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Those days watching Smokey and the Bandit finally got the better of me... Or maybe it's that bad habit that I can't drop called Craigslist:

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1979 Camaro Z28

When I purchased the car it had been sitting since 2004, so It was a bit neglected. I have never owned a car this old before (or carbureted) so It's going to be a fun road ahead!

Hopefully I will have it ready for the Autocross in May June. I need to do the most work on the brakes and suspension (IT IS STILL ON THE FACTORY SHOCKS?!) and fix a few leaks here and there. The engine though, It runs oh so smooth.
 
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IMO better than the Bandit. How much did she run you cash wise (if you don't mind).
 
Enjoy all 175 (read, probably like 60rwhp these days) horsepower! :lol:

Those cars are stupidly simple to work on, easy to make stupid horsepower out of and have potential to handle well. Looks like a nice start. I've toyed with a 81 6 cylinder car and it wasn't much different than this so trust me when I say anyone who has a couple wrenches can tune this puppy up.
 
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That's actually not too bad, most go for under $5k. What exactly are you planning to do to this car other than autocross it?

Missing graphics too.
 
Oh right the graphics...

I would like to take it on the track. Pro-Touring style. The 1/4 mile is not my priority.

The kit that Hotchkiss has would be nice so I can have the suspension all tight in once nice package. Also brakes! Needs goods brakes! A proportioning valve seems real important, I have never raced a car without ABS before.

Down the road I would love to do an aluminum block LS engine with a six speed but that is a whole lot of money and time.
 
Gotta love those pro-touring muscle cars. Nice pick-up, hope it brings you much fun.:) (Now hurry up and wash it and take more pictures):dopey:
 
Oh right the graphics...

I would like to take it on the track. Pro-Touring style. The 1/4 mile is not my priority.

The kit that Hotchkiss has would be nice so I can have the suspension all tight in once nice package. Also brakes! Needs goods brakes! A proportioning valve seems real important, I have never raced a car without ABS before.

Down the road I would love to do an aluminum block LS engine with a six speed but that is a whole lot of money and time.
You won't really notice not having ABS unless you slam on the brakes all the time.

An LS swap would be cool but you already have a 350 sitting there so I think it would be much more worth it to build that engine up (and probably cheaper/easier as well). You can make massive power out of those engines.
 
You won't really notice not having ABS unless you slam on the brakes all the time.

An LS swap would be cool but you already have a 350 sitting there so I think it would be much more worth it to build that engine up (and probably cheaper/easier as well). You can make massive power out of those engines.

An LS is a whole lot lighter though which will help him a lot on the circuit.
 
An LS is a whole lot lighter though which will help him a lot on the circuit.
You can arguably make a 350 lighter than an LS. Once you start changing parts for aftermarket aluminum ones, you take a 575lb motor down to just under 400lbs if not more. The heads alone weigh 50lbs a piece.

It's his car, he can do what he wants with it, but I think he'd save himself some time and money leaving what he has.
 
I dunno, weight reduction and EFI sounds pretty worth it if the intention is to race it
 
I dunno, weight reduction and EFI sounds pretty worth it if the intention is to race it
You can get EFI parts for 350's.

I'm just trying to save the guy the hassle of swapping the motor when you can make a very competitive 350 and arguably be cheaper. Like I said, his car.
 
True, but why bother when you've got an already proven platform?
 
True, but why bother when you've got an already proven platform?

LSx conversions aren't uncommon, there's probably kits for that model Camaro and all.
 
Dude, the car in that filthy picture looks minty. I've always liked these years of Camaros even tough they seem to be in a relative black hole in the collector market... which means cheap cheap cheap! I think 2,600 was a good deal.

Don't know what your budget is, but like Slash sez, if you're tight on money the 350 under your hood has some of the cheapest aftermarket in the world, and plenty of junkyard pieces can make this a better car. If you have some money around then I'd strongly encourage the engine swap and of course the Hotchkis suspension. It's the sweet thing with these cars, they can be worked on for cheap or be absolute money pits, but they're rewarding to drive any which way.

