exactly what results he's been getting recently but it seems like it would completely go against your findings as I imagine he is rarely outside of the podium if ever.

http://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1403798

 

[Famine]

@Famine was looking at @Doodle's stats and he seems to have been stuck around 66,000 for ages yet he's won 116 races out of 148. Maybe he can shed some light on exactly what results he's been getting recently but it seems like it would completely go against your findings as I imagine he is rarely outside of the podium if ever.

Out of interest, what's the smallest number of races you're aware of someone managing to complete before reaching DR S?

My rough estimate says it should be possible in 31 races.

 

[250Cal]

I got to 49,600 pts in 25 days but at SR B so never reached S and it's been downhill since, well, up and down.

I think, based on what I have, and 50,000 points for S then 35 races if you ace the lot in strong fields.

Is there an upper limit on DR points overall i.e. 60,000?

ETA.

Didn't they also change the boundaries for rankings at some point?

I know some of my friends went up ranks without playing the game as something was changed.

 

[Spurgy 777]

Out of interest, what's the smallest number of races you're aware of someone managing to complete before reaching DR S?

My rough estimate says it should be possible in 31 races.

I did it in 50 races and haven't heard of anyone doing it in less, but then I haven't asked many people. I know another TRL driver did it in about 60 something so I imagine 50-60 would be quite common for the top guys. Mine was probably a bit faster because my wheel broke near the beginning of the game, so when I actually got round to ranking up it took a while for me to be matched with the top guys.

Also, no weird results from todays races, did 4 all around 800 points per race for finishing in the top 3 with about 10 other S ranks.