Driving lower speeds in a high gear

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I was doing some research this morning and came across a post on a forum that said something about accelerating your car from a low speed in a higher gear puts too much pressure on your engine. For example, when rolling up to a red light and it turns green when I'm doing ~5 mph I'll leave it in 2nd gear and accelerate away, using the low rpm torque of the motor. This could be anywhere from 1,300-1,600 rpm. Depending on the speed I'm traveling, I'll pretty much do this in any gear.

Bad for the motor? I know it's better for mileage which is why I've been doing it. Filled up last night and got 37.6 mpg on the last tank. 👍
 
Well, have you every put your bicycle on high gear and tried to get it going from a standstill? How much more difficult was it on your legs to do that than using a lower gear instead? The example's exaggerated to illustrate my point.

I would have switched to 2nd or even 3rd maybe when I'm going a little faster than 5 mph... as 5mph sounds a little too early to switch gears to me.

I haven't even driven a car in my life, what experience do I even have?! :lol:
 
That all sounds fine. Just don't push the throttle hard when at low revs in a high gear.

Up to now, I pretty much only used 1st when I was stopped. If there was any form of forward motion, 2nd would used. It's different in the 8 though due to the lack of low down torque and I use 1st at 5mph or under. It can cope with 2nd at those speeds, but take up is slower.
 
I would have switched to 2nd or even 3rd maybe when I'm going a little faster than 5 mph... as 5mph sounds a little too early to switch gears to me.

I meant if I was coasting to a stop at a light, it turns green and I'm just coasting at 5 mph, I'll put it in 2nd and accelerate away. Or if it's a higher speed, 3rd gear, etc.
 
Oh so you're never really "stopped" at all is what you're saying? Got that need for speed, don'tcha? :sly:
 
Oh so you're never really "stopped" at all is what you're saying? Got that need for speed, don'tcha? :sly:

Not stopped if I don't need to be. I'm different that a lot of people where if I see a light is red from a long way off I'll just coast up to the light instead of speeding up to it and braking to a stop. I don't like stopping if I don't have to, owning a manual transmission car. ;)
 
Doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. Certainly won't damage the engine.

Most engines will handle that fine. What you don't want to be doing is labouring the engine where it's chugging away at tickover in a high gear, struggling to pull. Taxi drivers in the UK do it all the time in the mistaken assumption that it'll save them fuel, when they spend so much time accelerating with the engine labouring they'd have done better to change down a gear to accelerate and then change up at a suitable speed.

It sounds like you're driving pretty much as I would, to be honest.
 
Doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. Certainly won't damage the engine.

Most engines will handle that fine. What you don't want to be doing is labouring the engine where it's chugging away at tickover in a high gear, struggling to pull. Taxi drivers in the UK do it all the time in the mistaken assumption that it'll save them fuel, when they spend so much time accelerating with the engine labouring they'd have done better to change down a gear to accelerate and then change up at a suitable speed.

It sounds like you're driving pretty much as I would, to be honest.

This. People think that revs matter much more than they do and end up using gas that ends up going to waste as their car struggles to accelerate.

I do this too.
 
How do you drive towards a red light? Becaus I see many people doing this 'wrong' too. Let's say, you driving in 4th gear, light turns red, what do you do? Alot of people just put their foot on the clutch and change gear till they stopped or the light turns green again.. I always downshift towards a red light, and only put the clutch down when the rpm is going below 1000. This way you save fuel and use the engine to brake.. So if you are driving towards a red light, downshift and what I do is let the clutch go up slowly becaus this helps braking too. When the light turns green again and you are in second and above 900/1000rpm, just accelerate.

When in third, around 1000rpm, light goes green, you can also downshift to second and tap the gas pedal, to match the engines rpm with your gearbox. I'm not sure this is good for fuel though.
 
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How do you drive towards a red light? Becaus I see many people doing this 'wrong' too. Let's say, you driving in 4th gear, light turns red, what do you do? Alot of people just put their foot on the clutch and change gear till they stopped or the light turns green again.. I always downshift towards a red light, and only put the clutch down when the rpm is going below 1000. This way you save fuel and use the engine to brake..

