Everything GT5 could learn from iRacing

[superbike81]

$*&#(#!@ Grand Prix Legends. iRacing is complete cake compared to that game. Playing Grand Prix Legends was fun part of the time, but massochism (self-torture) the majority of the time. That game was so great and so maddening at the same time.

iRacing is a difficult game, no doubt about it, but it's manageable as long as you don't try to drive it like you do GT5 or Forza. If you have experience with GPL, you should have the delicate touch required for many of these cars. I am anxious to see how the Lotus 49 turns out when they release it next year, I think some comparisons to GPL could be brought in at that point.

 

[Eric.]

Anyway.. my point was,. That you guys are on one of the largest GT communities out there! If you are failing to find competitive and clean online racing the fault is your own. Check out the clubs and race event sections. There is a race series out there for ANY type of car, with restrictions and adjudicating to boot. My own club runs with all aids off, penalties off and damage to heavy.

And the problem with this is scheduling. I work a pretty random schedule and go to college, so from week to week I can't dedicate myself to anything. In iRacing, I can find a pickup race anytime (well, nearly ) and be assured it will be with a pretty good bunch of drivers.

 

[plate88]

And the problem with this is scheduling. I work a pretty random schedule and go to college, so from week to week I can't dedicate myself to anything. In iRacing, I can find a pickup race anytime (well, nearly ) and be assured it will be with a pretty good bunch of drivers.

Yup, this is one of many reasons I love iRacing so much.👍 9 out of 10 times you'll have clean and fair race. And its nice to not be burdened by a particular time/date for a race. You have all week to do at least 1 race along with 4 drop weeks in every season. Even a busy person can run a whole season with points and stats to show for it.

 

[sthnsn]

time to check out iracing i think. the GT series has always been a favourite of mine, but theres only so many times u can race around a track, earn money and put a stupid amount of horsepower into a car that no ones ever hear of.

 

[somebodysb2]

Your thread is more about how to make GT more like iRacing. Keep in mind that GT targets a different, more mainstream market.

 

[Patrocles]

Your thread is more about how to make GT more like iRacing. Keep in mind that GT targets a different, more mainstream market.

Yes!
And remember that the game targets and actual game uses are not mutually exclusive.
Cheers!

 

[vampyr]

based on the fact that this thread was created. I would say that the OP actually likes GT5 MORE than iRacing... and because of this, wishes GT5 would be add some of iRacing's feature set.

Truth is... iRacing is not 'entertaining'. It's to be more considered as a productivity software than a game. GT5 is a game that is meant to entertain you.

I just don't think you can compare the 2 or 'mold' the 2. I personally play GT5 more than I am on iRacing. Only because the only 2 cars I enjoy on iRacing is the Corvette and Ford GT and after so many hours, I get bored.

I think if GT5 just worked on a side game that was multiplayer only, then THAT would be awesome. I really enjoy racing online against other players, but too many idiots play consoles and just want to watch you wreck.

Forza comes close with some of their different multiplayer games, but their game is meant to be played with the controller, not an actual racing wheel.

 

[WedgeX]

based on the fact that this thread was created. I would say that the OP actually likes GT5 MORE than iRacing... and because of this, wishes GT5 would be add some of iRacing's feature set.

Truth is... iRacing is not 'entertaining'. It's to be more considered as a productivity software than a game. GT5 is a game that is meant to entertain you.

Well I wouldn't say I like GT5 more .... the fact is as I might have mentioned before... I ended up starting iRacing and GT5 at the same time.... and now iRacing is what I play and GT5 is something I only get around too a couple times a month - sometimes I wish I had spent a little more time playing GT5 and getting into the competitive side with time trials and what not - but it wouldn't have been racing - it would have been TT events because to me are the only real competition available in GT5.... and this point is clear when you consider GT academy is determined by TT and not online races.... everyone keeps talking about GT5 leagues and organized racing - well those are just side shows to GT5 ...they are Not official races.... they don't add up to anything in the grand scheme of the entire GT5 community (only in relation to a handful of guys you are racing with) ... there is no online racing leader board that is officially sanctioned that shows your wins losses against all other racers - so again the only real direct competition is in some of the seasonal Time Trials and GT Academy

the difference with iRacing is that the main focus is actual racing and Time Trials are really not considered very important overall... plus all the races count against all other iRacers - there are some out-side league races like with GT5 that are player organized and they are getting more popular ...but the majority of players are doing official iracing sanctioned races that are all scored ....

