Everyone loves petty revenge videos right?
- Thread starter gmaki
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- 1,466
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- mikethehockeyfan
Entertaining video, and you put some real work into it so thanks for sharing.
This is a good example of a toxic battle of cars going on around you (the forum poster) as a driver. You notice the other two cars are doing some pretty bad stuff, so you have a decision to make as to whether you want to let the two take themselves out and cost you time, or whether you should get into the mix.
Personally I'd err on the side of not destroying my SR as the red mist descends and the three of us march into hell together, but to each his own.
This is a good example of a toxic battle of cars going on around you (the forum poster) as a driver. You notice the other two cars are doing some pretty bad stuff, so you have a decision to make as to whether you want to let the two take themselves out and cost you time, or whether you should get into the mix.
Personally I'd err on the side of not destroying my SR as the red mist descends and the three of us march into hell together, but to each his own.
You are absolutely right, and on the whole I was absolutely wrong. Worse yet I was in that race specifically to race clean as my SR had fallen below 99 so I was even dumber to get sucked in. Yet get sucked in I did and ended lowering my SR rather than restoring it.
I also always preach on this forum to shrug this stuff off and get back to work racing clean. But I guess I don't always practice what I preach.
- 161
- Australia
These races destroy your SR however sometimes I think payback is deserved
Yep! It was also one of those cases where for two laps I thought the dude was gone and I had been sent too far back, so I had almost let it go and moved on. But two laps later when I saw the guy only 3 places ahead of me the bad thoughts started coming up. Then as I watched the opportunity open up for me approaching the chicane it was almost like God wanted me to get revenge.
He never recovered and finished like 17th or something. I watched his replay and he was clearly raging and doing insane stuff to catch me but it just resulted in more offs for him.
Oh I should also point out that in this particular race I think I started 8th on the grid and then autodrive actually put me in reverse while the rest of the field passed me. Just another data point about my frame of mind.
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
I kind of thought it looked like you kept closing the gap down when you could have left some space, but he shouldn't have punted you off, and for that he has to accept you punting him off in revenge.
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- So. California
- UnkaD
Not defending him, but I think he might have just been distracted by the other guy. Again, I'm not defending the mistake as it was pretty boneheaded, but the rest of the video shows he's at least trying to race clean but seems to lack the skill and concentration to run in traffic.
I did the same exact thing once during the beta and the guy sent a furious message on psn. After I replied saying that I was distracted and couldn't be more sorry, he was really cool and just happy that I didn't ignore him. Although, I was distracted by something in my home. I don't think another car could take that much of my attention away from braking zones.
I did the same exact thing once during the beta and the guy sent a furious message on psn. After I replied saying that I was distracted and couldn't be more sorry, he was really cool and just happy that I didn't ignore him. Although, I was distracted by something in my home. I don't think another car could take that much of my attention away from braking zones.
Yeah that is why I think that is what made him mad. But in my opinion I had the line and I left him a full car width on the outside. I thought I had made a clean pass to be honest but I am sure he did not agree.
I know the feeling, and ive done similar if my race is ruined, then ill pay someone back - doesn't help the SR but makes me feel better hah
I dont think the 1st corner is what started it though, I'd suspect it was the squeezing him off the track in places. Yeah, his second hit looked fairly intentional, but then next you squeeze him off and turn late etc taking strange racing lines. Some of the nudges 'he gave you' id say you were being fairly aggressive with your driving so he was probably equally frustrated
I tend to find with most, that if they nudge you, but you give them space and dont return the favour, then the story ends there and then. Yes, the odd wise guy is just poor and just nudges everyone, but I think if you hadn't have ran him off later on, you would have probably sorted your differences out by being the bigger person
I dont think the 1st corner is what started it though, I'd suspect it was the squeezing him off the track in places. Yeah, his second hit looked fairly intentional, but then next you squeeze him off and turn late etc taking strange racing lines. Some of the nudges 'he gave you' id say you were being fairly aggressive with your driving so he was probably equally frustrated
I tend to find with most, that if they nudge you, but you give them space and dont return the favour, then the story ends there and then. Yes, the odd wise guy is just poor and just nudges everyone, but I think if you hadn't have ran him off later on, you would have probably sorted your differences out by being the bigger person
Well looking at the replay where he punted me off he was nowhere near the racing line and aimed his car right at me. Also you can see him hammering me from the side not too long before that.