My car has a "surging" issue when coasting in gear for some reason, so I try to avoid that. I just push the clutch in and lightly brake.

I'm cleaning the throttle body tomorrow and changing the plugs, so hopefully that will fix the surging issue.
 
If I can't accelerate with light pressure on the gas, I change down. I never once thought I would damage the engine by not doing that, but I do know that lots of throttle = lots of fuel, and low speed + lots of fuel = bad mileage.

I hardly ever have to worry in the Volvo. I can slow to just under 40 in 6th and then pull away just fine. Slowly, yes, but using the weight of my shoe to press the accelerator. In the Focus, under 55 means 5th gear.
 
I read a tech article once in Sport Compact magazine where they talked about this, saying that bogging the engine at low speeds and high gear like this wasn't really good for it. That's all I can remember.

As a side note, I always leave the car in gear and rev match to 3rd (usually straight from 5th) since in third, I can slow down to idle which is like 10 mph where there's really no speed left to downshift again. Don't know how much gas and brakes this saves saves but I do it to keep my heel-toeing sharp.
 
How do you drive towards a red light? Becaus I see many people doing this 'wrong' too. Let's say, you driving in 4th gear, light turns red, what do you do? Alot of people just put their foot on the clutch and change gear till they stopped or the light turns green again.. I always downshift towards a red light, and only put the clutch down when the rpm is going below 1000. This way you save fuel and use the engine to brake.. So if you are driving towards a red light, downshift and what I do is let the clutch go up slowly becaus this helps braking too. When the light turns green again and you are in second and above 900/1000rpm, just accelerate.

When in third, around 1000rpm, light goes green, you can also downshift to second and tap the gas pedal, to match the engines rpm with your gearbox. I'm not sure this is good for fuel though.

I tend to rev-match in scenarios like that too, but I've been doing it so long now I've no idea whether it's more economical not to give a little blip like that when changing down. I suspect it's very, very slightly less economical because you are using a tiny bit extra fuel giving the engine a few revs, but not enough to notice (and I'm saying that as GTP's resident MPG-loving eco-weenie :lol:).

As for slowing down towards a red, that all sounds about right. My own process would be to slow down in gear. If the light was still red and I had to stop, I'd depress the clutch just before tickover and then come to a halt, changing to first again as traffic starts pulling away.

If the traffic is moving again as I approach it but I still have to slow down, I'll usually slow down in gear and then slot it into whatever gear I think is suitable to go again. Anything over 3-4mph it'll be second. Basically, my car will happily pull from 1250-1500rpm at lower speeds, so if I'm in traffic and need to change down I'll select whatever gear drops me into that sort of rev range, unless I need more speed (say, pulling up to a roundabout).

If I can't accelerate with light pressure on the gas, I change down.

This is a good general rule to follow. If you want to accelerate with any reasonable vigour then best practice is to change down, rather than just put your foot down harder - at low revs, anyway.

If you're already pulling a few revs and the engine isn't labouring then you can happily put your foot down a little harder if you only need a bit extra speed (say, going from a 30mph zone to a 40mph zone if you're in no great hurry).

Depends on the engine too (and gearing). A turbodiesel might pull happily from 2k revs in top gear, where in a naturally-aspirated petrol you might be better off changing down a gear.
 
This is a good general rule to follow. If you want to accelerate with any reasonable vigour then best practice is to change down, rather than just put your foot down harder - at low revs, anyway.

If you're already pulling a few revs and the engine isn't labouring then you can happily put your foot down a little harder if you only need a bit extra speed (say, going from a 30mph zone to a 40mph zone if you're in no great hurry).

Depends on the engine too (and gearing). A turbodiesel might pull happily from 2k revs in top gear, where in a naturally-aspirated petrol you might be better off changing down a gear.

