Evo versus STi--on and off road

[Parnelli Bone]

Well I raced the Impreza c-spec Against the Evo 8? Or what ever is the newest one
So I went to the high speed ring and I did many laps for both (All stock) and I really liked the interesting handling of the evo but i like the Impreza engine more and the Impreza had a 1 second faster time(will have to do the same thing but on the RING)

Which Evo VIII did you use, tho? The GSR? RS? or the MR? The lightest one should be a truer comparison, although the C-spec still might kill it.

 

[Metar]

The MR is usually faster than the lighter RS, though.

 

[evul9]

MR it seemed the fastest

 

[I-ROC]

Hm, a Evo VIII test to see whats the best would be a great test!

 

[evul9]

Hm, a Evo VIII test to see whats the best would be a great test!

Yes I know I am doing two things on gt4. Trying to do laps on the RING for the Post your ring times in all stock so I guess I am bound to come to the Impreza and the EVO.

Oh and about the MR and stuff the evo has 1 more hp but in weight to power the Impreza is slightingly better.
But my guess is that if it would be on a real tight corner course the Evo should be faster because of the technology.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yes I know I am doing two things on gt4. Trying to do laps on the RING for the Post your ring times in all stock so I guess I am bound to come to the Impreza and the EVO.

Oh and about the MR and stuff the evo has 1 more hp but in weight to power the Impreza is slightingly better.
But my guess is that if it would be on a real tight corner course the Evo should be faster because of the technology.

Cool. Well i'm looking forward to your results.

 

[PARAGON GT]

On the street:
I’ll take a Lancer. An EVO VII to be specific. In the past I had run a ‘00 Imprezza WXR STI –vs- ’01 Lancer Evolution VII GSR at Infineon, both stock, and found the Evo to be easier to control. Through most of the corners I felt that I was fighting the under steer of the Subaru, while the Mitsubishi seemed willing to tuck in as directed which I felt allowed the Lancer to be thrown around with considerably less effort.

As far as times, I don’t recall the specifics at the moment, but I do recall that I had posted a better time with the Evo by a second over the STI. I wouldn’t mind taking them to Nurburgring to see how they compare on a larger, longer track to see what would happen. Maybe at some point I’ll be able to compare each model (excluding special release models i.e. 22B, Spec C, MR, T.M.E.) to see how they stack up.

Off road:
Can’t say at the moment. I haven’t had a chance to run either of them against each other. I might take them to Tahiti tonight to run them.

 

[evul9]

Ahh I haven't touched my ps2 and steering wheel in 3 days!(test coming up)

 

[Parnelli Bone]

On the street:
I’ll take a Lancer. An EVO VII to be specific. In the past I had run a ‘00 Imprezza WXR STI –vs- ’01 Lancer Evolution VII GSR at Infineon, both stock, and found the Evo to be easier to control. Through most of the corners I felt that I was fighting the under steer of the Subaru, while the Mitsubishi seemed willing to tuck in as directed which I felt allowed the Lancer to be thrown around with considerably less effort.

Yup. I've noticed later Evos are much more easy-going on-road. Now that i've read about them, i think i know why: it's because they've got a center viscous differential and a mechanical rear diff (while stock), but later Evos also have Mitsu's famous Yaw system, which helps them steer in (Mitsubishi says yaw aids the "turning moment").

Matter of fact, Yaw first appeared during the Evo IV generation as an option on the GSR:

Mitsubishi's new Active Yaw Control appeared as a factory option on the GSR model, which used steering, throttle input sensors and g sensors to computer-hydraulically controlled torque split individually to the rear wheels and as a result the 10,000 Evolution IVs produced all sold quickly.

, but i read at Supercars.net that after the Evo VI generation, AYC was included as standard on GSRs, but it doesn't say whether the RS models have AYC or not.

I'm guessing that even tho it was an option during the Evo IV generation, PD went ahead and modeled a softly-calculated version of the yaw system, even before we install the AYC kit. This goes for any differentials (limited-slip or not) that appear in later Evos, as well. They seem set incredibly strong in the Evo I & II, but after this they seem softer.

