E-break vs. Throttle Drift

[shmogt]

in the drift bible,
with keiichi tsuchiya,
It's taught: use all skills.

This. There is no drift style like some people claim it is the same as racing. You see what is in front of you and plan accordingly. Sometimes I will have come in at a weird angle, but have lots of speed and instead of slowing down and doing a flick I'll turn a bit and emergency brake all the way to the corner from miles away. It's all about what can get you around the track the smoothest and most consistent drift in which all of the track is drift. If you drive straight slow down and only drift the corner than drive up to the next one you better be just learning because that is not drifting. Always push yourself to try and drift the whole track using what ever methods you need based on the current corner that's coming up.

 

[1g]

well, actually,
It is a matter of style.
race style, or show style.

you describe show style.
I prefer the race style, not
fishtailing down straights.

 

[monsterGAUZ]

in the drift bible,
with keiichi tsuchiya,
It's taught: use all skills.

And here
in the forum
it's taught
not to use
a new line
after every third
word.

No offense though

 

[1g]

And here
in the forum
it's taught
not to use
a new line
after every third
word.

I think perhaps you've
overlooked what I'm typing
I'm writing haikus.

 

[monsterGAUZ]

I think perhaps you've
overlooked what I'm typing
I'm writing haiuku's.

You mean Haiku? Whatever it is why using this in a forum..

 

[SKOT_FREE]

in the drift bible,
with keiichi tsuchiya,
It's taught: use all skills.

Yep that's the best way to go since you'll need all skills to drift effectively on every track.

 

[AngryBenko]

I use every technique because it makes everything fun. E-brake, feint, clutch kick. Have people push my rear out to the front. Whateva works!

 

[Bobalob]

A lot of people have said some true things about using every technique. But this is not the thread subject. It's about handbrake vs throttle, i.e a situation where you can use both but choose one over the other.

 

[Stavingo]

A lot of people have said some true things about using every technique. But this is not the thread subject. It's about handbrake vs throttle, i.e a situation where you can use both but choose one over the other.

Or you can use a combo.

 

[Bobalob]

I'd like to see someone brake and power the rear wheels, at the same time.

A bit of a handbrake then some power over ? cause that's not what this is about, in any combination.

Throttle VS Handbrake. Still no decent posts on this, just bandwagon "oh but I use every drifting technique" posts that miss the point and instead confirm yourselves as fairly average drifters.

 

[JR86]

Drifting is about your style more than side engaging but they are crucial to perform properly. I don't see handbrake to be bad but I use throttle a lot more

 

[Gonales]

Dirt drop: THe momentum the outside tire gains by not having any grip on the grass is more than the inside wheel. This way, when you re-enter the course with the outside wheel you have more wheelspin there, (Which is actually the opposite thing people want by locking their differential) which increases (not alwys induces) more oversteer. Thus it is easier to start a drift. All 3 video's on dirt drops were quite off imo, ill try find some when im at home and update this post.

As to the OP: Use everything you need the time you need it. There is no right or wrong in drifting in this matter.

 

[Guml8all]

Dirt drop: THe momentum the outside tire gains by not having any grip on the grass is more than the inside wheel. This way, when you re-enter the course with the outside wheel you have more wheelspin there, (Which is actually the opposite thing people want by locking their differential) which increases (not alwys induces) more oversteer. Thus it is easier to start a drift. .

Never thought of that, seems interesting. I'll try it someday

Normally though, I feint/power over. I would use the handbrake method except for the fact that it's extremely clumsy to press the handbrake (G25).

Verdict: THROTTLE

 

[Bobalob]

Dirt drop is simply dropping a tyre in the dirt, regardless of motive.

Also this extra momentum stuff is utter nonsense if your running a welder, and slightly less nonsense when running an LSD.

And I'll make this point again:

if your intentionally dropping JUST the rear wheels on the dirt you are already oversteering so "initiating" wheelspin is nonsense and irrelivant. (and as for the guy showing rally cars cutting corners, your an idiot.)

And yet more "use whatever feels right" pointless posts. The subject is handbrake OR throttle, please observe this fact.

 

[MyFC]

I use an under-
powered car, so I prefer to
feint, then tap E-brake

 

[Gonales]

Dirt drop is simply dropping a tyre in the dirt, regardless of motive.

Also this extra momentum stuff is utter nonsense if your running a welder, and slightly less nonsense when running an LSD.

And I'll make this point again:

if your intentionally dropping JUST the rear wheels on the dirt you are already oversteering so "initiating" wheelspin is nonsense and irrelivant. (and as for the guy showing rally cars cutting corners, your an idiot.)

And yet more "use whatever feels right" pointless posts. The subject is handbrake OR throttle, please observe this fact.

There is no OR in drifting. You can't drift without throttle, and ebrake is a good tool as well. To initiate a drift, it all comes down to which corner, with what car, under what circumstances.

