Exiting turns?

[PureHeavyMetal]

Hello drift forum, I've recently joined GTplanet and wanted to see if anyone could provide some tips for me. So, I took up drifting about a month ago and I've been getting fairly good at it. However, when I am coming out of the long turn at Tsukuba (the one before the start finish line) I have trouble ending the drift. I always end up going off course. I've been wondering if there is any certain way to straighten back up after a drift or if it depends on the car.

As a side note I'd also like to ask if toe angle makes a difference in control. I've noticed camber does but didn't know if toe did.

I use a DualShock3 controller and am using a 2007 Mazda RX-8 with comfort soft tires.

 

[Bluntified]

Ease off the throttle a bit (feather it less) when you feel you're about to go off course. What I do on that corner is, full throttle going into the drift, feather a bit to keep angle, when I hit the apex of the corner (you'll notice this corner isn't a perfect smooth bend, it has a peak) I let off the throttle for a second the back on it full, then feather. Sounds a little confusing in words, but read this then try it, you'll get it. Just remember not to be too fast coming out of the drift (or going in).

Toe and camber settings don't do much when you're using a controller. They're mainly cosmetic. All my cars have stock toe and camber settings when using a controller.

 

[PureHeavyMetal]

Ease off the throttle a bit (feather it less) when you feel you're about to go off course. What I do on that corner is, full throttle going into the drift, feather a bit to keep angle, when I hit the apex of the corner (you'll notice this corner isn't a perfect smooth bend, it has a peak) I let off the throttle for a second the back on it full, then feather. Sounds a little confusing in words, but read this then try it, you'll get it. Just remember not to be too fast coming out of the drift (or going in).

Toe and camber settings don't do much when you're using a controller. They're mainly cosmetic. All my cars have stock toe and camber settings when using a controller.

Thanks for the tips, dude. I'll definitely try that.

And I think you're right about the toe and camber, I only noticed a small difference in being able to control the drift when I changed my camber.

 

[Stavingo]

For that corner on Tsukuba, if I'm exiting on the inside line, I accelerate more and countersteer to get me on the outside line. But if I take a wide line, just feather the throttle and countersteer the car to the inside of the track.

 

[K1ngKlicK]

Toe and camber settings don't do much when you're using a controller. They're mainly cosmetic. All my cars have stock toe and camber settings when using a controller.

Very wrong. Negative rear toe (which I really don't suggest) will pull you into the slide much quicker than positive, and will also make your car more prone to spinning out.

Higher rear toe (+0.30 and higher for example) will cause the car to be more smooth on turn-in, you will have less chance of spinning out, and your car will be slightly more understeer biased, making it easier for you to drift faster with less angle. (Good for chasing in tandems, but also good for keeping a stable car while practising)

I suggest something like F -0.50 R +1.00, even though it may seem quite extreme, it's a very nice feeling. It's smooth, stable, fast, and you can still get great angle.

Also, if you're having trouble gaining traction after a corner, just let off the gas! (Your car will gain grip again, almost straight away) - Although, you really should be practising to keep the drift going for that home straight so you can slide into the first corner with a long handbrake entry, it doesn't look good when people "stop" drifting when they could connect the corners without gaining traction. Keep that smoke goin'!

As for camber, it may not seem like it makes much difference, but it's apparent. Never have more than 1.0-1.5 camber on the rear, it will only hurt your acceleration and drift speed. (0.7 apparently gives the most rear grip for fast drifting). On the front, 2.5-3.0 is more than enough, it won't be as snappy as 0.0, and will help you maintain the drift.

Finally, try get onto using Comfort Hards! (It's what the majority of experienced drifters in GT5 use, and those on GTP swear by CH!)

 

[PureHeavyMetal]

Very wrong. Negative rear toe (which I really don't suggest) will pull you into the slide much quicker than positive, and will also make your car more prone to spinning out.

Higher rear toe (+0.30 and higher for example) will cause the car to be more smooth on turn-in, you will have less chance of spinning out, and your car will be slightly more understeer biased, making it easier for you to drift faster with less angle. (Good for chasing in tandems, but also good for keeping a stable car while practising)

I suggest something like F -0.50 R +1.00, even though it may seem quite extreme, it's a very nice feeling. It's smooth, stable, fast, and you can still get great angle.

Also, if you're having trouble gaining traction after a corner, just let off the gas! (Your car will gain grip again, almost straight away) - Although, you really should be practising to keep the drift going for that home straight so you can slide into the first corner with a long handbrake entry, it doesn't look good when people "stop" drifting when they could connect the corners without gaining traction. Keep that smoke goin'!

As for camber, it may not seem like it makes much difference, but it's apparent. Never have more than 1.0-1.5 camber on the rear, it will only hurt your acceleration and drift speed. (0.7 apparently gives the most rear grip for fast drifting). On the front, 2.5-3.0 is more than enough, it won't be as snappy as 0.0, and will help you maintain the drift.

Finally, try get onto using Comfort Hards! (It's what the majority of experienced drifters in GT5 use, and those on GTP swear by CH!)