Wash it for god's sake!
 
LSx conversions aren't uncommon, there's probably kits for that model Camaro and all.
That's not the point. Have you even pulled an engine before?

This car is based on your budget as Cano said. If you have some serious dough, by all means drop an LSx in it, but if you are working on a budget, some cheap aftermarket/junkyard parts will have that motor very peppy. Just be aware that just because they have a "kit" for something like this, doesn't always mean it's a bolt in affair. Even leaving this one for the time being would be ok.

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Back on topic, I agree with Cano here. There's sooooooooo much that can be done with this car that it's ridiculous and I'm looking forward to watching the build.
 
That's not the point. Have you even pulled an engine before?

This car is based on your budget as Cano said. If you have some serious dough, by all means drop an LSx in it, but if you are working on a budget, some cheap aftermarket/junkyard parts will have that motor very peppy. Just be aware that just because they have a "kit" for something like this, doesn't always mean it's a bolt in affair. Even leaving this one for the time being would be ok.

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Back on topic, I agree with Cano here. There's sooooooooo much that can be done with this car that it's ridiculous and I'm looking forward to watching the build.
slash lsx swaps have come a long way. For the price of a cam he can find an old 5.3 or 6.0 truck motor, throw a carb on it and make well over 300 hp to the wheels, all of which will bolt up to his trans he has now with a cheap adapter they sell. Efi in that just isn't worth it on a budget imo with his goals a carb will be fine.
 
Thanks for the interest guys!

The biggest problem I have other then me lacking the money (and skill...) to do a LS swap is that I live in California. Even if I did the swap and the car ran cleaner than stock, it would fail the visual inspection.

For now I'm considering the 50 state legal Edelbrock carb and intake manifold. Since they can't see the cam or inside the heads I might go with something more... potent there.

With that said, performance wise, the engine is a low priority (other than a tune-up). I plan to do the brakes and suspension first. Rear disks would be nice, and I have been looking at the Hotchkis TVS stage 2 just to knock out the suspension in one blow.

I will upload a clean photo of it when I get home. XD
 
First thing I would do is your average plugs/wires/fluids, then slap the intake (Edelbrock Performer RPM is a nice choice) and carb on it (Edelbrocks are nice, but Holleys are better performers in my opinion /bias), shorty headers and then rip out the POS factory ignition system for an MSD 6AL or 6ALN box and Blaster II coil which I believe are 50 state legal. You can use the stock distributor but that will limit you a bit. You can adjust the spark timing by turning the cap slowly. The factory ignition system and timing B.L.O.W. so you'll no doubt see performance gains with this change. $275 upgrade and probably a nice bump in power.

I would prioritize that stuff before you start opening up the motor. That will be a nice start for you, and you'll be able to focus on the handling and braking aspects.
 
Thanks for the interest guys!

The biggest problem I have other then me lacking the money (and skill...) to do a LS swap is that I live in California. Even if I did the swap and the car ran cleaner than stock, it would fail the visual inspection.

For now I'm considering the 50 state legal Edelbrock carb and intake manifold. Since they can't see the cam or inside the heads I might go with something more... potent there.

With that said, performance wise, the engine is a low priority (other than a tune-up). I plan to do the brakes and suspension first. Rear disks would be nice, and I have been looking at the Hotchkis TVS stage 2 just to knock out the suspension in one blow.

I will upload a clean photo of it when I get home. XD
I never even saw you were in California, sometimes I'm glad I live in the icy north lol. If you do do a cam watch how big it is, any really noticeable lope might give it away. An lt4 hotcam with roller rockers is a very cheap and popular swap. 👍 good luck with the build.
 
I don't know anything about American road laws, but never the less, the 350 SBC will still make a fine car (I was just saying an LSx would have been better-but an engine swap is nearly always pricier than keeping the original), and I look forward to seeing more of the car as well. Good luck!
 