It also says Mitsubishi "rotated the transaxle 180 degrees in an effort to better balance weight and eliminate torque steer" during the Evo IV generation which makes alot of sense because i've noticed Evo IVs don't understeer as much as earlier ones.

 

[I-ROC]

I tested Both for time.

I tested on Seattle and Trail mountain.

Trail Moutain
1.Evo RS 1'45.06
2.Impreza 1'45.089
3.Impreza Spec C 1'45.197
4.Evo MR 1'45.730

Seattle
1.Impreza Spec C 1'51.212
2.Evo MR 1'54.066
3.Evo RS 1'55.570
4.Impreza 1'55.614

All were driven around the course twice.

 

[Metar]

In which case I shall have to cast some doubt over the times. Twice around the course with each car means remarkable differences in track familiarity, and also a driving-error, or simply not using a car at it's best, will cause massive differences in time. For example: The Spec C is faster than the regular versions - but your test on Trial Mountain is the only exception. Also, when driven in anger on nearly-perfect laps, the differences between the Spec C and Evo around Seattle were far less than your three seconds - but the differences between a nailed lap and a single botched turn can add up to a whole second.

 

[I-ROC]

Yeah, I should have done longer and more tracks, but it was just a quick test. Right now i am doing a more in-depth lap time test, around 5+ laps on each car on way more tracks and on some dirt and snow courses.

 

[Greycap]

I've once tested the entire Evo lineup from the IV onwards, driven on GVE, and the results were slightly surprising. The VIII GSR cleared the table, the VI TME GSR coming on the second place, then the VIII MR and then in roughly descending order. The VIII MR seemed to understeer distinctively more then the standard GSR and the VI TME handled better than any of the later ones.

The verdict? Give the VIII GSR a try.

 

[evul9]

OK got some time to get on gt4
I did an OK lap around the ring and I took the Mitsubishi VIII first

8'44.458 IT was an OK time not above-good
But i think the main thing is how it feels and by my driving it is very forgiving (if I do a big mistake it is easy to correct) and it has nice grip also.

NOTE: The lap was done on n2's and no modification done on the car.
Going to do the Impreza c-spec soon
OK i got it the time was 8'36.118 for the Impreza

I also went to autumn ring MINI
And surprisingly the subaru got a 0'46.461
But the evo got a 0'46.902

 

[PARAGON GT]

I was going to say I pulled a much better time @ The Ring until I saw you were running on N2's.

I pulled a 7:56.760 in a stock Evo VII. (Oil change and frame refreshed.)
Only dropped 2 tires in the weeds once when I cut a corner to hard and went over a rumble strip. Aside from that the run was pretty flawless.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I tested Both for time.

I tested on Seattle and Trail mountain.

Trail Moutain
1.Evo RS 1'45.06
2.Impreza 1'45.089
3.Impreza Spec C 1'45.197
4.Evo MR 1'45.730

Seattle
1.Impreza Spec C 1'51.212
2.Evo MR 1'54.066
3.Evo RS 1'55.570
4.Impreza 1'55.614

All were driven around the course twice.

Which "impreza" (other than the SpecC) did you use? Interesting results...

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Probably the normal STi available new.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I've once tested the entire Evo lineup from the IV onwards, driven on GVE, and the results were slightly surprising. The VIII GSR cleared the table, the VI TME GSR coming on the second place, then the VIII MR and then in roughly descending order. The VIII MR seemed to understeer distinctively more then the standard GSR and the VI TME handled better than any of the later ones.

The verdict? Give the VIII GSR a try.

Hmmmm. That makes me wonder, because i've read on several websites (wikipedia, supercars.net, and a couple others i'm forgetting) that the GSR, even tho it's heavier and not as "race-ready", has a yaw system installed as an option (in real life) or as standard. We just can't adjust it till we buy the AYC device. Yaw certainly helps these normally understeery cars to turn in better.

I couldn't find any info that says the RS and MR have a yaw while stock or not, so it makes me think perhaps they don't? ...not sure.

 

[Jonn 79]

Yaw control/AYC are not available on the U.S models maybe they modeled the car after the U.S spec?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Yaw control/AYC are not available on the U.S models maybe they modeled the car after the U.S spec?