I'll definitely throw on some Comfort hard tires today, see how that feels 👍

As for camber I have it 2.0 front and 0.5 rear. I noticed that having that camber as opposed to having neutral camber helped me control it more (because the front tires have more contact patch? I don't know).

 

[K1ngKlicK]

I'll definitely throw on some Comfort hard tires today, see how that feels 👍

As for camber I have it 2.0 front and 0.5 rear. I noticed that having that camber as opposed to having neutral camber helped me control it more (because the front tires have more contact patch? I don't know).

👍 Keep practising, I heard it makes perfect!

Also, an LSD is an important part of a drift car. You've got 3 settings, IT-Accel-Decel.

IT: Higher setting means that the car will be much tighter, and you will turn in to the drift slower, which will also slow down transitions (changing directions in your drift to link 2 corners together). For any car over 1200kg, I would go with 5, anything under 1200kg you might want to make it a little higher (10-20).

Accel: A lower setting allows your car to drift faster, although this sacrifices angle (and makes it harder to reach full-lock).

Decel: If you find your car is sliding to the outside of the corner too easily when you give it gas, lower this setting. If you feel your car slows down too much when you lift off the gas, make this setting higher.

A good setting for you to start on may be 10 60 60. This is called a 2-way diff, when both A/D are on 60. A "welded" diff that people use for practice IRL is 60 60 60, but I wouldn't advise that for GT5 drifting, it makes the car feel too tight and rigid in my opinion.

Based on what I said above, just tweak those settings until it feels perfect for YOU. It's all about making your car feel good for you, you can't expect to get a tune off somebody else and have it feel just as good for you as it does them.

 

[eddyac]

Countersteering that's all you need.

 

[twitcher]

Heed the words of the King...the man knows his stuff.

Like he said, positive toe in the rear helps stabilize the car mid drift. Negative toe in the front can make the front end a little more responsive...too much and it becomes twitchy.

If you are spinning out at corner exit, try backing off the throttle slightly. This will cause the rear to gain grip, and prevent the back end from going out too far.

Also, since you are talking about the last turn of tsukuba specifically, you should have a look in the drift video section, and try to find vids of people drifting that corner. This will help you learn the proper line, and as someone already mentioned, will show you how to link that last corner to the first corner.

 

[PureHeavyMetal]

Thanks for all the tips guys

With a set of comfort hards on the car and a bit more rear toe-in, I was able to sustain a drift for longer and chain drifts together. My first run of the day at Tsukuba got me 9,899 points in full lap drift mode, a new high score 👍

 

[PureHeavyMetal]

Heed the words of the King...the man knows his stuff.

Like he said, positive toe in the rear helps stabilize the car mid drift. Negative toe in the front can make the front end a little more responsive...too much and it becomes twitchy.

If you are spinning out at corner exit, try backing off the throttle slightly. This will cause the rear to gain grip, and prevent the back end from going out too far.

Also, since you are talking about the last turn of tsukuba specifically, you should have a look in the drift video section, and try to find vids of people drifting that corner. This will help you learn the proper line, and as someone already mentioned, will show you how to link that last corner to the first corner.

I also have a Nissan 370Z which I couldn't drift for toffee until you told me about increasing rear toe in. Increased it from 0.20 to 0.30 and now it drifts great!

 

[Diogo]

That's bad , I done that challenge to yself (btw , same car track and DS3) and I always have to pull e-brake because It still has too much grip .

My advice , start to train in CH

 

[SPANK]

I also have a Nissan 370Z which I couldn't drift for toffee until you told me about increasing rear toe in. Increased it from 0.20 to 0.30 and now it drifts great!

My 370 is -.30 in front .05 in the back. But I'm on a g27.

 

[MetalJet]

Hey PureHeavyMetal, I'm also fairly new to the drift world. I started in January. I've tried countless numbers of drift setups and every time, I've had to tweek them to get comfortable. I like my cars to be a little hard to get started in the drift, because I have an easier time holding the drift with that setup. Too loose and I'm a spinning maniac! LOL

I used to think I loved the TVR Speed 12, but my new favorite drifter is the SL600. I got 22,7xx on Tsukuba full lap drift and 23,6xx on Spa Sector drift. I'm still new at this and most drifters would laugh at my setup, but it works for me and I'm comfortable with it... for the most part. I have printed out the great suggestions on here and will use the advice to fix some issues I have with slowing on some turns and backing off the line on others. I'm starting to get it and with great advice from good drifters, I can only get better.

 

[sidewaysfordays]

Don't end the drift! Link another one and drift across by the pit wall, then slide into turn 1.
But for me anyway I'm usually full countersteer and full throttle at that point so I just hold the drift until it feels like it wants to straighten out, and then just ease off the throttle. If you're going off the track then just hug inside longer then you do and wait to drift outside when you see the exit kerbstones.

Also it's already been mentioned but try Comfort Hard tires.

