***Euro GT500 Championship***RACE 5 THREAD CLOSING***

[Lambolover]

First off I think the series is excellent how it is and I think any adjustment should be maybe only 1 or 2 PP's max. This is supported as you say Richard by the initial testing max and Johan did at Suzuka.
Having tested myself and seeing what other people think I think that the Z could do with another 1 maybe 2pp just for hp. I ran with 48, rear downforce at Tokyo and was still a few mph down on the gtr's. Remember 2pp only gives about a 10hp gain so it will probably give a 0.1-0.2 benefit over a lap and will still be slightly down on the straights.
The NSX should maybe get 1PP because it is already quicker on the straights so I think 2 would be too much. Just my opinions.

 

[Ferrari-F150]

Johnkiller2 , first i drove 1 57 around suzuka but then i decided to watch some quick japanese drivers during races to which gear they shift in which corner and where they brake and go on throttle so i did analysis that and i could of drive easily 1 51 - 1 52.

 

[Glitter]

I think this is getting booring with the lowered PP... I know a guy who is very even in EVERY car and he tested all 4 cars @ a Japanese track and ALL cars were in 0.300 EVEN the Nismo Z! One car was faster obviously because he's using that car as his default one...
The lowering of the PP is total BULL SH IT!!

Same result on tm for example?
And what about Driveability

 

[RamoSapiens]

How about the last 5 races in this season:

If more than 16 drivers pick the GT-R we lower the PP to 609. (or max 4 of each model)
If more than 4 drivers pick the Z we lower the PP to 615.
If more than 8 drivers pick the Denso or Petronas we lower the PP to 611.(or max 4 of each model)
If more than 16 drivers pick the NSX we lower the pp to 603.(or max 4 of each model)

Otherwise we MAYBE go with:
GT-R 611
Z 617
Lexus 613
NSX 605

So for example if more than 4 people would pick the
Xanavi GT-R the Xanavi GT-R would be 609PP...
If more than 16 pick any GT-R, all GT-R drive with 609PP.

Would be interresting to see the car choices in this case...


EDIT: Maybe forget the Teams also, now that everyone can pick what car they want....

 

[Sail IC]

Welll, i'll give it a try. I'll test GTR and NSX with full aero and 522bhp and see what i come up with.

Either way, i'm thinking of changing my car for the NSX so i have an interest of my own.

I think it would be great if you switch to an NSX. We would get a true measure how fast a NSX can be.

This would also open up the possibility for Marlboro to team up with Peltonen and he can use the Calsonic that he wants to use. Another super strong team in the making.

 

[XaNoR]

Im thinking of switching back to the Arta NSX again actually...

 

[Piket]

I think it would be great if you switch to an NSX. We would get a true measure how fast a NSX can be.

This would also open up the possibility for Marlboro to team up with Peltonen and he can use the Calsonic that he wants to use. Another super strong team in the making.

I'll do some testing right away and let you know the results.

 

[XaNoR]

Btw. The signature vid. does'nt work anymore Tony

 

[RamoSapiens]

Im thinking of switching back to the Arta NSX again actually...

Try now at Trial M,Tokyo and Nurb/F, NSX with 605 and Lexus
with 613PP. Both tracks is in good memory.👍
That would give You a clear picture i think what car You
should pick.

 

[Piket]

Btw. The signature vid. does'nt work anymore Tony

Bruno Senna is giving me some trouble with that. Just changed it. It should work now.

If you're picking the ARTA then i see a team in the making..

 

[XaNoR]

I love the ARTA NSX because Keichi Tsuchiya drove that and was the Team Manager for the ARTA Team

 

[Christhedude]

Why even bother with this conversation?

GENERAL RULE:

ALWAYS AT LEAST 2 TIRES ON THE CURB

IF NOTHING ELSE IS SAID. (Like for Trial Moutain)

i was gonna mention that too cause i remember about 1 month ago there was a time trial event in the seasonal events and you had to cut corners and run in the grass in order to make the top 100 👎👎👎

To be honest, as awesome as this championship is, and as organized it is, hell, its the best online championship in GT5 im gonna say, i really found it unnecessary to allow corner cutting at Trial Mountain.

I love the ARTA NSX because Keichi Tsuchiya drove that and was the Team Manager for the ARTA Team

same here, totally love the ARTA cause of Keichi Tsuchiya
Chris

 

[XaNoR]

The main reason for allowing corner cuts @ Trial Mountain was that Me, Max, Bigadz and Johan have families and don't want to look at 28 people cutting the first corner for 40 laps




Actually I think we should leave everything as it is until the season is to end. Then change everything. Not in the middle of the season. But thats my opinion

 

[RamoSapiens]

Actually I think we should leave everything as it is until the season is to end. Then change everything. Not in the middle of the season. But thats my opinion

Why?

Hehe....Do I have to mention once more..............
After next race , EVERYBODY CAN CHOOSE WHAT CAR
THEY WANT....IF WE DON´T FIGURE OUT SOMETHING,
WE GO WITH ONLY GTR AND LEXUS THE LAST 5 RACES....

IF THE MAJORITY LIKES 2 MAKE CHAMPIONSHIP, ILL GIVE UP.........THEN WE DO IT..... IT WOULD BE MUCH
EASIER FOR ME ALSO......

If something is wrong, why not test it now, cause we go
next season with 2 divisions. Maybe shorter season with
5 races. I think its good to use this season for testing, so
that everything would be great next season.

 

[XaNoR]

Something isn't wrong! Thats why i don't want you to change things!