Ya, i know. Sucks for us, but it's DOT's fault (Department of Tranportation), not anything to with with Evo purchasers in AMerica not wanting yaw as an option.

Funny thing is, we just had an Evo (woulda been gen VIII) in our shop a couple weeks ago for a Maryland State inspection. Soon as we got it up on the lift, all activity stops, as every mechanic is now drooling over those gigantic brakes...oversized exhaust..all stock and legal. I think the driver put one mod on the car (an exhaust tip) that failed, which means he had to remove it so he could pass inspection.

 

[PARAGON GT]

For what it’s worth, I’m half way through a 2 part run working with the two cars in question.

This thread really made me think after my initial response. In the past I have flip flopped back and forth between the two trying to figure out which version of their cars would I prefer, and why? So a couple nights ago I started into my own personal quest into the STI / EVO realm to see what car works best for me.

All cars were from the used lots, no special models (ie, rs, tme, 22B), received an oil change and chasse refresh, aids were turned off.

1st track run was Nurburghring. I figured it had several variations of track conditions and scenarios to make it an interesting test. All times were taken from a single clean lap. Two tire clipping was allowed depending on what happened (overshooting a rumble strip slightly). Anything more the lap was ended and restarted.

Here were the results of the first run.

14 – EVO – 1 – 8.37.823
13 – EVO – 2 – 8.22.375
12 – EVO – 4 – 8.19.493
11 – EVO – 3 – 8.19.107
10 – STI – 1 – 8.18.768
09 – STI – 2 – 8.13.830
08 – STI – 3 – 8.11.081
07 – STI – 4 – 8.06.842
06 – STI – 5 – 8.05.997
05 – EVO – 5 – 8.04.951
04 – STI – 6 – 8.02.146
03 – EVO – 6 – 8.01.977
02 – STI - ? – 8.01.496
01 – EVO – 7 – 7.56.760

AS you can see the early Evo’s didn’t fend well against the STI’s.
But the later models stepped it up a notch and placed quite well.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

^^ wow..nice work +Rep.

 

[evul9]

for what it’s worth, i’m half way through a 2 part run working with the two cars in question.

This thread really made me think after my initial response. In the past i have flip flopped back and forth between the two trying to figure out which version of their cars would i prefer, and why? So a couple nights ago i started into my own personal quest into the sti / evo realm to see what car works best for me.

All cars were from the used lots, no special models (ie, rs, tme, 22b), received an oil change and chasse refresh, aids were turned off.

1st track run was nurburghring. I figured it had several variations of track conditions and scenarios to make it an interesting test. All times were taken from a single clean lap. Two tire clipping was allowed depending on what happened (overshooting a rumble strip slightly). Anything more the lap was ended and restarted.

Here were the results of the first run.

14 – evo – 1 – 8.37.823
13 – evo – 2 – 8.22.375
12 – evo – 4 – 8.19.493
11 – evo – 3 – 8.19.107
10 – sti – 1 – 8.18.768
09 – sti – 2 – 8.13.830
08 – sti – 3 – 8.11.081
07 – sti – 4 – 8.06.842
06 – sti – 5 – 8.05.997
05 – evo – 5 – 8.04.951
04 – sti – 6 – 8.02.146
03 – evo – 6 – 8.01.977
02 – sti - ? – 8.01.496
01 – evo – 7 – 7.56.760

as you can see the early evo’s didn’t fend well against the sti’s.
But the later models stepped it up a notch and placed quite well.

nice!!

 

[PARAGON GT]

nice!!

^^ wow..nice work +Rep.

Thank you guys. Obviously lap times will vary depending on who is driving, how dependent you are on driving aids, etc. So some positions may flip flop. I figured it would be a good starting point for comparison.

2nd run will be at Tahiti Maze.

Maybe later on I will run the special release cars.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Thank you guys. Obviously lap times will vary depending on who is driving, how dependent you are on driving aids, etc. So some positions may flip flop. I figured it would be a good starting point for comparison.

That's okay. If there's a man here for the job, it would be you. I trust your consistency, etc...

2nd run will be at Tahiti Maze.

Maybe later on I will run the special release cars.

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