 

[fbccars924]

I personally use this rule of thumb Comfort for cars<350hp sports<500hp race for >500+hp. When exiting i let off just enough to regain traction and let the car straighten out and let her get down to business til the next turn. I also use power over and handbrake techniques.

 

[Serjury]

I personally use this rule of thumb Comfort for cars<350hp sports<500hp race for >500+hp. When exiting i let off just enough to regain traction and let the car straighten out and let her get down to business til the next turn. I also use power over and handbrake techniques.

For real? Race tyres for drifting?

 

[fbccars924]

with 600+hp theyre easy

 

[sidewaysfordays]

Do people like to tandem with you and your race tires?

 

[fbccars924]

actually yes. They had a hard time keeping up. I was actually getting further sideways too. Just like in real life I match my tires to my needs. I wouldnt dream of even trying to drift my 1000hp viper with anything less than RH tires. My 200sx actually has sports hards with around 300hp and handles fine. look for big_noobowski924 and keep an eye out on what im in.

 

[K1ngKlicK]

Do people like to tandem with you and your race tires?

I doubt he knows what the word means.

He's either ignorant, or just a huge troll (or both!)

 

[fbccars924]

Hey just so all you D1 freaks know the tires that they use in the D1GP are equivalent to the SPORTS hard tires in GT5. Besides What do tires have to do with whether or not your drifting or how good or bad you are. The whole Comfort thing is just a "its popular so I'll do it" crock of sh**. Like Tanner Faust proved in Top Gear USA, With a little skill and determination you can drift anything. Besides, If it works for me what the problem. Its sorta like someone using an AWD car.

edit: Merry Xmas Comfort tires are not mandatory or needed

 

[K1ngKlicK]

Hey just so all you D1 freaks know the tires that they use in the D1GP are equivalent to the SPORTS hard tires in GT5. Besides What do tires have to do with whether or not your drifting or how good or bad you are. The whole Comfort thing is just a "its popular so I'll do it" crock of sh**. Like Tanner Faust proved in Top Gear USA, With a little skill and determination you can drift anything. Besides, If it works for me what the problem. Its sorta like someone using an AWD car.

 

[sidewaysfordays]

@fbccars924

I'm a firm believer that when everyone has the same tires, it levels the playing field and makes tandeming a whole lot easier. Granted, some cars are a little faster than others. So strap on some Comfort Mediums (if the room allows it)! And if you think it's a horsepower thing, let me tell you, your 1000hp Viper and my 550hp M5 will tandem just fine if we're both on CH.

 

[Stavingo]

Hey just so all you D1 freaks know the tires that they use in the D1GP are equivalent to the SPORTS hard tires in GT5.

Evidence please, I'm genuinely interested in how you got that comparison. I know for the SLS AMG challenge the competitors used comfort softs to drive around the top gear track.

Besides What do tires have to do with whether or not your drifting or how good or bad you are. The whole Comfort thing is just a "its popular so I'll do it" crock of sh**.

Tires only play a small factor, and that's only within speed and angle, plus I think using lower grip tires allow you to learn more techniques.

Like Tanner Faust proved in Top Gear USA, With a little skill and determination you can drift anything.

We never denied that you can't drift any drivetrain.

Besides, If it works for me what the problem. Its sorta like someone using an AWD car.

It's not that I don't hate AWD drifters (maybe some GTP drifters do) but it's the attitude that they come with thinking that AWD is superior to RWD drifting .

edit: Merry Xmas Comfort tires are not mandatory or needed

Congratulations, you linked an old thread about people arguing comfort tires, medal clap or trophy?

 

[K1ngKlicK]

He's not worth the time o' day stavingo, don't bother

 

[monsterGAUZ]

Troll is trolling trolly troll stuff again

 

[fbccars924]

@Stavingo- I did get mislead on d1gp tire usage but noone say "I told you so" because in D1 (US and Japan) they do exactly what I do and matche the tires to their needs and tastes. Everyone is different and thus no two cars, even if theyre the same model, will have the same tuning. I use sports tires on my two drifters, a Fairlady 240ZG and a 200sx, but, i also compete in grip competitions with them with literally no adjustments(partially due to the minimalness of the applied upgrades). I tried the whole comfort thing and it didnt work for me. I do have and S13 premium that was started as a drift build but ended up as just another maxed out overpowered pile. Truthfully, If you want to learn better technique take off everything but what you know you can install with basic hand tools and a floor jack because thats where 90% of pros started IRL.

 

[K1ngKlicK]

 

[pergatory]

Tires only play a small factor, and that's only within speed and angle, plus I think using lower grip tires allow you to learn more techniques.

This is actually backwards, it's higher traction scenarios that teach you more advanced techniques. With comfort hards all you need to know is power-slide, it works in any situation. With stickier tires problems like snap understeer are much more prevalent, which forces you to use every trick in the book to maintain a drift.

I'm not going to get into this debate again though, so I'll just keep it short & sweet this time: Anyone who thinks comfort hards are the only tire you should be drifting on is ignorant and has no place in drifting.