 

[Hei]

Their both equally good, like the Dori Kin said so himself, everyone has to start somewhere, he says to practice with the ebrake 1st. But either way is fine.

i try to drift with feinting techniques, weight transfer is they key to keep low power cars drifting, like in my 237 hp AE86, i feint to initiate a drift and then i throttle control the rest, but i also use ebrake drifting, brake drifting (which is quite fun when done properly), along with other techniques, right now im trying to learn how to dynamic drift better.

watch this video, it will improve your knowledge and techniques if you havent watched it before. From the Dori kin himself, keiichi Tsuchiya!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB2zGvNu-nw

 

[Bobalob]

Thanks to those who have but I'm sorry to see you other guys arnt ready to utilise more than one technique in a particular place.

When you learn how to use each technique for it's own merits (throttle increases speed and is more difficult to hold max lock etc. etc.) and understand it's possible to choose, I would love to discuss your particular choice of manouver.

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Thanks to those who have but I'm sorry to see you other guys arnt ready to utilise more than one technique in a particular place.

When you learn how to use each technique for it's own merits (throttle increases speed and is more difficult to hold max lock etc. etc.) and understand it's possible to choose, I would love to discuss your particular choice of manouver.

You can create a new topic, specify a track and describe the correct lines and the how-to in every single corner. Im not trolling nor joking, sometimes i have my own doubts of what is the best option for a certain corner.

 

[Bobalob]

You can create a new topic, specify a track and describe the correct lines and the how-to in every single corner. Im not trolling nor joking, sometimes i have my own doubts of what is the best option for a certain corner.

Thanks for the sensible post but I thought I was in the right place

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Thanks for the sensible post but I thought I was in the right place

At least tell me what is the best option in the Trial Mountain (regular/standard direction), linking the corner #3 to #4 perfectly without hook the oversteer or spinnout.

 

[Goracle]

At least tell me what is the best option in the Trial Mountain (regular/standard direction), linking the corner #3 to #4 perfectly without hook the oversteer or spinnout.

Take the right line and you're set! (If you're talking about the turns right after the first tunnel)

 

[MyFC]

The right turn after the first tunnel or the right turn before the bridge thingy?... I will try my best to describe how I clear this section.

I widen my drift as I exit the tunnel curved tunnel, I want to be close to the middle of the road as I crest the hill with no angle, though,I begin to drift towards the left rumble strips as I crest the hill and then tap e-brake as I transition to the right drift - I want my left rear tire to come very close to the left rumble strip as I set this slide.
If I set it right, my car will slide without gas or brakes until I sniff the inside wall and then I use gas and counter steer to widen my line from there. As soon as it is widened nearly to the left rock wall, I jump over to the right side of the road before throwing into the left in a high gear (4 when under 300 horse power, 5 when over 350) aimed at the wall, transition from left drift to right drift and gear down; and again sniff the inside wall on the next right turn, widening to the point where I can begin to move towards the right wall of the bridge in the same slide. When I come close enough to ebrake my rear within inches of the wall, I do so, and hammer on the throttle. I usually try to 'tag' my right outside corner about halfway through the mini tunnel, and then clip the left corner/edge of the bricks on the exit with the center of my front bumper. I try always to merge this drift smoothly into full acceleration with no oversteer as I am entering the straight tunnel.

That is how I do that section of the track, I don't know if the way I wrote it is helpful, but we will drive again and you can study. I'm more comfortable with my 400hp FC, I think my uncertainty threw you off before

 

[Lazy Liquid]

Take the right line and you're set! (If you're talking about the turns right after the first tunnel)

Im talking about the corner before the tunnel, the small straight and the corner into the tunnel, all in one single drift. Due the elevation, a powerslide is dangerous because might screw up your entering at the tunnel.

I edited this last part.

 

[mikeonthebike]

Im talking about the corner before the tunnel, the small straight and the corner into the tunnel, all in one single drift. Due the elevation, a powerslide is dangerous because might screw up your entering at the tunnel.

But lets keep this questions specificaly to Boba answer.

I like to link that one with power 1/2 to 3/4 way through that strait valley and then step on the clutch modulate a little ebrake to continue the slide up to the tunnel then I downshift when letting go of ebrake and blurp a little throttle, engage the clutch and then start feeding the power back in through the tunnel. but all of this is done with a wheel while shifting using the clutch and shifter and operating a custom built ds3 ebrake that I can modulate. what I said could be simulated with a DS3 though

 

[DriftShiro]

i use both at same time.to make my entries more aggressive, i shift down to get more rpm and then i pull the ebrake and a few miliseconds later i shift up so i can maintain my angle

 

[Bobalob]

The big left hander after the corner cut jump? that is a difficult one to power through, I use handbrake to save me if it's looking sketchy but I do try to manage it all with throttle but very tricky with the roads incline and I find it pretty hard to get a good line through the tunnel after unless it's done perfectly (rare for me)

Funny you mention trial mountain it's my new fav! got some lovely fast sweeping corners with the cliff walls

I particuraly like the inclined blind S after the long tunnel straight and big left hander, great satisfaction making that one at high speed all throttle.