Fanatec reliable???

[Coxis]

iam sure pedal csp wins.

So i think the best solution its ts500 with csp pedals.

total 750 dollars.

That's the route I'd take if I didn't already have a good set of pedals. 👍

I've been meaning to get a T500RS myself, but with the stock shortage it's gotten expensive, often above MSRP, so I'm patiently waiting for prices to go back down.

Once I get my T500RS I'll move my DFGT and the T500 pedals to a secondary rig for friends and use the T500 wheel and ECCI pedals on my main one.

 

[LeMansAid]

iam sure pedal csp wins.

So i think the best solution its ts500 with csp pedals.

total 750 dollars.

I doubt you will be disappointed.

The one final thing that could come in to play is based on a recollection I have of someone on here saying that due to paying via American Express they received a double warranty period (1st half Fanatec, 2nd half Amex I assume). May be worth a look.

Edit: Ah, here....https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=273148 post #16

 

[Mahnegold]

On a strictly performance basis.
T500 vs CSR-E/CSW : arguable

CSP vs t500 pedals: Fanatec wins no contest.

I just used the CSP (V1 with tuning kit) and was happy to switch back to my T500 pedals (basher mod installed). For me the T500 pedals win clearly. On top of that, my CSP have unreliable gas and clutch readouts.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I have a TurboS and a CSR Elite The TurboS has a bad bearing in the small fan when I got it and there was a wire rubbing the large fan. Fanatec sent me a new small fan which I installed and I moved the wire away from the fan Used the wheel for 2 years before I bought the CSR Elite and the TurboS still works just fine. No problems at all with the Elite and have had that for almost 2 years now.

The one thing I did have a major headache with was the standard pedals that I got with the TurboS. The brake would activate when not touching the pedal, sometimes the throttle would not go to 100% I opened them up and got them working twice but each time the problems returned and then they quit working completely. Fanatec offered to give me full credit toward a set of Club Sport pedals or send me a new set of standard pedals free of charge and they covered shipping as well so I have to say that even though the pedals were crap Fanatec did a good job of trying to keep me happy.

After I had problems with the second set of standard pedals I got the club sports and have had no issues with them, been using them for around 3 years now.

 

[Spagetti69]

After I had problems with the second set of standard pedals I got the club sports and have had no issues with them, been using them for around 3 years now.

I honestly don't think it's a problem with the pedals in these cases. I think it's the way the wheel reads the potentiometer type pedals.

I had the same issues as you plus my G27 pedals with adapter was spiking random inputs but worked fine with my G27.

Mr Basher sells a box that rectified my problem and my pedals now bond 100% of the time.
I'm sure others who have purchased this black magic box have had similar results also.

Not sure if Basher still posts around here ? Great guy.

 

[swiftwilly]

If you play iRacing like I did, just remember sometimes your Clubsport pedals stuff up mid race. I remember many many times when the throttle wouldn't get to 100% because the magnetic went lose or PCB issue. It is very annoying and can cost you sometimes the championship. If I could honestly turn back time I would get something like T500 or even just the G27. Would of saved me many points. Think F1 mechanical issues.
It is ok for single player games when you can pause/restart.
But for live championship point type games like iRacing - if you are like me and Senna and you always want to win races, go with something more reliable. Particularly if you think about how much Fanatec pedals cost, you honestly would expect 100% working rate. If Logitech can do it, Thrustmaster can do it, it is just my view that you are the premium supplier you should get work rates higher.I am also simply talking about the basic issues like having a working PCB.

 

[ibuycheap]

I just used the CSP (V1 with tuning kit) and was happy to switch back to my T500 pedals (basher mod installed). For me the T500 pedals win clearly. On top of that, my CSP have unreliable gas and clutch readouts.

On a performance level t500 pedals don't come close. This gets even worse when you consider how performance and reliability of the pedals will vary depending on what revision of the wheel you have. Newer revisions have torsion springs instead of compression springs. Reliability wise I have had no issues with my CSP over 3 years. On the other hand those torsion springs will fail. Thrustmaster will quickly send you more torsion springs though. Fanatec support will try to help you after sending a video and waiting a month.

I didn't even mention the lack of a load cell brake. Not many people will share your opinion on the t500 pedals.

 

[Coxis]

You can buy the John Bodin load cell for your T500 pedals though, plus an official load cell mod is coming from Thrustmaster as well.

 

[ibuycheap]

You can buy the John Bodin load cell for your T500 pedals though, plus an official load cell mod is coming from Thrustmaster as well.

I doubt the OP is interested in modding the pedals. Solely changing to a load cell will make a huge difference. However the load cell mod is very expensive ($149) so much so you might as well consider just buying clubsport pedals and get the other benefits associated with it.

The OP has the right plan already why make it more complicated.

 

[Zathra5_]

That's the route I'd take if I didn't already have a good set of pedals. 👍

I've been meaning to get a T500RS myself, but with the stock shortage it's gotten expensive, often above MSRP, so I'm patiently waiting for prices to go back down.

