Elon's Antics
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He isn't worth our time. Nothing is going to change his mind as long as he's getting attention. If he doesn't get any attention, perhaps things will change. Let's face it, half the reason he does stupid **** is to create controversy and it works! He knows how to keep a fire burning! We need to stop adding fuel to the fire or else the flame will never go out.
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The same goes for Trump.
But telling any news outlet "stop posting about Trump to make the world a better place" is not remotely working when "stop flying for vacation 4 times a year to allow your children at least being able to have a place with liveable conditions in 10 years" doesnt work.
Fighting vs mindmills this is, when you want to convince someone giving up on something that they either love or hate.
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I don't think he'll stop if people stop paying attention, I think he'll just keep scaling up his insanity. He didn't get to where he is now by thinking "oh, people aren't that into this, I better stop". He didn't get to where he is by having any respect for other people's opinions or feelings at all.
Musk is responsible for his own behaviour. If people push back against him, he goes harder out of spite. If people ignore him, he goes harder to try and get noticed. He's the richest and arguably the most powerful man in the world, but it's still not enough. It will never be enough, and there's nothing logical you can do to get him to change his behaviour. He does what he wants with almost complete disregard for what anyone else does or thinks.
Now, I know full well that spamming his chat is almost certainly not going to change Elon's behaviour. It might, but in the specific case of Elon it's really unlikely. However, it is important for us as a society to vocally demonstrate that his behaviour is not socially acceptable to all the other people like Elon, the Elon-wannabes. Pushing back against that sort of **** needs to be normalised, so that when other people come up who aren't quite as powerful and ketamine-addled yet they get the sort of swift kick to the social testicles they need to get them to pull their neck in.
We do not need more Elon Musks - one is already one too many. You're right that Elon himself isn't worth our time, but it's absolutely worth our time trying to make sure we don't get any more of them. And hey, maybe he'll grow a conscience on the way and realise that trying to compete with Hitler for most hated man in history maybe isn't how he wants to be remembered. Probably not, and he's got a ways to go yet but he sure seems to be trying hard.
Maybe he can get himself put in charge of Trump's definitely not concentration camps and up his body count to an actually historically competitive level. He's getting outdone by ambitious serial killers at the moment.
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I get that you’re probably not being dead serious, but no, of course it doesn’t. Well, too much money doesn’t anyway.
Sorry to bring this thread off-topic once more, but I find this quite interesting and true. Not that I make that much, but I came to realise years ago that more money wouldn’t make me happier.
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Except for the fact that he is incredibly wealthy and has a ton of influence. He's not just some immature schoolboy that we can choose to ignore.
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Probably won't grab national headlines with all the other **** going on, but nonetheless another example of Elon's lack of respect for the law:
Memphis xAI datacenter nearly doubles its gas turbines ‘without any permit,’ SELC says
The real reason Musk and his companies have fled California is that they can't get away with this kind of **** here. Big business is booming in the deep south at the expense of the people living there.
Memphis xAI datacenter nearly doubles its gas turbines ‘without any permit,’ SELC says
The real reason Musk and his companies have fled California is that they can't get away with this kind of **** here. Big business is booming in the deep south at the expense of the people living there.
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Yep.
There was a lawsuit against him for dumping waste, but it was dropped. The group that brought the lawsuit mentioned it was not worth pursuing as Texas had an environmental board that granted SpaceX a permit that negated their lawsuit. I believe in Austin, there's a similar complaint about the Tesla factory dumping into the water there as well.
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DOGE cuts watchdogs investigating self-driving Teslas: Report
Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) made cuts to transportation safety regulators in February.
www.newsweek.com
It's almost as though everyone who pointed out that it was a horrible idea to put Musk in charge of Musk's oversight were just entirely 100% correct huh?
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I'm becoming more "fascinated" with how people deep into QAnon & other conspiracies that dug deep enough to China to "uncover" the dark secrets of government corruption are suddenly quiet as church mice or even defending something right out in the open.DOGE cuts watchdogs investigating self-driving Teslas: Report
Elon Musk and his Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) made cuts to transportation safety regulators in February.
It's almost as though everyone who pointed out that it was a horrible idea to put Musk in charge of Musk's oversight were just entirely 100% correct huh?
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It's only interesting to them if they're in the special group of people that sees what no one else does. As Natalie Wynn put it, once it's out in the open it's no longer a conspiracy theory.I'm becoming more "fascinated" with how people deep into QAnon & other conspiracies that dug deep enough to China to "uncover" the dark secrets of government corruption are suddenly quiet as church mice or even defending something right out in the open.
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I think it's less conspiracy and more just double standard/irony from right-wingers. They loved using QAnon to prop Trump as the guy who would "drain the swamp" & reveal the government dark secrets, when he's really just the guy cranking on the faucet full blast, and all the lights are on for everyone to see.