I could give him any ONE of those events, but there were four and the only thing his other clean racing tells me is that he was specifically out to get me because I passed him somewhere that he thought he should not have been passed. If you look at the start of the straight you can see someone hit me in the rear, which gave me the boost that enabled the pass. He may not have understood how it was possible I out dragged him on the straight. But that is not my problem.
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- mikethehockeyfan
Ah, the red mist gets the best of all of us.
I try to be the furthest possible from a toxic player, but I get drawn into 1v1 battles that get dirty if there are no cars close behind, and if I and my opponent have the SR-S to pay for the horrible transgressions we are about to make with each other's bodywork.
- 1,654
- UK
- JacksHereR
Yeh he could have been distracted by the car behind preparing a move on him, seeing his throttle/brake input probably wouldn't help his defence though.
I bet the initial 14th place Porsche guy smiled.
I bet the initial 14th place Porsche guy smiled.
I did but only after the double hit in short succession. I felt I had the right to take the position back. But again you are right being the bigger man was the right choice there, I don't deny that at all.
The "Tater" guy. Yeah he was a witness to the whole thing and must have enjoyed quite a show. He was not the cleanest either though. I am sure I ended up several spots in front of him.
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- 1,654
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- JacksHereR
At the very start, you got your boost by closing the door on the guy behind who had better exit speed and would have passed you if you stayed on the inside.
After watching a few times, I think the beetle was getting frustrated with you, his action to punt you off was still deserved of revenge though.
After watching a few times, I think the beetle was getting frustrated with you, his action to punt you off was still deserved of revenge though.
- 1,303
- So. California
- UnkaD
I'm just trying to be objective, and I would be pretty miffed too if it happened to me. One thing, he didn't hammer you from the side. You were closing the gap to the edge of the track and he was running along that edge. I'll give you everything else, but not that one.
I accept your objectivity and you are correct. I was giving him zero respect by that point.
Are you saying I can't close the door on someone I am ahead of? One move, on the regular racing line. Sorry I am not going to beat myself up over that. It gets done to me all the time and I think nothing of it. If you are ahead of me and you make one move to block me, that's racing.
- 912
- Brazil
Feels like you actually forced his hand on this, though his action of shunting you was still wrong.
Going out on a limb here, but I think you should try to keep some space while overtaking(specially on the straight away at the beginning).
I usually avoid overtaking unless I'm sure there is viable time to leave my line, go around the car, come back and have time enough to brake in the braking point. And when I do it I make sure to leave at least one car width of space between me and the other car.
Going out on a limb here, but I think you should try to keep some space while overtaking(specially on the straight away at the beginning).
I usually avoid overtaking unless I'm sure there is viable time to leave my line, go around the car, come back and have time enough to brake in the braking point. And when I do it I make sure to leave at least one car width of space between me and the other car.
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To me everyone looks incompetent.
Im not convinced there was anything malicious until the actions at the very end. Just looked like a combination of people using controllers and or not knowing where other cars are around them with an added dose of a lack of practice.
Im not convinced there was anything malicious until the actions at the very end. Just looked like a combination of people using controllers and or not knowing where other cars are around them with an added dose of a lack of practice.
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- Saginaw, MI
- Gr8_Lakes
I'll never advocate revenge. It may feel deserved sometimes, but often it'll be left to someone's judgement in the heat of the battle. And when folks think there's a "right" time for revenge, it's just going to be more prevalent overall.
Aside from that, @gmaki , I don't see anything wrong with your clean racing. You're a bit aggressive, but still within the rules. I'm comfortable racing in traffic, and I'd be happy to race against you anytime.
Aside from that, @gmaki , I don't see anything wrong with your clean racing. You're a bit aggressive, but still within the rules. I'm comfortable racing in traffic, and I'd be happy to race against you anytime.
