F.I.T.T WSR/Senna F3 Challenge

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MrGrado
Suspension (F/R)
Ride height 40mm/40mm
Spring rate 13.91/19.10
Dampers (comp) 5/8
Dampers (ext) 4/5
Anti roll bars 4/4
Camber 1.4/1.9
Toe -0.58/0.43
Brake bias 5/5
Transmission
1st 2.820
2nd 1.891
3rd 1.370
4th 1.053
5th 0.900
final 3.560
Diff settings
Initial 5
Accel 45
Decel 18
Aero (F/R) 800/938
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@MrGrado
Can you please tell us how to arrive at your transmission settings.
From the default settings, what do we set the final drive to & what max speed do we start from?
 
Pete05
@MrGrado
Can you please tell us how to arrive at your transmission settings.
From the default settings, what do we set the final drive to & what max speed do we start from?
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@MrGrado never (at least that I can recall) changes the final from default value when setting up a transmission. So directions would be reset default set top speed then gears than final.
 
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Car; West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna

PP: 559
HP: 172 HP
TORQUE: 167
WEIGHT:455 kg
WEIGHT DIST: 46:54
TIRE(S): Racing Hard Tires

GT Auto:
Oil Change - yes

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes:
RIDE HEIGHT - 40/40
SPRINGS - 16.50/21.00
COMP - 3/4
EXT - 8/5
ARB - 4/4
CAMBER - 0.0/0.4
TOE - +0.12/+0.06
BRAKES - 5/6

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO - 2500
TOP SPEED TO - 124
1ST - 4.565
2ND - 3.085
3RD - 2.305
4TH - 1.835
5TH - 1.550
FINAL - 2.050

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 10
ACCEL - 9
DECEL - 15

CLUTCH TYPE: standard
CARBON SHAFT: standard

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - standard
COMPUTER - standard
EXHAUST - Racing Exhaust
MANIFOLD - standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - standard
INTAKE TUNING - standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO - na
POWER LIMITER - 100

WEIGHT REDUCTION - standard
CARBON HOOD - standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - standard

BALLAST - 0/0
DOWNFORCE -
Front 800
Rear 950

DRIVER NOTES:
Have some balls and pick up the throttle well before clipping the apex!
 
FITT WSR '83 Ayrton Senna


Paint: Stock
Rims: Stock

PP: 559
HP: 172
WEIGHT: 455kg
WEIGHT DIST: 46:54
TIRE(S): RH

GT Auto:
Oil Change - Yes
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - Stock
Wing - Stock


Flat Floor -
Other -

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - Not Adjustable
SPRINGS - 18.95/24.15
COMP - 5/4
EXT - 5/5
ARB - 3/3
CAMBER - 3.5/3.5
TOE - -0.02/0.00
BRAKES - 5/6

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO - 3.560
TOP SPEED TO - 162mph
1ST - 2.318
2ND - 1.575
3RD - 1.237
4TH - 1.000
5TH - 0.851
6TH -
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.600
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 7
ACCEL - 10
DECEL - 10

CLUTCH TYPE: Standard
CARBON SHAFT: Standard
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: n/a

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Standard
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Standard
MANIFOLD - Standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Standard
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO -
POWER LIMITER - 100%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Standard
CARBON HOOD - Standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - Standard

BALLAST - 0
DOWNFORCE - 800/1000

NOTE:
 
MrGrado
I think you can simply set the gears straight from the default.
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Oh ok then. I'll see how that goes when I start the testing process & let you know if I have any problems.
Motor City Hami
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Car; West Surrey Racing, 1983 Ayrton Senna

PP: 559
HP: 172 HP
TORQUE: 167
WEIGHT:455 kg
WEIGHT DIST: 46:54
TIRE(S): Racing Hard Tires

GT Auto:
Oil Change - yes

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes:
RIDE HEIGHT - 40/40
SPRINGS - 16.50/21.00
COMP - 3/4
EXT - 8/5
ARB - 4/4
CAMBER - 0.0/0.4
TOE - +0.12/+0.06
BRAKES - 5/6

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO - 2500
TOP SPEED TO - 124
1ST - 4.565
2ND - 3.085
3RD - 2.305
4TH - 1.835
5TH - 1.550
FINAL - 2.050