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Because it reminds me that not everyone in the world is an explicit or implicit collaborator in Musk's ********.
It reminds me that there is a non-trivial amount of people out there that are willing to vocally oppose Musk, and that were things to get really bad there is some proportion of them that would probably take action.
If I were not to see pushback, it would be a sign that people approve of this behaviour. Or that they're like you, and they just don't care enough to take it seriously. If you've got better things to spend your time on, then have at them. But if you have time to post about not pushing back in the Elon Musk thread, you have the time and the interest to lend your voice if you wanted to.
But you don't. Instead you use your voice to advocate for maybe not criticising Musk so much.
Why is that? Why waste your time telling other people not to waste theirs?
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reminds me of the first 8 people that leave comments on news articles complaining about the article/journalist or some issue as to "why is this a story?" you have to scroll a bit to get to an actual convo or any real back and forth...
and always the reason is because it gets clicks and people leaving comments... engagement gets them paid, they don't care if they are angry comments or not. they just count the clicks and comments...
if you are 'smart enough' to notice the "clickbait headline" don't click on it just to tell them.... it just reinforces the clickbait.
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Ah you see this is the mindset that's got me into a lot of trouble. I had a big argument with mum about the war in Ukraine and called her a communist for not denouncing Russia, when in reality she wasn't on either side and just wanted it all to stop. My psychologist said that it was wrong for me to get stuck into her like that. Failing to choose a side doesn't automatically mean that you're siding with the enemy and approving their behaviour, or Elon Musk in this case. Going around telling people that they approve of Musk's behaviour because they don't condone it is dangerous.
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Luckily nobody here suggested doing that in the slightest. If someone speaks out against Musk's behaviour, we're free to find common cause with that. There's a difference between drawing a learned conclusion from large scale societal behaviour and directly telling an individual what to do.
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I think the reality is that she's either ignorant about the conflict or she's actually supporting Russia. Because without support, Ukraine is sooner or later going to have to surrender. It's hard to justify support of Russia though, easier to say that you support nobody and just wants it to stop. What you're effectively asking for when you say that is that Ukraine should surrender and Ukrainians should live the rest of their lives under the tyranny of Kreml. The only question is whether you say that intentionally or because of ignorance.
For two reasons:
1. She is your mother. None of you are going to feel well by having this conflict between you.
2. You can criticise her for not supporting Ukraine, but to get stuck into it is probably not good.
So don't call her a communist and don't get stuck in this conflict with her. But you can criticise her for failing to take sides in the conflict and you can explain what consequences that may have.
If you don't criticise his behaviour then that's a sign that you don't see much of a problem with it.
There's also a big difference between criticising someone's behaviour or action and choosing sides in a conflict. I can criticise the fire bombings of Dresden and the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but that doesn't mean that I'm taking the sides of Hitler and Imperial Japan. I can criticise Obama's drone strike doctrine, but that doesn't mean that I'm taking the side of international terrorism. I can criticise the Democratic Party for its lack of leadership and initiative but that doesn't mean I support Trump.
Bad behaviour should be criticised, otherwise you have no hope in ever correcting it. If you love someone you have to let them know when they behave badly. It's not just a service reserved for your enemies.
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A communist? For not denouncing Russia? Hilarious that an Australian is still using "communist" as a generic slur, but it also shows that you have no idea what a communist is.
Either way, your mum didn't cause the war. Your psychologist is right, when there's a difference of opinion with someone who you have a close relationship with you get to choose whether to let it go for the sake of peace or whether to sabotage your relationship for the sake of that opinion. Sometimes that might be valid, like if your husband was pro-life. Sometimes that might be silly, like if your mum didn't have strong feelings about a war happening on the other side of the world.
But random people on the internet are not your mum. Elon Musk is not your mum. We are not your mum. You don't have to worry about spoiling your relationship with Elon-senpai if you're too mean to him. You don't have a close relationship with any of these people that you have to worry about. You can just say what you think, and that's okay. Other people can say what they think, and that's okay too.
I fear that you haven't understood what your psychologist was trying to teach you about relationships. If there are people close to you that might be offended if you spoke out against Musk, that's maybe a good reason to consider holding your tongue. But I'm not close to those people, and the same is probably true of almost everyone else on this forum. Why would we base our actions on how you choose to behave because of your specific relationships with the people around you?
Yes and no. If you're just not choosing a side because you're ignorant or it doesn't affect you, sure. If you're trying to bury your head in the sand and avoid taking a stance in, say, a thread specifically about a certain person, it raises questions about why you're even here.
If you had no opinion or didn't want to choose a side, you wouldn't have come into the thread. And you certainly wouldn't be posting trying to convince other people to also not choose a side. You just accept that other people can have their opinions but you choose not to engage.
But you did come in, and you're advocating for not giving Musk too hard a time. The obvious motivation for that isn't apathy, the obvious motivation is that you want to defend Musk but you don't want to have to deal with the backlash that comes from being a Musk-suckler.