Thank you for the suggestions! I will definitely look into the MSD ignition stuff. The engine cruises at 3k RPM @ 65 so hopefully it would afford me a bit better gas mileage! hah.

Here's a few pictures I took recently, this is all there will be for now. Next time I see the car it will be painted and all straight!

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OEM Shocks wahoo...
 
Few things after the initial tune up (since this is your first carbed car, do lots of reading!), apologies if this gets long but it will help:

Wash the engine bay, or do a major cleanup. Seriously, the car will look much more presentable. A pressure washer is recommended, but degreaser and a lot of wipes will work. If you choose the water method, cover anything electrical (distributor and wires etc). Remove the carb if you can (not required but helps) and cover the ports on the intake. I believe this is a 2 barrel engine, so there will be 2 holes on the intake. More on this in the next paragraph.

When you change the carburetor, change it to a 50 state smog-legal 4 barrel carb, not the 2 barrel. This will help performance, and since the motor is already poop from the factory, it might run nicer and gain gas mileage if you keep your foot out of it. Since you are converting this, the intake will also need to be changed to accept a 4 barrel carb...they literally change the amount of ports, but it's otherwise a bolt in change. It also needs to be 50 state legal, and I believe the Performer RPM is. When you buy a carb, because you are new, I would recommend one with an electric choke and vacuum secondaries. What an electric choke means is that you won't need to worry about cold start stalling unless it's improperly adjust; directions come with the carb itself. Basically, it regulates engine RPM and heats up the fuel before it goes into the cylinders. You should also prime the carb before cold starts, simply tap that gas pedal once or twice to feed fuel. The vacuum secondaries are the other 2 barrels of the carb that are quite literally, secondaries. There are 4 barrels, the main 2 are your primaries, they are what keeps the engine running and open under a certain RPM. There are 2 types of secondaries, mechanical and vacuum. Mechanical you don't need to woryy about, they are pointless on a street engine, even moderately built engines. Vacuum secondaries open at full throttle when the revs rise high enough that there is enough vacuum from the engine (the force/rate at which the engine sucks in air per minute or CFM) to pull them open. This stuff will make your life much easier.


As far as that motor, EW :lol: Look at all that garbage you can rip off there :lol:


Get rid of that air filter kebab. Throw it right in the garbage. It's no good, I find them to be pretty restrictive. Personally, I think you'd be better off with $15 open element, plus, it looks cooler but it'll totally stand out against all that grime.

Another thing to do: Check all the hoses. All of them. Make sure none are old and brittle, If they are, replace them. This will pretty much defuse any potential small vacuum leaks you might have or can develop in the future. Vacuum leaks will, not matter how small, cause a many issues like a rough running engine or a loss in MPG's.


With the better ignition it should burn a tad cleaner and better so I think you might pick up 1 or 2 MPG's. The engine should run a tad smoother overall too, and like I said, you might notice some small power increase, but if not, you should notice at least a bit more bottom end torque and a smoother feeling engine through the RPM range.

While you've gotten into the ignition system, another thing I would do is rebuild the stock distributor. GM's HEI stock distributors are pretty good...when they work right. That car being entirely stock, I believe with no doubt in my mind that the parts are worn out inside and are causing a loss in MPG's. You'll probably gain a few of those back and some engine grunt, and they aren't too hard to do. Once you put it all back together with new internal parts, you probably won't need to do it again for another 150k miles.

This engine can be built to rev, but in stock form, don't bother revving past 4,000rpm because power dies off at 3,800. If you ever really get on the gas, you'll notice this. It's pointless and won't do much good for the engine until you tear into it (if you ever go that far). Top end parts such as heads, cam, valve springs etc will bring your useable RPM range much higher. Stock heads flow like garbage, so that really limits the potential.

