Duesenberg brand to return with a bang

[xcsti]

For luxury touring, actually, even 200hp is enough. Who needs a limo that'll spill your champagne every time the driver twitches the gas pedal?

I don't think the car truely needs 300hp but you have to admit that its all a numbers game. They won't buy a car with 300hp over one in the similar price range with 400+, whether they actually need it or not. Well I guess it's weight also factors in relatively.

Also I'm pretty sure this won't be a cheuffer's (sp?) car giving it's a two door.

Yeah, it's too bad that the only worthwhile reason for developing fuel-efficient engines and hybrids is so that you can save a buck or two.

I didn't say that was the only reason, just that at the moment premiums for hybrids outweight the benefits at the pump. Reliability on the batteries isn't that great either. I don't think it makes much sense for a consumer to buy a hybrid on that basis (plus you can find diesels that perform nearly as well without as great an increase in price). Or am I miss reading that and you aren't being sarcastic?

 

[Wolfe]

I didn't say that was the only reason, just that at the moment premiums for hybrids outweight the benefits at the pump. Reliability on the batteries isn't that great either. I don't think it makes much sense for a consumer to buy a hybrid on that basis (plus you can find diesels that perform nearly as well without as great an increase in price). Or am I miss reading that and you aren't being sarcastic?

I am indeed being sarcastic, but not for the purpose of picking on you alone. I just can't stand it when car guys and the automotive press look at hybrids as nothing more than a failed attempt to save them money at the gas pump. With the ability to run electric-only around town (which means zero emissions), the theoretical ability to continue running electric-only "forever" if regenerative braking is used, and the fact that they do nothing but enhance acceleration and fuel-economy (in other words, that they don't have to be paired with small 4-cylinder engines as in the Prius, and can be used with performance engines), Hybrid systems are, at least now, the powertrain of the future.

You mention that reliability on the batteries isn't so great, and that's certainly plausible, but I haven't heard or seen any reports or articles indicating as such. Do you have any sources for this?

Anyway, I agree that diesels are a very overlooked and unloved alternative to petrol engines (I'm even considering buying a diesel sometime in the future), but they don't offer the emissions advantages that you get from a Hybrid.

Furthermore, that was just as much a response to your hybrid comment as it was to a6m5's comment, complaining that a 70mpg 300hp engine would be too expensive to save you money at the gas pump.

 

[a6m5]

I don't think hybrid is silly. I love cars like the Prius. When I made comments on Duesenberg, I mentioned the cost effectiveness, because of the outrageous claim of 300hp while getting 70mpg. Obviously, it's not going to come cheap.

 

[Carl.]

"engine with a calculated 70 MPG and 300 horsepower"

At the golf club parking:

- Have you seen my new Bugatti? That beast has 1000hp and goes over 250 mph.

- Cool. Look at my new Dusie, it has 300hp ...but it does 70MPG!

*silence*


What is the point of that car? An engine like that would be awesome in a mass procuced sports car, but in an ultra expensive limited production "supercar"? Give me a friggin break. Who the hell cares about a Maybach's mileage?

And the design is about as exciting as this one:

 

[Wolfe]

I don't think hybrid is silly. I love cars like the Prius. When I made comments on Duesenberg, I mentioned the cost effectiveness, because of the outrageous claim of 300hp while getting 70mpg. Obviously, it's not going to come cheap.

Okay. It just seemed like a shallow comment when you said that a technology providing 300hp and 70mpg wouldn't save you any money on gas... 💡

Sorry.

 

[xcsti]

You mention that reliability on the batteries isn't so great, and that's certainly plausible, but I haven't heard or seen any reports or articles indicating as such. Do you have any sources for this?

I remember reading that the batteries were being replaced on most quite quickly (and under warrenty) but I don't remember where so it was probably just heresay.

I agree with A6m5 though, there is no way a 300hp 70mpg supercharger v12 will have a sensible price. Furthermore anyone who is willing to pay the supposed large amount probably would never care about the gas mileage in the first place.

 

[Wolfe]

I remember reading that the batteries were being replaced on most quite quickly (and under warrenty) but I don't remember where so it was probably just heresay.

I agree with A6m5 though, there is no way a 300hp 70mpg supercharger v12 will have a sensible price. Furthermore anyone who is willing to pay the supposed large amount probably would never care about the gas mileage in the first place.

Fair enough.

 

[TheCracker]

Interesting engine - dreadful styling.

 

[a6m5]

Okay. It just seemed like a shallow comment when you said that a technology providing 300hp and 70mpg wouldn't save you any money on gas... 💡

Sorry.

No sweat. My post wasn't very clear, but looks like xcsti worded it a lot better than me.

 

[Jay]

I'm just interested in finding more out about the engine.

 

[niky]

Pipe dream man... piiiiiipe dream. But as the planning is at so early a stage at this point, I won't write it off.

But there are so many miracle engines out there that have yet to produce solid results.

 

[VIPFREAK]

No...

Wow, that ass is ugly.