I think you mean "going around telling people that they approve of Musk's behaviour because they don't denounce it is dangerous", so I'm going to assume that. That's not what's happening here. I'm not saying you approve of Musk because you don't denounce him. I'm saying you approve of him because your actions do not fit the profile of someone who isn't interested, but instead fit the profile of a Musk supporter who doesn't want to deal with the obvious ramifications of stating that directly.
If you don't want to look like a Musk supporter, don't do the things that Musk supporters do.
I wonder why.
No, it does.
In a thread about Musk, if we're talking about some of his actions and your response is "I don't think people should make a big deal out of that, it's a waste of time", that is saying that you don't see much of a problem with it. If that's not what you mean, then say something different.
Well, this explains a lot.
Is it possible to criticise someone that you generally agree with? Or praise someone who you generally disagree with? I think @eran0004 gave pretty good examples of when someone might do exactly that, but you seem to think that's impossible.
This isn't the Church. You don't have to agree with everything someone does or be expelled from society.
Your psychologist has a lot of work ahead of them.
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So I MUST take a stance to post here? Why?
That's gatekeeping.
I'm not a Musk supporter. I think he's a dip**** but how sad must you be to post the same message a dozen times in ALL caps in a video game? Sure, I hate Trump but I'm not going to clog up his Truth Social platform with hate messages because I have better things to do than that.
You're reading into something that's not even there.
Sometimes I agree with people, sometimes I don't. I'm not going to blindly agree with everything someone says.
Of course I'm going to criticise my loved ones if they don't behave but they don't always take it well because sometimes the conflict occurs as a result of a misunderstanding on my part. Criticising a public figure is not the same because they don't give a crap.
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Because you post in a specific thread to a specific reason.
If you act out of "no reason, but I want to, with nothing to say to the topic" in internet slang this is just "spam".
And if talking in person (face to face) you would instead be called ignorant or naive.
No one is asking you to agree to everything, but if you want to have a conversation you either have to agree or disagree and accept people are going both sides. Not taking a stance at all (not adding anything meaningful) disqualifies you from that topic.
Your opinion of "we could well leave him be" is not a matter of "I dont care (enough)", but when you go by the words a signal of "I like him enough to go protective".
Whether this is the case or not is nof for you to decide. Words will be taken the way the will be heard or read, and by reading you can only take them literally - if there is no show of any different meaning.
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Communism has nothing to do with it. Putin wants to restore the Russian Empire, not the Soviet Union. Putin is attractive to republicans because what he is doing in Russia is what republicans want to do in the US - an authoritarian and totalitarian rule with the purpose of making the nation "great" again.
That to me sounds like she is trying to avoid talking about it. She's uncomfortable about her position and doesn't want it to be challenged.
Most people speak out when they have a big problem with something. They typically don't sit quiet and hope it will go away by itself.
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No. Choosing to post here is taking a stance. If you didn't have a stance, you wouldn't care enough to post. You sure wouldn't care enough to argue about it for a full page.
No, it's just common sense.
People who have no opinion on FIFA don't go into soccer forums and post about why people shouldn't bother boycotting FIFA. You're trying to use buzzwords to obscure your defence of Elon Musk.
Why do you care if other people do that though? Does it somehow affect you negatively that other people choose to vocally push back against Elon Musk?
Because generally, the only people that care when a public figure is getting dragged on the internet are the supporters of that figure. You can say you're not a supporter until you're blue in the face, but you're doing exactly what a supporter would do and you can't explain why.
The something that isn't there is your reasons for bothering to post. If you'd like to make them explicit, then go right ahead. But until then I will continue to assume that the obvious thing is correct.
Somehow I think you missed the point.
Right. So you DO understand why criticising Elon Musk isn't the same as your fight with your mum. That's a good start, although it does raise the question of why you brought up the fight with your mum in the first place.
So if public figures don't give a crap, why do they need people like you to defend them? Why not just let everyone else spam and get their rage out if that's what they want to do?
I've explained in fair detail why I think people like Musk should be vocally criticised when they do dumb ****. The closest you've gotten is "it's a waste of time, he's not going to change his mind". If you actually believed that would be a bigger waste of time than the people spamming Musk. It does not make sense for someone who claims to "think Musk is a dip****", such a person doesn't care if Musk is getting spammed in chat - it's the lowest and most easily ignorable form of harrassment.
There are so many more obvious motives for moving to try and dissuade such mild inconvenience for Musk - especially for someone who until very recently was a vocal Trump supporter and then had an oddly sudden and severe change of heart. So why are you really telling people that criticising Musk is a waste of time?
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Such as learning about what communism is, for example.
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It's one thing to fire the reluctant employees of a company you seized the reins of for "poor performance". When you apply this mentality to the citizens of an entire nation, however, it becomes worse by at least an order of magnitude:
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