I'd also check to see if the rear axle is a Posi unit or not. If it is, it will make your life easier on the track since bother wheels get power without a one wheel peel or one tire fire when you punch it. The power will be more evenly distributed and it'll feel like it's got more balls. Converting it isn't too bad if it's not but I'd be willing to be it isn't. Simply spin a rear tire and see if the other side turns the same way. If not, then it's not a posi rear. Posi is a type of limited slip from GM by the way. Also, another way to make the car feel like it's got some balls is to change the rear gears. I think at best this car as a 3.55 rear and that's pretty standard. Changing to 3.73 or higher will get torque to the ground quicker but your RPMs will rise a bit at highway speeds and could potentially hurt gas mileage.
 
Few things after the initial tune up (since this is your first carbed car, do lots of reading!), apologies if this gets long but it will help:

Wash the engine bay, or do a major cleanup. Seriously, the car will look much more presentable. A pressure washer is recommended, but degreaser and a lot of wipes will work. If you choose the water method, cover anything electrical (distributor and wires etc). Remove the carb if you can (not required but helps) and cover the ports on the intake. I believe this is a 2 barrel engine, so there will be 2 holes on the intake. More on this in the next paragraph.

When you change the carburetor, change it to a 50 state smog-legal 4 barrel carb, not the 2 barrel. This will help performance, and since the motor is already poop from the factory, it might run nicer and gain gas mileage if you keep your foot out of it. Since you are converting this, the intake will also need to be changed to accept a 4 barrel carb...they literally change the amount of ports, but it's otherwise a bolt in change. It also needs to be 50 state legal, and I believe the Performer RPM is. When you buy a carb, because you are new, I would recommend one with an electric choke and vacuum secondaries. What an electric choke means is that you won't need to worry about cold start stalling unless it's improperly adjust; directions come with the carb itself. Basically, it regulates engine RPM and heats up the fuel before it goes into the cylinders. You should also prime the carb before cold starts, simply tap that gas pedal once or twice to feed fuel. The vacuum secondaries are the other 2 barrels of the carb that are quite literally, secondaries. There are 4 barrels, the main 2 are your primaries, they are what keeps the engine running and open under a certain RPM. There are 2 types of secondaries, mechanical and vacuum. Mechanical you don't need to woryy about, they are pointless on a street engine, even moderately built engines. Vacuum secondaries open at full throttle when the revs rise high enough that there is enough vacuum from the engine (the force/rate at which the engine sucks in air per minute or CFM) to pull them open. This stuff will make your life much easier.


As far as that motor, EW :lol: Look at all that garbage you can rip off there :lol:


Get rid of that air filter kebab. Throw it right in the garbage. It's no good, I find them to be pretty restrictive. Personally, I think you'd be better off with $15 open element, plus, it looks cooler but it'll totally stand out against all that grime.

Another thing to do: Check all the hoses. All of them. Make sure none are old and brittle, If they are, replace them. This will pretty much defuse any potential small vacuum leaks you might have or can develop in the future. Vacuum leaks will, not matter how small, cause a many issues like a rough running engine or a loss in MPG's.


With the better ignition it should burn a tad cleaner and better so I think you might pick up 1 or 2 MPG's. The engine should run a tad smoother overall too, and like I said, you might notice some small power increase, but if not, you should notice at least a bit more bottom end torque and a smoother feeling engine through the RPM range.

While you've gotten into the ignition system, another thing I would do is rebuild the stock distributor. GM's HEI stock distributors are pretty good...when they work right. That car being entirely stock, I believe with no doubt in my mind that the parts are worn out inside and are causing a loss in MPG's. You'll probably gain a few of those back and some engine grunt, and they aren't too hard to do. Once you put it all back together with new internal parts, you probably won't need to do it again for another 150k miles.

This engine can be built to rev, but in stock form, don't bother revving past 4,000rpm because power dies off at 3,800. If you ever really get on the gas, you'll notice this. It's pointless and won't do much good for the engine until you tear into it (if you ever go that far). Top end parts such as heads, cam, valve springs etc will bring your useable RPM range much higher. Stock heads flow like garbage, so that really limits the potential.