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 10
ACCEL - 9
DECEL - 15

CLUTCH TYPE: standard
CARBON SHAFT: standard

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - standard
COMPUTER - standard
EXHAUST - Racing Exhaust
MANIFOLD - standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - standard
INTAKE TUNING - standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO - na
POWER LIMITER - 100

WEIGHT REDUCTION - standard
CARBON HOOD - standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - standard

BALLAST - 0/0
DOWNFORCE -
Front 800
Rear 950

DRIVER NOTES:
Have some balls and pick up the throttle well before clipping the apex!
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If your track record in these FITT comps is anything to go by, I expect this one to be up the sharp end of the field.
 
fordracer
FITT WSR '83 Ayrton Senna


Paint: Stock
Rims: Stock

PP: 559
HP: 172
WEIGHT: 455kg
WEIGHT DIST: 46:54
TIRE(S): RH

GT Auto:
Oil Change - Yes
Rigidity Improvement - No
Front Aero - Stock
Wing - Stock


Flat Floor -
Other -

SUSPENSION: Full Custom // Brakes: Racing
RIDE HEIGHT - Not Adjustable
SPRINGS - 18.95/24.15
COMP - 5/4
EXT - 5/5
ARB - 3/3
CAMBER - 3.5/3.5
TOE - -0.02/0.00
BRAKES - 5/6

TRANS: Full Custom (install all power upgrades first!)
FINAL TO - 3.560
TOP SPEED TO - 162mph
1ST - 2.318
2ND - 1.575
3RD - 1.237
4TH - 1.000
5TH - 0.851
6TH -
7TH - n/a
FINAL - 3.600
(^^^Adjust for top speed here)

LSD: Full Custom
INITIAL - 7
ACCEL - 10
DECEL - 10

CLUTCH TYPE: Standard
CARBON SHAFT: Standard
TORQUE CENTERING DIFF: n/a

POWER PARTS:
ENGINE TUNING - Standard
COMPUTER - Standard
EXHAUST - Standard
MANIFOLD - Standard
CATALYTIC CONVERTER - Standard
INTAKE TUNING - Standard
SUPERCHARGER/TURBO -
POWER LIMITER - 100%

WEIGHT REDUCTION - Standard
CARBON HOOD - Standard
WINDOW WEIGHT - Standard

BALLAST - 0
DOWNFORCE - 800/1000

NOTE:
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Thanks for posting this. I was just about to include you in the following message.
@Otaliema
@shaunm80
@sinof1337
Tick tock gentlemen. 3hours, 20 minutes left to post your tunes.
If either of you is having serious concerns about meeting the deadline, please let us know.
 
Pete05
1000 apologies Shaun :scared: I've just found the tune post. I think I missed it because we were posting at the same time. I blame it on having to use a phone to do all my GT Planet communication :indiff:
Anyway, on with the show :D
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It's alright. No need to apologise, these things happen. Hope you enjoy testing all these tunes. :)
 
shaunm80
It's alright. No need to apologise, these things happen. Hope you enjoy testing all these tunes. :)
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I'm looking forward to testing more than I can put into words. I just have to decide a methodical approach to this. I've been thinking of going from lowest downforce to highest and then back again just to make it as fair as possible.
My thumbs are going to hate me but no pain, no gain :) 👍👍
 
My advice, test your tune last as you will have a lot of information to compare your own work to then. To be honest, there is no perfect way to test any batch of cars, I will test the tunes in the order they were submitted probably. :)
 
shaunm80
My advice, test your tune last as you will have a lot of information to compare your own work to then. To be honest, there is no perfect way to test any batch of cars, I will test the tunes in the order they were submitted probably. :)
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Fair advice about my own tune. I just had a quick look at all the tunes posted so far & all except for 2 are towards the high end of downforce. I just don't want to go from one at maximum downforce to one with a lot less & somehow end up with polluted thinking. If I go from low to high & back again I can compare how I started to how I finished, looking out for any discrepancies and punish myself accordingly :mischievous: :lol:
 
As you will all be aware, the deadline for submitting a tune has passed & we still have tunes outstanding from @Otaliema & @sinof1337.
You will also be aware that things involving life don't always go to plan either. It is for this reason I propose an extension of the deadline by 24 hours so as to give those above, some time to tie up those loose ends all of us have to tackle on occasions.
If anyone strongly objects to this, can they please speak up or forever hold your peace.
Cheers :cheers:
 
Weider
Has anyone tried this tune; and if so where does it stack up?