 

[XaNoR]

Besides no one complained in the beginning of the season. That was before everyone got the hang of their cars whilst the guys complaining was caught up with the guys getting the hang of it... It all started after Laguna Seca...

 

[XaNoR]

And this is'nt a complaint against the championship. I can't see why you take it like that!

 

[RamoSapiens]

Something isn't wrong! Thats why i don't want you to change things!

Maybe not in Your opinion.....Just take now the NSX to
Tokyo and Trial Mountain to compare Your laptimes to
615PP Lexus....There You see what were talking about.👍

I know it hurts You that the Lexus might have to much PP,
´cause You really like it and has been very competitive with
it. But think a little longer. What if You had sticked to the
ARTA instead of changing to Lexus....Why did You change
in the first place? Was it because You drove faster with the
Lexus....?

Think also if Nissman broke his TM record after say 30 min with
a Lexus at 615 PP, it might have too much PP...
I´m pretty sure he has a few thousand laps there with the
GT-R.

 

[XaNoR]

You know exactly why I changed car so why even ask? I'll tell you once again. I got my tires to last for 6 laps @ Indy and decided to leave the series because I was'nt competitive enough. I tried the NSX @ Laguna Seca and was 0.700 slower only doing MAX 10 laps in total...
Besides that Schumi did'nt like the NSX and we were a team back then

Anyways im skipping this thread until after the race... You only seem to get pissed off when im stating my point here and I don't want that to happen...

 

[xStretch-]

I've said it once and I will say it again! We need to add weight to the GTR and Lexus to make the handling closer to the NSX.

 

[RamoSapiens]

You know exactly why I changed car so why even ask? I'll tell you once again. I got my tires to last for 6 laps @ Indy and decided to leave the series because I was'nt competitive enough. I tried the NSX @ Laguna Seca and was 0.700 slower only doing MAX 10 laps in total...

Heres some facts:

What is wrong with the Lexus, something that could be
a reason to give it more PP than GT-R?
With these PP´s it still has most hp......
All cars with Full Downforce, with can be lowered on
certain tracks to get even more hp.👍

 

[RamoSapiens]

I've said it once and I will say it again! We need to add weight to the GTR and Lexus to make the handling closer to the NSX.

We cant police that.
We go with PP´s cause it gives us the possibility to play
with downforce instead.
If the NSX is faster on fast tracks GTR and LEXUS drivers
just have to lower downforce which gives worser handling
like NSX.👍

 

[nissman]

Otherwise we MAYBE go with:
GT-R 611
Z 617
Lexus 613
NSX 605

IMO, lets go with this.

Tony said he's going with NSX wich I think is a great idea. 👍. So we have a Honda up front and people will still use the GTR, Lexus and Z. With this PP I would still use the Petronas as I already use GTR in my event. Personally I think this PP system would be the best decision.

Think also if Nissman broke his TM record after say 30 min with
a Lexus at 615 PP, it might have too much PP...
I´m pretty sure he has a few thousand laps there with the
GT-R.

It wasnt 30 min really, it was at the end of the race with an empty tank and the lap driving wise was perfect. The best of my thousand laps.

 

[xStretch-]

We cant police that.
We go with PP´s cause it gives us the possibility to play
with downforce instead.
If the NSX is faster on fast tracks GTR and LEXUS drivers
just have to lower downforce which gives worser handling
like NSX.👍

Ahh, I thought you could put a PP and weight limit

This championships awesome regardless the PP's

 

[RamoSapiens]

Ye, I think its more interresting to could set up
Your downforce for different tracks.👍

Maybe easiest would be to go for a HP and KG limit.
But then everybody would drive with full DF, and
I´m not sure if all the cars would be equal then.
At least I think the Z would have a real advantage,
with its massive Torque.

I´m really sure We find the right PP´s if We test these
cars. I don´t really see it as wrong to anybody if
We changed the PP´s even after every race, so long
that they would be right when next season starts.

So I propose that We already should try next race with
these PP´s: After Nurb we would already be a little bit wiser.

 

[RamoSapiens]

Or how about just go with the 4 GT-R´s.(NOT Woodone).
And have 4 Teams instead. PP-Penalties for the 3 fastest
Guys. -6PP,-4PP and -2PP.

PP 613 for all cars.

I think the Championship would be as interresting as before,
maybe not so many colours, but everything would be easier.

 

[MaccGyver]

Lets just do single make races .
Different car for each race.
Job Done.

Edit: Or just give the Z 2pp and the Nsx 1PP more.

 

[Glutinous]

I think I´m not good enough to join the pp debate so I won´t BUT I don´t think you should lower the pp of cars, just increase the pp on the cars that seem too slow.

 

[RamoSapiens]

Lets just do single make races .
Different car for each race.
Job Done.

Edit: Or just give the Z 2pp and the Nsx 1PP more.

It could be a problem to change cars to each race...
I have them all, but I think here´s many guys that don´t.

I think personally it would be really fine with just those
GT-R´s, not so colourful, but there wouldnt be the endless
discussion which car has wrong PP.👍

Think its by far the most used car anyway....

If the Majority like it, we could try it 5 last races.👍

 

[Piket]

Bad news boys.

Did some testing with 605pp NSX, GTR 613pp :

After 10 laps with the ARTA and some setup tweaking i got a 1:51.0xx.

With the GT-R, Tokyo setup first flying lap was 1:49.5xx

That's a big difference considering these cars should have equal performances at least on a fast circuit like Nurb. Also i have driven the Nsx before so i'm used to it enough to be able to pull some good laps right away.