I'd also check to see if the rear axle is a Posi unit or not. If it is, it will make your life easier on the track since bother wheels get power without a one wheel peel or one tire fire when you punch it. The power will be more evenly distributed and it'll feel like it's got more balls. Converting it isn't too bad if it's not but I'd be willing to be it isn't. Simply spin a rear tire and see if the other side turns the same way. If not, then it's not a posi rear. Posi is a type of limited slip from GM by the way. Also, another way to make the car feel like it's got some balls is to change the rear gears. I think at best this car as a 3.55 rear and that's pretty standard. Changing to 3.73 or higher will get torque to the ground quicker but your RPMs will rise a bit at highway speeds and could potentially hurt gas mileage.
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..... YES, what he said :lol:
 
I forgot to mention the rear shocks are a bolt-in affair. Takes anywhere from 15 minutes to a half hour at most to do by yourself. I don't however remember what they were supposed to be torqued to though. I don't think they were all that tight when I did the ones on the 1981, if I even torqued them. Hand-tight-by-ratchet maybe.

The rear drums can be a PITA when it comes to the springs, they can take some force to install. You might want some help with this; the best thing I can tell you to do is grab a pair of vice grips and lock on and pull like hell. The star-wheel adjusters are plain annoying to adjust, and can be frustrating because they take forever to turn. I don't know your level of skill overall so this might be stuff you already know.They basically allow the wheel cylinder to expand and push the shoes out (that in turn rub on the drum when you hit the brakes). To test if they are out far enough, put the drum on, then the rim/tire and put a lug on it. Spin it. Should only spin around about 1 full turn and then a half.

At this point, go over the entire braking system, and if more than one line is starting to look back, replace them all. Not worth the potential risks involved especially on a race car. I have a feeling you are already going over this stuff however. If I could help, I soooooo would. These are some of my favorite Camaros and I'm a Ford guy.

Also, not sure if you know, but the rear leafs I believe are used on Novas but with a different arch. This can make finding shocks weird, and this can cause correct fitting shocks to be 3" short. They may or may not have been changed out at some point, who knows. I've heard Monroe makes several correct shocks for this car.

Back to the engine, you could alternatively purchase an Edelbrock Performer "Power Package". For roughly $1,700, you get an entire top end kit. Valve springs, timing set, heads, intake, gaskets, etc. You'll easily see gains of likely close to if not more than 150 horsepower (I'm not BSing that), have wayyyyy better gas mileage, plus your useable RPM range will go from idle-4,000 to idle-5,500, and have a way broader power band. Not to mention, these parts I believe are legal, and literally "bolt right on". Just remove the junk parts first. Hell of a deal for the money.


I also see some gold on the front spoiler...there's a possibility your car may have once looked like this:

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I would also change the thread title to something like "1979 Pro-Touring Camaro Z/28". You might get more interesting replies :D
 
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Slash to the rescue!
All I can say is, that car needs some love.:lol: This will be a great thread if you can keep us updated, going from neglected to Pro Touring will be awesome.:)
 
Slash to the rescue!
All I can say is, that car needs some love.:lol: This will be a great thread if you can keep us updated, going from neglected to Pro Touring will be awesome.:)
Thing is in DAMN good shape :lol:
 
Whaa so much input!

The car has a 4 barrel Quadrajet in that we rebuilt about a month after. The first drive home my dad floored it (I was following in my E30) and the car puked out a brown cloud of dirt and rocks, pelting me in the process. Then just normal black after that from the floats sticking. - There are so many vacuum lines it makes my head spin. One way to remedy that will be the A/C that I will be pulling out soon as I get the car back... Doesn't work anyways.

The moment I got it to my friends shop we bled the brakes and put new fluid in, and changed the oil. Lines look good, and the rotors and pads both front and rear have plenty of material on them, but that's all the way back from atleast 2004. They are glazed over but braking performance seems to be improving as I drive.