I guess my point to all of this is..... GT5 is really lacking in the quality of the online racing - in alot of aspects I actually like it better ... i can live with it being slightly less realistic ... what I can't really get over are the lag issues, the scrappy driving, unrealistic collisions, and lack of any focus to the online racing as a whole... in a nutshell, I just want everyone to have race without lag and with an equal car - as little as that is to ask I haven't been able to find it online randomly .... YES there are leagues, with the leagues some admins are doing an amazing job setting this up but lets be honest, its a hell of a lot of work by both admins and players

a friend of mine was in a league and they were having such a hard time having fair shuffle racing they switched too fixed setups so the admin sent out huge e-mails with list and lists of car setups he wanted everyone to apply.... in the end he quit the league because he couldn't be bothered to do all that work just to have a few races.... Why can't the admin control this himself? because right now its just too complicated with all the tuning factors .... I know they are getting better with updates but maybe what they need is a way to simplify all of this stuff?...

I could go on and on..... but at the end of the day my mission in iRacing is clear - get faster, get more consistent, win races ... in GT5 I have no idea what my goals are or what the point is.... That's ultimately my issue with GT5, if you don't have that problem than good for you, I have nothing against anyone who enjoys GT5 as competition, enjoyment or whatever you get from it.... I can only speak to how I feel about it.... the reason all of this bothers me, is that the actual Driving is really good in GT5, more car variety, better graphics... just a little short on racing for my taste......

 

[polizei]

I agree with WedgeX on pretty much everything you said. 👍

The leap from GT4 to GT5 really disappointed me. I bought my PS3 for GT5, so the wait was pretty annoying and i played a few months of iRacing while i was waiting. I was very impressed with the quality of the drivers (well, most of the drivers, there are douche bags everywhere) and the penalty system. At first, the penalty system was a steep learning curve, but once i learned to drive clean i found iRacing to be a very fun game/simulator. When GT5 finally came out i couldn't believe how poorly implemented some of the features were implemented. Finding an online race was clunky, to say the least. Finding a room of like-minded players was virtually impossible, until i found this website. The GT5 penalty system, wall bouncing, car punting, invincible cars and invisible barriers was hugely annoying as well. As for the newest update, it's pushing me towards building another PC to get back into iRacing and the PC racing community. There's just too many problems with GT5, although i really do enjoy the people and races i've entered with people from this website.

 

[GTP_FastM3]

Well I wouldn't say I like GT5 more .... the fact is as I might have mentioned before... I ended up starting iRacing and GT5 at the same time.... and now iRacing is what I play and GT5 is something I only get around too a couple times a month - sometimes I wish I had spent a little more time playing GT5 and getting into the competitive side with time trials and what not - but it wouldn't have been racing - it would have been TT events because to me are the only real competition available in GT5.... and this point is clear when you consider GT academy is determined by TT and not online races.... everyone keeps talking about GT5 leagues and organized racing - well those are just side shows to GT5 ...they are Not official races.... they don't add up to anything in the grand scheme of the entire GT5 community (only in relation to a handful of guys you are racing with) ... there is no online racing leader board that is officially sanctioned that shows your wins losses against all other racers - so again the only real direct competition is in some of the seasonal Time Trials and GT Academy

the difference with iRacing is that the main focus is actual racing and Time Trials are really not considered very important overall... plus all the races count against all other iRacers - there are some out-side league races like with GT5 that are player organized and they are getting more popular ...but the majority of players are doing official iracing sanctioned races that are all scored ....

I guess my point to all of this is..... GT5 is really lacking in the quality of the online racing - in alot of aspects I actually like it better ... i can live with it being slightly less realistic ... what I can't really get over are the lag issues, the scrappy driving, unrealistic collisions, and lack of any focus to the online racing as a whole... in a nutshell, I just want everyone to have race without lag and with an equal car - as little as that is to ask I haven't been able to find it online randomly .... YES there are leagues, with the leagues some admins are doing an amazing job setting this up but lets be honest, its a hell of a lot of work by both admins and players

a friend of mine was in a league and they were having such a hard time having fair shuffle racing they switched too fixed setups so the admin sent out huge e-mails with list and lists of car setups he wanted everyone to apply.... in the end he quit the league because he couldn't be bothered to do all that work just to have a few races.... Why can't the admin control this himself? because right now its just too complicated with all the tuning factors .... I know they are getting better with updates but maybe what they need is a way to simplify all of this stuff?...