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/rtracing-west-surrey-racing-wsr-1983-f3-ayrton-senna.849/

Aero 700 770

Brakes 3 4

Drivetrain 5 5 5

Also come race if you love the car https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...d-4-september-8th.332653/page-5#post-10962924
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I just had a quick look at the review notes of the tune & it seems to be liked by most :) 👍
Why didn't you submit a tune for this competition? :indiff: It would've been good to have you join in the fun we're all having with such a great & iconic little car.
 
Testers in post number 3 You will find a review template you can use if you wish. It will tag all tuners and provide a conforming lay out for all reviews for easy reading 👍 (it's hiding in the spoiler button so not to drag out a huge post that everyone has to scroll through)
 
I am assuming that all the tunes are now in. I have finished my reviews and will post them shortly. I am not sure if we are testing @Weider WSR tune but if we are, I will test that too and add it to my results.

I would like to say that I thoroughly enjoyed testing these cars and it didn't take up too much time if I am being honest. I would encourage anyone who loves open wheeler racers who have 3 hours spare in the next two weeks to give an official test as they will not regret it :)
 
FITT WSR/Senna F3 Challenge Reviews

All reviews were conducted as per FITT regulations and with ABS 1 only. All tunes were given 10 laps each. The first few laps were “getting to know you laps” and then I gave it some hammer time to see what this car (with your setup) could really do.

Here are the reviews.

@Bowtie-muscle
Best Lap Time – 1.27.041
DC – 10.0

Impression of the tune; This is an amazing tune which I felt confident driving from lap 1 through to lap 10. It went where I pointed it, it felt fast and it produced a very good lap time. I really enjoyed driving this tune and was consistently setting low 1.27s from the very beginning. Great job, you should be proud of this one :).

@DolHaus
Best Lap Time – 1.27.029
DC – 9.5

Impression of the tune; A tune finely balanced between stable and unstable, when I was on it and in the groove this car drove like telepathy, however, go out of the groove and this car had a tendency to throw me in a spin and cost me a fast lap time. It is a great tune and if I had more than 10 laps with it, I know I could go faster and become a better driver from it. Great traction out of the corners but sometimes (for me), it was too much traction and it would catch me unaware if I wasn’t on the right line or hitting the apex of the corner correctly, the transmission was great as were the brakes. Great job with this. Well done :)

@fordracer
Lap time; 1.28.233
DC; 9.5
Impression of the tune; A very good tune, stable, precise and easy to drive. I would have liked a little more front rotation at times as I lost a lot of time in the corners with this tune but coming out on the straights, it was really easy to put the power down without the risk of spinning up the rear wheels. This was probably because of the transmission which was excellent but I could not extract much more speed than what I did with this test. A good tune and one that will be great if used in a endurance race. Would have got higher DC and Lap time if I had more speed through the corners though. Good job, Well done :)

@Motor City Hami
Lap time; 1.25.595
DC; 10.0
Impression of the tune; My second DC of 10.0 in this competition and with good reason. This tune was smooth, fast and easy to control. I had a few offs in the first few laps but once I found the rhythm in this tune, it was stupendously quick and amazing through the corners. Another fantastic tune which will definitely be finding a home in my garage for future use. One thing I would say is that the final gear could have been longer as I was bouncing off the rev limiter on the long straight but that doesn’t detract from the driving experience in the slightest. Cracking job, Well done :)

@MrGrado
Lap time; 1.26.526
DC; 8.9
Impression of the tune; A difficult tune to understand for me. On some laps, everything was perfect, turn in, grip, confidence. It had it all that in abundance, however, the next lap, it was like I crossed an invisible line and suddenly I was driving something that wanted to spin on me in a place where I had supreme grip the previous lap. I would have said it was my driving but it happened on a few occasions and I had no chance to save any spin. I can’t put my finger on why it was unpredictable for me but one constant throughout the test was the transmission. It needed to be longer as I was hitting the rev limiter far sooner than I would have liked. This is a quick tune but too unpredictable for me. I am sure that this will definitely achieve a faster time with another tester. A good tune but not suited to my driving style I am afraid.