If the Volvo is spinning at 1500 or more, you're good. I've gone as low as 800rpm in 2nd in stop and go traffic. That's probably not the best, but it still moves. Every other car I've had sputters and wants to die if you even look at 1k on the tach.

I can't imagine any other rule of thumb than not giving the car too much gas, though. Sometimes, in traffic, I don't feel like shifting from 1st, to 2nd, to third, to 4th, then all the way back down. If I can keep enough distance to not drop below 5mph, and I don't suspect we'll get much over 30, I'll choose one gear. You don't have to worry about too much throttle in a low gear because you'll only be gaining 1mph per 10 seconds for about a minute before you slow down again.
 
Sounds like you do what I do. Just judge it by engine load, like it was said. If its not accelerating with a normal throttle position, don't go putting it to the floor to bog your way out of fourth gear at 12mph.

I've heard that you'll burn oil if you do that, but I'd assume the motor would have to be getting worn out and having a small oil-burning issue to begin with and that this just makes it worse.
 
Not stopped if I don't need to be. I'm different that a lot of people where if I see a light is red from a long way off I'll just coast up to the light instead of speeding up to it and braking to a stop.

So you can zip past the people at the lights when it goes green ;)
I think like this because then you maintain momentum from rolling and won't need to squeeze more gas to get the car going from a standstill.
 
So you can zip past the people at the lights when it goes green ;)
I think like this because then you maintain momentum from rolling and won't need to squeeze more gas to get the car going from a standstill.

It's always nice when the car behind me gets impatient and pulls out to pass as I'm coasting to the light, then I drive past them in the open lane as they come to a stop behind the cars in the next lane. :lol:
 
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You don't have to worry about too much throttle in a low gear because you'll only be gaining 1mph per 10 seconds for about a minute before you slow down again.

That's the other thing of course. If the traffic is barely moving and your car is happy pulling along (but not accelerating) at tickover, then you may as well stay in the higher gear to save gas. It's only if you need to accelerate to a higher speed that a lower gear would be required.
 
It's always nice when the car behind me gets impatient and pulls out to pass as I'm coasting to the light, then I drive past them in the open lane as they come to a stop behind the cars in the next lane. :lol:

I always find that hilarious, particularly where there are lights I know to be impossible to make. One that sticks out is theoretically possible if you WOT run off the previous to at least 60 but that's not any more legal than blowing the red.

Now on the actual topic... It'd depend on the car, but I've not met many that have any real issue pulling away in 2nd just off idle. Given you've got a Slowbalt, I'd probably be aiming for 1500rpm minimum at whatever speed you're re-engaging the trans at in any gear that isn't 1st or 2nd.

Then again, if you're expecting to go anywhere near WOT from 1500 in 4th you really should go for 3rd or even 2nd instead.
 
For cruising and low speed, short duration acceleration (that is, not trying to get as fast as possible as quickly as possible), stick with the rule of 10mph/gear - at 10-20mph you should be in 2nd, at 20-30mph you should be in 3rd, at 30-40mph you should be in 4th and so on. It works with pretty much everything (give or take) and you'll see interesting fuel economy results.
 
I do tend to start in 2nd unless I am facing uphill.

I just rev to 2,000 and bring out the clutch slowly while applying more throttle.
 
For cruising and low speed, short duration acceleration (that is, not trying to get as fast as possible as quickly as possible), stick with the rule of 10mph/gear - at 10-20mph you should be in 2nd, at 20-30mph you should be in 3rd, at 30-40mph you should be in 4th and so on. It works with pretty much everything (give or take) and you'll see interesting fuel economy results.

My slushbox decides 2nd happens at 5mph, 3rd at 17, 4th at 25, 5th at 37. Or rather, that's the soonest it'll ever go into any given gear without going into manual mode.

But then again, it's a slushbox stuck to a relatively large (2.3L) 4 banger. Torque converters are awesome. :lol:
 
I always downshift towards a red light, and only put the clutch down when the rpm is going below 1000. This way you save fuel and use the engine to brake.. So if you are driving towards a red light, downshift and what I do is let the clutch go up slowly becaus this helps braking too. When the light turns green again and you are in second and above 900/1000rpm, just accelerate.