I could go on and on..... but at the end of the day my mission in iRacing is clear - get faster, get more consistent, win races ... in GT5 I have no idea what my goals are or what the point is.... That's ultimately my issue with GT5, if you don't have that problem than good for you, I have nothing against anyone who enjoys GT5 as competition, enjoyment or whatever you get from it.... I can only speak to how I feel about it.... the reason all of this bothers me, is that the actual Driving is really good in GT5, more car variety, better graphics... just a little short on racing for my taste......

About 2-3 months ago I began losin interest in GT5. I then got into a league and the weekly races and practices gave me a goal and reenergized my GT racing. However with the online issues and demands of trying to race at a fixed time every week I'm losing interest again.

I wasnt sure why I was losing interest in GT5, but I think your post sums it up. Unless you work really hard at it, you end up just racing against yourself. The only way to fix it would be for PD to improve the AI to make them race worthy and/or drastically restructure the online experience to make it much easier to find real races with drivers of equal skill.

If iRacing can have organized races 24/7 with only 30000 users imagine how many organized races GT5 could have if they outh their mind to it

 

[polizei]

After watching some iRacing youtube videos and seeing how clean the drivers are it really made me sad to play GT5 (even with GTP members) who were banging doors, bumpers, etc. I don't mind a little rubbing, but trying to be a one-lap hero, diving inside on every corner is really annoying! I wish there was a happy medium between iRacing penalties and GT5 penalties.

My biggest gripe with GT5 is that it plays and looks like the developers never touched another racing game since GT4, which was released in 2004. I know they are going to build upon what they have established, but the other racing games are adding so much more content that GT5 is missing. Does anyone even care about the museum, for example?

 

[Pingwhen]

After watching some iRacing youtube videos and seeing how clean the drivers are it really made me sad to play GT5 (even with GTP members) who were banging doors, bumpers, etc. I don't mind a little rubbing, but trying to be a one-lap hero, diving inside on every corner is really annoying! I wish there was a happy medium between iRacing penalties and GT5 penalties.

My biggest gripe with GT5 is that it plays and looks like the developers never touched another racing game since GT4, which was released in 2004. I know they are going to build upon what they have established, but the other racing games are adding so much more content that GT5 is missing. Does anyone even care about the museum, for example?

im with you 100%. i thought the look of gt was great. i figured make it all look "perfect" because "real" just cant be done well enough. im sorry but iracing is fantastic with its lighting, Daytona opened my eyes so much to prove that a track and really look like a real world place. i think gt5 needs a new developer, or honestly just a new lead developer because they are so stuck in their ways. ive been in love with gt forever. and iracing has made me drop it in about a month.

 

[Patrocles]

After watching some iRacing youtube videos and seeing how clean the drivers are it really made me sad to play GT5 (even with GTP members) who were banging doors, bumpers, etc. I don't mind a little rubbing, but trying to be a one-lap hero, diving inside on every corner is really annoying! I wish there was a happy medium between iRacing penalties and GT5 penalties.

My biggest gripe with GT5 is that it plays and looks like the developers never touched another racing game since GT4, which was released in 2004. I know they are going to build upon what they have established, but the other racing games are adding so much more content that GT5 is missing. Does anyone even care about the museum, for example?

My reason for playing these games is for wheel-to-wheel racing.

Against the AI I find the GT5 game lacking unless I detune a slower car.

I am too busy with real-life(tm) to join a league and race at scheduled times. Therefore online pickup racing is the only option for myself. GT5 pickup racing is not clean and I echo your statment above in your first paragraph.

iRacing does one thing and does it extremely well - and that is wheel-to-wheel pickup racing. I find myself neglecting not only GT5 but my other racing games as well (GTR2, GSC, NKPro) because I find iRacing to the best option for my hobby/entertainment.
iRacing is also a bit expensive relative to other games. This was teh biggest hurdle for myself to overcome. But now that I am a iRacing member I find it to be a great value for my entertainment money!

 

[Eric.]

The problem with GT5 and Forza is that the pickup races have to have one-lap wonders because you have three laps to win. If they were iRacing-length races you would have two cars finish because all but the leaders will ragequit when they see they won't ever catch up.