Once I get my T500RS I'll move my DFGT and the T500 pedals to a secondary rig for friends and use the T500 wheel and ECCI pedals on my main one.

That's why I'd like to here more information about the TM xbox one wheel. If the wheel itself is as good as the T500 and it is PC compatible, I can use it on my pc with my TH8 shifter and CSP V2 pedals. Of course if it really is only xbox one compatible that wont' work.

 

[ibuycheap]

That's why I'd like to here more information about the TM xbox one wheel. If the wheel itself is as good as the T500 and it is PC compatible, I can use it on my pc with my TH8 shifter and CSP V2 pedals. Of course if it really is only xbox one compatible that wont' work.

It looks to be the same base as the t500 yet costs less. On the other hand every Fanatec wheel with xbox support costs more than the counterpart without xbox support. We know there is one less pedal but that is all. Is it possible that Thrustmaster got a lower license fee from Microsoft by making it exclusively a xbox one wheel.

Seems unlikely but I can't explain how the price is lower when the only difference is pedals.

 

[Zathra5_]

It looks to be the same base as the t500 yet costs less. On the other hand every Fanatec wheel with xbox support costs more than the counterpart without xbox support. We know there is one less pedal but that is all. Is it possible that Thrustmaster got a lower license fee from Microsoft by making it exclusively a xbox one wheel.

Seems unlikely but I can't explain how the price is lower when the only difference is pedals.

Something doesn't quite add up there. I would think that the market for a $400 xbox one exclusive wheel would be exceedingly small. I can't see that making business sense for Thrustmaster unless Microsoft is throwing money at them.

I half wonder if Microsoft is trying to cut off GT. Be the first to market with a next gen racing game and make the new wheels exclusive to xbox one.

 

[Mahnegold]

If you play iRacing like I did, just remember sometimes your Clubsport pedals stuff up mid race. I remember many many times when the throttle wouldn't get to 100% because the magnetic went lose or PCB issue. It is very annoying and can cost you sometimes the championship. If I could honestly turn back time I would get something like T500 or even just the G27. Would of saved me many points. Think F1 mechanical issues.
It is ok for single player games when you can pause/restart.
But for live championship point type games like iRacing - if you are like me and Senna and you always want to win races, go with something more reliable. Particularly if you think about how much Fanatec pedals cost, you honestly would expect 100% working rate. If Logitech can do it, Thrustmaster can do it, it is just my view that you are the premium supplier you should get work rates higher.I am also simply talking about the basic issues like having a working PCB.

Exactly my issue. My T500 pedals on the other hand have always been reliable.

 

[Mahnegold]

On a performance level t500 pedals don't come close. This gets even worse when you consider how performance and reliability of the pedals will vary depending on what revision of the wheel you have. Newer revisions have torsion springs instead of compression springs. Reliability wise I have had no issues with my CSP over 3 years. On the other hand those torsion springs will fail. Thrustmaster will quickly send you more torsion springs though. Fanatec support will try to help you after sending a video and waiting a month.

I didn't even mention the lack of a load cell brake. Not many people will share your opinion on the t500 pedals.

It is the other way round: Newer revisions have compression springs.

For me the T500 pedals offer better performance. So I wouldn't make a general statement like you did. It is all the time a matter of taste. Believe me, I am not alone with my opinion. A load cell is not the "Messias" of sim-racing.

 

[ibuycheap]

For me the T500 pedals offer better performance. So I wouldn't make a general statement like you did. It is all the time a matter of taste. Believe me, I am not alone with my opinion. A load cell is not the "Messias" of sim-racing.

There are some on here that will swear by the g27 as the best wheel. The same as you will claim that T500 pedals offer better performance than CSP.

Both statements reflect someone's opinion on the subject but when compared on objective standards the CSP are still the better pedals despite your preference.

 

[OdeFinn]

There are some on here that will swear by the g27 as the best wheel. The same as you will claim that T500 pedals offer better performance than CSP.

G27 + AP Electrix Load Cell Mod, cheap and reliable - excellent for its price.
($340 incl. shipping)

 

[gtpiero205]

I was close to buy the csr wheel and the club sports pedals total 449,99 from fanatec web site, but after i was shocked seeing $42 dollars for ups ground.
Really??? 42 dollars for ups ground???
Whats wrong with this company????Never see something like that.
I was running a small web site time ago and i had a deal with ups.
Was not difficult to convince them to give me discounts and i paid around 18-25 dollars for ground for max 70 lbs.
A company like fanatec i really doubt they pay 20 dollars but more more less.
Deal break for me.
Got the t500 rs $499 with ups 2 days shipping for 16.99.

 

[bumer]

Whats wrong with this company????Never see something like that.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the company. There's probably something wrong with you. You are assuming too much. If some company sends me something free, so all other companies who ask shipping fee should be really f'****d up in your eyes. If you take bigger companies like Amazon or likes, they'll probably get better deals.
I once asked the UPS and DHL how much would a package with this size and that weight cost if I want to send it to Germany from my country and I was quoted about 160€. That made me wonder, how could Fanatec send the same package to me at about 30, while I should pay many times more.