Well, yes I was mired in hell at this point. Just prior to this I had stayed up late the night before and spent 4 or 5 races with a bunch of Brazilians. All the stereotypes about Brazilian drivers are true btw. By the end of it all was down to SR-B. So this was one of my "B - B" races and I was attempting to climb my way back out. So I was expecting a lot of sloppiness and mistakes anyway. Intentional punting though was not on my list, especially for pretty much no reason.
- 87,750
- Rule 12
- GTP_Famine
At the very start of the video, you tap the Beetle on the inside of the last turn. That's the very first contact we see in this video - you haven't included anything else from the first lap, so we have no way of knowing what occurred before that which may have precipitated this first incident.
After the daftness in turns 2 and 3, when you have "ummmm..." on the screen you can quite clearly see you're crowding the Beetle off the track - your steering is angled towards him when he's alongside you and at the edge of the track. It can't be that much of a surprise that he's steering away from, you know, the dirt you're trying to put him into. And then you crowd him off the track again exiting Turn 6...
And we won't mention the chap in the other Porsche, who you batter into a slide in Turn 4. You were so busy trying to get revenge on a guy who, it seems, was trying to get revenge on you, neither of you bothered to notice any of the other drivers.
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It's the part where we get to directly affect how accurate a simulation is. Any driving that breaks with what we could reasonably expect from a real race counts against the simulation factor.
That might sound overly dramatic, but we make up what is the substitute for the substitute (AI). The "AI" in GTS took a minute hit when you took revenge. It's a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is made up of drops. What's more, there are ripples. The driver that offended you has one less reason to change their ways, the drivers around to witness have one less reason to view experiencing GTS as an accurate simulation.
That might sound overly dramatic, but we make up what is the substitute for the substitute (AI). The "AI" in GTS took a minute hit when you took revenge. It's a drop in the ocean, but the ocean is made up of drops. What's more, there are ripples. The driver that offended you has one less reason to change their ways, the drivers around to witness have one less reason to view experiencing GTS as an accurate simulation.
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- Cumbernauld
This is a mixed bag. Starts off with someone that was faster than myself and the person I was racing. They span out early from 2nd or 3rd and barged by everyone on the way back up through the field. Pity a bit of rake fade soon took them out.
The second clip I had a run on them, I thought, but rather than play it cool and take the inside at the right hander they turn into me. As we hit the first apex I just open the steering and let them bounce me to the apex, giving them a penalty and letting someone else through. Bonus.
I did misjudge the gap initially in the third clip, but then they try force me off and end up offing themselves before rage quitting. The sweetest revenge.
Finally, a decent person that gives the position back after rear ending me.
The second clip I had a run on them, I thought, but rather than play it cool and take the inside at the right hander they turn into me. As we hit the first apex I just open the steering and let them bounce me to the apex, giving them a penalty and letting someone else through. Bonus.
I did misjudge the gap initially in the third clip, but then they try force me off and end up offing themselves before rage quitting. The sweetest revenge.
Finally, a decent person that gives the position back after rear ending me.
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- Windsor, Ontario, Canada
- Johnnypenso
:01-:07 you're crowding him in the corner. There isn't enough room to get by but you've got your nose firmly planted right on his right rear quarter panel. There may have been very slight contact at :05 as his car seems to slip out slightly but suddenly but I can't be 100% sure. While not illegal or against any rules I know of it's a bit on the aggressive side for an online race with strangers to be that close in a corner. It leaves zero margin for error and considering you don't know what his input device is or how consistent he is, it's a recipe for contact. If you had done this for several corners and made slight contact here or there, that kind of thing sets some people on edge.
:20 you force him to the outside and possibly onto the rumble strips. If he's onto the rumble strips that's not legal or sporting IMO. Even if he's not, you're only giving him a single lane which leaves absolutely no room for error. Again, not against any rules I know of, but I think some would consider it a bit agressive in an online race with strangers.
:24 bump in the hairpin on his part may have been accidental but it was very low speed and no harm done.