 

[polizei]

The problem with GT5 and Forza is that the pickup races have to have one-lap wonders because you have three laps to win. If they were iRacing-length races you would have two cars finish because all but the leaders will ragequit when they see they won't ever catch up.

Which is why some kind of rating system would be a huge plus to GT5. the levels 1-40 mean absolutely nothing. They only represent people with lots of spare time. If the 1-40 actually related to driver skill, it would make match-making a lot easier. imagine rooms that only allow 0-10,11-20,21-30, etc. etc. and of course open rooms for everyone to participate. There are a million tiny ways to make GT5 better, and the developer just seems to show absolutely no innovation.

In-race split times would be huge for online racing. I can't stand only knowing how far behind the leader i am.

 

[gorsad]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

 

[Pingwhen]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

iracing, gt5 in no way is FUN. the game feels extremely out of touch with what anyone would want. the hole game felt like a grind to me and i never got an real pleasure out of the game. the tracks are ok nothing fantastic. iracing has a better community, and the best tracks. no one REALLY needs le man or the ring (although i would love it)

 

[polizei]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

That's tough. IMO, they are both very different. GT5 is a game, iRacing is a simulator. I haven't played iRacing in over a year so i can't really give a fair assessment due to the updates since then.

 

[fatkrakr]

I would have to go with gt5. Iracing does alot of things great. Cars feel great as do the tracks. The points and safety rating is nice, but there is no just pick up the game and race. What and when you can race is very limited. The most disappointing thing in iracing for me is the clean racing. I havent had one race where Ive not been booted off the track or pushed into a wall or hit by someone coming back on track sideways. Ive only had one race where I didnt have to pit for repairs. Iracing isnt any cleaner than a gt5 room that says clean drivers only. I went from rookie to class d only, but still its not as clean as I was lead to beleave. If your looking for good offical racing with points iracing is your game. If your looking for clean racing stick with what your playing and race your friends. Iracing isnt any cleaner racing than other games. The first corner is still a nightmare. I was told start from the pits to avoid the accidents and it does help, but who the hell wants to start a race from the pits. Im here to race. If your joining iracing for cleaner racing you probably wont find it. Just my 1 month take on iracing.

 

[WedgeX]

I would have to go with gt5. Iracing does alot of things great. Cars feel great as do the tracks. The points and safety rating is nice, but there is no just pick up the game and race. What and when you can race is very limited. The most disappointing thing in iracing for me is the clean racing. I havent had one race where Ive not been booted off the track or pushed into a wall or hit by someone coming back on track sideways. Ive only had one race where I didnt have to pit for repairs. Iracing isnt any cleaner than a gt5 room that says clean drivers only. I went from rookie to class d only, but still its not as clean as I was lead to beleave. If your looking for good offical racing with points iracing is your game. If your looking for clean racing stick with what your playing and race your friends. Iracing isnt any cleaner racing than other games. The first corner is still a nightmare. I was told start from the pits to avoid the accidents and it does help, but who the hell wants to start a race from the pits. Im here to race. If your joining iracing for cleaner racing you probably wont find it. Just my 1 month take on iracing.

well I'm sorry you didn't stick with iRacing long enough to find out that it does get better....

I'm not knocking what you said because I agree with it to some extent because its pretty much what I experienced in my first 1-2 months playing - what you have to realize is that when you start as a rookie you are also playing with other rookies .. everyone is still learning, to give each-other room, to fallow good etiquette for passing/overtaking and some are still too stubborn to let faster cars go by them....

I crashed out of my first 3 or 4 races ... usually I blamed the other drivers but what I came to realize is that in every crash I was still the common denominator - meaning that I chose to trust bad drivers and I chose to attempt risky passes on them ... I also blamed the other drivers in some cases when after watching the replays it almost never was intentional contact merely poor car control on both our behalf - and even a few times where it wasn't their fault at all but my own.


I won't say its ever going to be 100% clean ...but I don't agree that GT5 is as clean .... GT5 isn't as clean because there is almost nothing at stake in any of the crashes ... the cars drive realistically but in contact its like 2 tanks rubbing against each other ... in iRacing the slightest touch can knock your car off its line.... but because its so risky to make contact people generally try to drive clean (at-least in my experience) ... I don't feel they do as much in GT5 ... infact I feel like I'm being bullied by car contact much of the time when I play gt5 online. The consequences are worse in iRacing obviously but that's what makes the clean races you do have so much more exciting because its all so much closer to all being over in an instant at any given moment.

the one thing I've never felt in GT5 so far is that I was ever in a real race.... the game is amazing in every other way .... I very much enjoy playing against my ghost car, and I have sincerly met cool people online in gt5 .... but the racing.... its all about the racing.