When in third, around 1000rpm, light goes green, you can also downshift to second and tap the gas pedal, to match the engines rpm with your gearbox. I'm not sure this is good for fuel though.

Not always true, I drive a carbed car, with no fuel cut-off system. I save more fuel with coasting to the red light in neutral.On the other hand my Punto had fuel cut-off with 1800 revs or more. I was engine braking 'till 1800. Also I gave up on blipping with the Punto and saved about 0.5 litres of Petrol on 100km (about 3MPG more just without rev maching). Now with the carbed car rev maching uses even more fuel (twin choke Weber) so I'm mostly always coasting.

One more thing about frequent downshift to 1st is that you use your gearbox more, synchros and clutch get worn out quicker.
 
For cruising and low speed, short duration acceleration (that is, not trying to get as fast as possible as quickly as possible), stick with the rule of 10mph/gear - at 10-20mph you should be in 2nd, at 20-30mph you should be in 3rd, at 30-40mph you should be in 4th and so on. It works with pretty much everything (give or take) and you'll see interesting fuel economy results.
For first or second that sounds fairly correct, but if I put my car in 4th gear at 30mph it will struggle to do anything but cruise at that speed, and that's with my torquey 2.4 liter engine.
 
I can't shift out of first at anything below 20, partly because shifting gears in my car isn't the smoothest operation, and partly because the person behind me would probably wack into my bumper when I stopped accelerating. After that, I typically shift at 4000 rpm which is torque peak. In 4th gear that's almost 70 mph.

I cruise in 5th at anything above 40, and 4th at anything below. My 5th is geared for about 190 mph (no joke) so low-speed operations are not very productive.
 
I'll downshift towards the light, but then I'll utilitize short shifts to get back to some speed... say like I downshift to 3rd gear towards a red light, and I'm doing 30 and moderately decelerating with engine braking. The light turns green but the RPM is maybe a little too low (since my 3rd gear redlines at like 85mph-ish @ 7,000RPM).

So I'll knock it down to second for just a very quick burst of speed (half throttle) and shift back into third so the engine doesn't have to work as hard to chug the car along. I'm talking maybe a second or two in 2nd gear just to get above 30mph again and 3rd does well taking it from there.

I do this quite often especially when I'm really running it close to empty... short shifts, nothing above 2,000 rpm usually and nothing above half throttle. Don't know if it really works, but it seems to. The gas meter will barely budge over a 30 mile commute. If I'm driving normally in which RPM usually go over 4,000rpm a lot (:D), the mileage suffers noticeably. But when I use this short shifting method, it becomes as docile as a 1 litre Honda.

EDIT: Famine hits the nail on the head, that's pretty much what I do and it does seem to work.
 
For first or second that sounds fairly correct, but if I put my car in 4th gear at 30mph it will struggle to do anything but cruise at that speed, and that's with my torquey 2.4 liter engine.

Depends on gearing. My car can quite happily do 30mph in 4th as it's still got another two gears above that to go, and 6th seems to be geared for no more than about 130mph maximum so as long as you don't want acceleration, it'll do 30mph in 6th on a level road without grumbling about it.
 
The Stilo will happily sit at 30 in 5th (top gear) at about 1300rpm. Drop it down to accelerate.
 
I use 2nd to accelerate to 30, then 3rd to hold 30. Accelerate in 3rd to 40 then use 4th to hold 40, etc.

In the 8, 3rd at 30, 4th at 40, 5th at 50 & 6th at 60 all equate to ~3000rpm, and it is happy enough there and happy to accelerate from there (not with much urgency in 5th and 6th admittedly.) I have been known to use 4th at 30mph but it's not very responsive if you need it. It can cruise at 30 in 6th, if the road is downhill or level, and you don't need to accelerate...
 
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