:31 he's only at half throttle just briefly right before he hits you. If it was intentional he would have had it floored I would think. You look very slow through that corner and it looks like he might have thought you should have been accelerating already.
:36 it's quite possible he was hit from behind by the other car and punted into you as he hits the brakes immediately after it looks like the other car made contact. You also look to be braking pretty early for that corner and it may have caught him off guard as he was checking his radar or mirror to see what the guy behind him was doing.
:49 it looks like you're trying to force him onto the grass.
1:00 it looks like he's giving you plenty of space in that corner but he still has overlap and you need to leave space for him at the exit. Instead it looks like you tried to squeeze him up and onto the curbing. At 1:02 it looks like you deliberately moved to the left and made contact even though he was there and giving you room and you should have given him plenty of room as well, but as a minimum avoiding deliberate contact.
From his perspective, all of his contact may have been accidental or caused by someone else, but you may have bumped him in one corner and tried to force him off the track 2 or 3 times. Even after you tried to force him off the track and onto the grass he still gave you room in the hairpin but you tried to squeeze him onto the curbing. I can understand, again from his perspective, why he'd be miffed. I looked at it as his way of saying, "Ok, I'm giving you room, lets race clean" and instead he just gets rubbed to the outside. I can just see him thinking on the following straight, "Ok, I tried, this guy is a real 🤬 and he's intentionally trying to force me off the road, I'm just gonna take him out and be done with it". Which, coincidentally, is the same thing you did.
Are you certain about that? Here is the entire incident exclusively from my bumper cam. I went over it several times and snapped a photo of the closest I ever was to him. I don't think I tapped him and if I did it was so minor that it didn't even unsettle him. If you want to see my vid from the very start of the race I will upload it but I assure you until that corner there was no history between me and that beetle.
Look guys, I am not sure what game some of your are playing, but everything you are criticizing me for "you are trying to force him onto the grass" is from some other planet. If i was "trying" to force him on to the grass he would have been on the grass. Yes, sometimes I leave him JUST enough room to stay on track, while setting my self up better for the turn.
That is racing my friends and if you can't handle it you shouldn't be there. The same things happens to me all the time and as long as I am left enough room to have 4 wheels on some form of pavement I see it as fair play. If I can't manage my car in that situation then I should back off.
I accept all the criticism for the red mist driving after the second bump. But prior to that I have to disagree.
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- 87,750
- Rule 12
- GTP_Famine
Yep.
At 2'14.466 you've finished braking and are coasting at 58mph. At 2'14.733 you're still coasting but your speed drops to 53mph. That's a 0.85g deceleration, consistent with braking (which you're not doing) or hitting something:
Oh, and your traction control light is on but you aren't on the power, which is a dead giveaway that you've lost traction for some reason...
Here we can see that the Beetle is alongside you, to the right, at the edge of the track and you are steering to the right:
I'm sure that you can see the trajectory of your car is straight toward the edge of the track at the kink ahead of you, ignoring the fact that there is a car right next to you already...
And then again a few tenths of a second later:
And don't double-post. Use the Multiquote features we have for that exact purpose.
SO? I still maintain I did not hit him but EVEN IF I did, it is the most inconsequential of taps. I get hit harder than that 10 times a race and somehow manage to not lose my temper and start punting people off track. Have you never been in a pack of cars trying to get through a corner?
I have never argued I wasn't in the wrong AFTER he hit me twice. I accept any criticism you want to give me for losing my temper. Because I did. But I don't accept that I did anything wrong before that. Maybe "slightly aggressive" but I thought this was a racing game that we are trying to win?
Not everyone loves these things, all I need to do is play online to see it first hand, no video needed. The very thing complained about is now glorified? No Thanks.
I don't think anyone is glorifying including me. I take it as a lapse to be honest. It is something that feels good in the moment but we all know is bad form in the long run. It cost me a day of grinding to get my SR back and get out of racing with those kind of people.
Make no mistake it was stupid. And Famine made a pretty good case that all the things that got me angry could have been accidental. If so then the whole situation is even worse.
Even the people in this thread who agreed with my actions have not glorified them.
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