 

[left888]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

iRacing all the way. iRacing has a learning curve and once you get past that you realize how much better it is then any other racer out their.

 

[superbike81]

To really get into the good competitive CLEAN racing, you have to get into the higher license classes. You can get good races in any class, but it gets so much better as you progress through the ranks.

To answer the question, I would never go back to only GT5 again. If I was to quit iRacing, I would simply go to another PC sim like rFactor2 or GPL.

 

[Patrocles]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

iRacing hands down!

For racing, GT5 is dead to me.

 

[Patrocles]

I would have to go with gt5. Iracing does alot of things great. Cars feel great as do the tracks. The points and safety rating is nice, but there is no just pick up the game and race. What and when you can race is very limited. The most disappointing thing in iracing for me is the clean racing. I havent had one race where Ive not been booted off the track or pushed into a wall or hit by someone coming back on track sideways. Ive only had one race where I didnt have to pit for repairs. Iracing isnt any cleaner than a gt5 room that says clean drivers only. I went from rookie to class d only, but still its not as clean as I was lead to beleave. If your looking for good offical racing with points iracing is your game. If your looking for clean racing stick with what your playing and race your friends. Iracing isnt any cleaner racing than other games. The first corner is still a nightmare. I was told start from the pits to avoid the accidents and it does help, but who the hell wants to start a race from the pits. Im here to race. If your joining iracing for cleaner racing you probably wont find it. Just my 1 month take on iracing.

Unfortunately, you did not spend much time with iRacing. I also guess your SR was pretty low so you were running in the lower splits with less predictable pilots.

Once you get your advanced licenses and SR up to a decent level to run in the higher splits you will find no cleaner pickup racing on the planet.


What was your iRAcing name? Please tell us so we can check out your stats at the iRacing site.
thanks!

 

[fatkrakr]

Well i made class d in about 2 weeks. I think i was d class about 2.67 I think. My name is D Barker. Every race I was in like I said was booted right off the track. Was a very frustrating experience.

 

[Jav]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

iRacing hands down! GT5 doesn't even come close.

 

[Patrocles]

Well i made class d in about 2 weeks. I think i was d class about 2.67 I think. My name is D Barker. Every race I was in like I said was booted right off the track. Was a very frustrating experience.

It looks like you have a decent amount of starts in the game. Your lap times seem to be very good.

The SOF in your races is low and that puts you in the lower subdivisions containing other pilots with low Safety Ratings.

I am not an iRacing expert, but I would suggest doing more TTs if the incidents in your races were track runoffs. This will raise your SR and put you into higher subdivisions with pilots that are more likely safety conscious.

If you were hitting/being hit by other pilots in the races then you should work on your racecraft in practice sessions where your SR will take less of a hit (no pun intended) for runoffs and collisions. You can also review your races and see what you could have done different to avoid a collision.

Did you save replays of your races? If so, I would be glad to take a look at them and offer some advice.

As others have mentioned this game is much more demanding and realistic than GT5, but the reward is much greater imho,ymmv

 

[Blaze_409]

Yeah game is very rewarding! and yeah iRacing hands down.

 

[Eric.]

It looks like you have a decent amount of starts in the game. Your lap times seem to be very good.

The SOF in your races is low and that puts you in the lower subdivisions containing other pilots with low Safety Ratings.

I am not an iRacing expert, but I would suggest doing more TTs if the incidents in your races were track runoffs. This will raise your SR and put you into higher subdivisions with pilots that are more likely safety conscious.

If you were hitting/being hit by other pilots in the races then you should work on your racecraft in practice sessions where your SR will take less of a hit (no pun intended) for runoffs and collisions. You can also review your races and see what you could have done different to avoid a collision.

Did you save replays of your races? If so, I would be glad to take a look at them and offer some advice.

As others have mentioned this game is much more demanding and realistic than GT5, but the reward is much greater imho,ymmv

SR has nothing to do with your splits. He needs to raise his iRating. iRating determines splitting.

 

[plate88]

What if you could choose only one. What would it be, GT5 or Iracing?

Gotta be iRacing.👍 Haven't played GT5 in a long time. Not that I don't want to, but iRacing takes up all my game time anymore.