The rear axle is indeed a 3.55 posi! I believe the pinion bearing is on its way out so I will either rebuild it or stick a ford 9 inch in there. If it works for Mary Pozzi I'm sure it would work for me! . . . On that note I'm kinda using Mary Pozzi's car as a guideline, although I plan to have it set for track more then autocross.

That gold color is just lack of paint probably from the previous owner rubbing up against curbs haha! Funny thing is, my dad bought one back in '79 when it was brand new. It was exactly like this one, he even removed the decals. The biggest difference was he has a factory crate LT-1 in it that could rev over 6k that turned it into a monster. Had to sell it when he moved to California. Booo. If I can find a picture of it I'll scan it and post it here.

I will have to show you a picture of my ALT-125 that I had Slash. :)
 
Whaa so much input!

The car has a 4 barrel Quadrajet in that we rebuilt about a month after. The first drive home my dad floored it (I was following in my E30) and the car puked out a brown cloud of dirt and rocks, pelting me in the process. Then just normal black after that from the floats sticking. - There are so many vacuum lines it makes my head spin. One way to remedy that will be the A/C that I will be pulling out soon as I get the car back... Doesn't work anyways.

Quadrajets are ok, they can be decent performers. Not my first choice, but if you want to save some money, I would leave it on there and just change the intake manifold itself. Edelbrocks should bolt right up and if they don't, you can get adapters for them for like $8. As far as puking all that stuff out, that's not good haha, but at least it's not in there anymore. I would suggest sea-foaming the engine to get rid of all the built up carbon etc in the engine. That will really help, and you might increase your mileage. By the time all is said and done, you should be able to get about 15mpg on average, which is pretty good for a smog car with a small block.

Everything was controlled by vacuum, and that's a big power hog. The more of that garbage you can get rid of, the better. Though some stuff you may need for smog; whatever that is, replace it. Those 36 year old parts aren't working as good as they should be and that's going to kill the engines performance. Like I said, go over the hoses, use a smoke machine if you got one. I think you can rent them from auto parts stores, but not 100% on that.

As far as A/C, that stuff is pretty much a bolt in affair, just make sure you disconnect the wire to the switch so when you turn it on it (by accident) it doesn't do anything. Not sure how your system works though, the one I worked on was a non-A/C car. Should be able to rip the A/C systems out in roughly an hour. You'll find this car is ridiculously easy to wrench on.


The moment I got it to my friends shop we bled the brakes and put new fluid in, and changed the oil. Lines look good, and the rotors and pads both front and rear have plenty of material on them, but that's all the way back from atleast 2004. They are glazed over but braking performance seems to be improving as I drive.

Sounds very good, just be careful with it until they break in again. Non ABS isn't too big of a deal. 👍 Way to save a few dollars.


The rear axle is indeed a 3.55 posi! I believe the pinion bearing is on its way out so I will either rebuild it or stick a ford 9 inch in there. If it works for Mary Pozzi I'm sure it would work for me! . . . On that note I'm kinda using Mary Pozzi's car as a guideline, although I plan to have it set for track more then autocross.

You got one of the better ones!

If you are going to go through the trouble of ripping it out, you might as well stick a 4 link in there. That will seriously help you on the track. Expensive upgrade, but almost necessary for what you'll be doing.


That gold color is just lack of paint probably from the previous owner rubbing up against curbs haha! Funny thing is, my dad bought one back in '79 when it was brand new. It was exactly like this one, he even removed the decals. The biggest difference was he has a factory crate LT-1 in it that could rev over 6k that turned it into a monster. Had to sell it when he moved to California. Booo. If I can find a picture of it I'll scan it and post it here.

I will have to show you a picture of my ALT-125 that I had Slash. :)

The LT-1 motors could be built to be nasty. I'd love to see it if you can find pictures.
 
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