@Otaliema
Lap time; 1.25.839
DC; 10.0
Impression of the tune; Stunning tune. Overall handling, turn in, corner exit, transmission and grip levels were impeccable. Yes, this car like some of the others can break lose but it takes a massive driver error for this to occur. At times, it felt like it was four wheel drive the way it glided round the corners. Not quite as quick at Hami’s in my hands but for anyone who knows me, it is all about the feel of the car rather than outright speed and this tune like Hami’s and Bowtie’s is definitely a 10/10 in my book. Awesome job. Once again, another FITT tune that you can be proud off. :)

@Pete05
Best Lap Time – 1.26.838
DC – 9.0
Impression of the tune; Very fast tune and fun to drive, however, I found this tune was prone to snap over steer and I lost a few laps as there wasn’t really a safety net to assist me in bringing the car back into line. I liked that it was quick and the transmission was really well made but I was never really had the confidence from lap to lap to know what how this tune was going to handle. This was a really good tune for outright speed but a tad too unstable for me personally. I can see this tune achieving great lap times in the right hands however.

@Ridox2JZGTE
Best Lap Time – 1.27.645
DC - 9.3

Impression of the tune; A very stable tune, great acceleration and really good traction out of the corners. I had a slight problem with kerbs and clipping the grass, where the car would become unstable quite quickly and sometimes I was unable to save the car from a spin. When I kept the car in the lines that it was quickest, it behaved really well and no major complaints from me about this tune. Great job. :)

@shaunm80
Best Lap Time – 1.27.143
DC – 9.8
Impression of the tune; As most tuners who test their own tunes find, they can drive their tune to the limits and know exactly what the car is going to do. My tune allows me to push this car to the tune limits and if I go to far, allows me to save it before it all goes wrong. After a few days away from driving this car, I really enjoyed driving it, and it still gives me the confidence I had when was happy with the tune and published it. A great car for me, hence the good lap time it achieved and DC it achieved. I look forward to seeing what other testers make of it when they get their hands on it.

@sinof1337
Lap time; 1.27.697
DC; 9.4
Impression of the tune; It took me a while to get in to the rhythm of this tune. At first, I found it was either do or die on a lap but when I settled it down and got on the power earlier, it came alive and started dropping lap times close to the other tunes. Turn in was great when stable, traction was really good but could spin if a wheel dropped on a kerb at an inappropriate time, but I must say that the transmission and handling of this tune were spot on when I was in the zone and driving this as it was designed. It wasn’t an easy tune to adapt to, and it certainly isn’t my usual driving style but it had characteristics of my preferences and once I found them, I was well away and up the road with this tune. Great tune and I know with more practice, this tune could be tamed to the point of consistency in each and every lap. Good job :)

@xande1959
Best Lap Time – 1.28.824
DC – 8.6
Impression of the tune;A solid tune but I felt a little constricted by it at times and I can’t really put my finger on why that is. The amount of grip this car had was great, but it felt too grippy in the rear at times causing me a few issues on turn in. The transmission felt a bit sluggish at time to costing me some lap time. This tune was great if you could get the right lines, However, this was hit and miss for me with finding the consistency for it. I am sure this tune will suit some of the other testers but I couldn’t extract all that this tune had to offer unfortunately. A great effort and a solid tune, just not quite my cup of tea.
 
shaunm80
Impression of the tune; Stunning tune. Overall handling, turn in, corner exit, transmission and grip levels were impeccable. Yes, this car like some of the others can break lose but it takes a massive driver error for this to occur. At times, it felt like it was four wheel drive the way it glided round the corners. Not quite as quick at Hami’s in my hands but for anyone who knows me, it is all about the feel of the car rather than outright speed and this tune like Hami’s and Bowtie’s is definitely a 10/10 in my book. Awesome job. Once again, another FITT tune that you can be proud off. :)
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Thank you sir. Very happy to hear to enjoyed the tube so much. A 10/10 is rare and you deemed three tunes worthy of this honor.
Fantastic time in the car.
 

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