 

[Mahnegold]

There are some on here that will swear by the g27 as the best wheel. The same as you will claim that T500 pedals offer better performance than CSP.

Both statements reflect someone's opinion on the subject but when compared on objective standards the CSP are still the better pedals despite your preference.

So failing magnetic sensors are better than reliable potentiometers? 256 steps of resolution are better than 1024 (when connected to the wheel)? You may want to show me your "objective standards"? And consider "value for the money" as well (a bit difficult, since you can't buy the T500 pedals as stand-alone).

The way you argue, the discussion is becoming pointless for me.

Other opinions are based on personal preference, your opinion is based on hard facts. LOL

 

[bumer]

So failing magnetic sensors are better than reliable potentiometers?

Are you sure sensors are failing not the board? I have had my pedals for over 4 years and none of the sensors have failed. Only my board was changed at the beginning, because gas and brake didn't go to 100% if pressed together (like you ever need to press both those pedals fully at the same time).

256 steps of resolution are better than 1024 (when connected to the wheel)?

You must have a one hell of a precise foot, wish I could reach to your level.

 

[Mahnegold]

Are you sure sensors are failing not the board? I have had my pedals for over 4 years and none of the sensors have failed. Only my board was changed at the beginning, because gas and brake didn't go to 100% if pressed together (like you ever need to press both those pedals fully at the same time).

You must have a one hell of a precise foot, wish I could reach to your level.

May it be the sensor itself or the board, the result is the same: the pedal input is not tranferred correctly into the sim.

And you started to talk about facts. I presented a fact. So don't turn my words around. Thank you.

 

[gtpiero205]

I don't think there's anything wrong with the company. There's probably something wrong with you. You are assuming too much. If some company sends me something free, so all other companies who ask shipping fee should be really f'****d up in your eyes. If you take bigger companies like Amazon or likes, they'll probably get better deals.
I once asked the UPS and DHL how much would a package with this size and that weight cost if I want to send it to Germany from my country and I was quoted about 160€. That made me wonder, how could Fanatec send the same package to me at about 30, while I should pay many times more.

You compare your self with a company like fanatec about the shipping fees?
Are you serious?
Do you really think that fanatec pays 42 dollars for the shipping???
When i was in italy with my my little business i pay 25 euro shipping fees with ups in most city in europa and 50 euro international.
i dont think you understand. i know because i was in this business.
if me as little reseller ,with 100 times less shipping then fantatec, had a deal for 20 dollars for a domestic shipping in the usa, do you really think fanatec pays more??
Please let's be serious you dont even know what you talking about

 

[ibuycheap]

So failing magnetic sensors are better than reliable potentiometers? 256 steps of resolution are better than 1024 (when connected to the wheel)? You may want to show me your "objective standards"? And consider "value for the money" as well (a bit difficult, since you can't buy the T500 pedals as stand-alone).

The way you argue, the discussion is becoming pointless for me.

Other opinions are based on personal preference, your opinion is based on hard facts. LOL

Let me expand the analogy since it is lost to you.

If you preferred the DFGT pedals over ECCI pedals would the DFGT pedals be better. Compare the materials, design, features etc and the ECCI pedals are clearly the better pedals. We don't have to go on point by point to show this but it is clear. This is the same case with the CSP and T500 pedals. Obviously you don't understand the difference between preferences and evaluation based on objective standards.

 

[bumer]

@gtpiero205

Maybe you are lucky to get such deal or maybe Fanatec just got a bad deal.
I'm just saying that to you, it may seem a lot while for others it may look normal or even cheap. For example I bought racing gloves from my country and shipping was 7€ even though they were just about 200km away and weighed only maybe about 100grams. It is just something I'm used to and I don't expect packages that weigh 150 times more and come from 8 times the distance to cost the same.

 

[Mahnegold]

Let me expand the analogy since it is lost to you.

If you preferred the DFGT pedals over ECCI pedals would the DFGT pedals be better. Compare the materials, design, features etc and the ECCI pedals are clearly the better pedals. We don't have to go on point by point to show this but it is clear. This is the same case with the CSP and T500 pedals. Obviously you don't understand the difference between preferences and evaluation based on objective standards.

You amuse me...

I said something about better feel and better reliability. You said, the pure facts speak for the CSP. I presented you figures, which speak for T500 pedals. You answered, one can't feel the difference.

I also never compared apples and oranges like you did (DFGT vs. ECCI). But I am too old to play silly games like that. So play with someone else. Have a nice day.

 

[gtpiero205]

@gtpiero205

Maybe you are lucky to get such deal or maybe Fanatec just got a bad deal.
I'm just saying that to you, it may seem a lot while for others it may look normal or even cheap. For example I bought racing gloves from my country and shipping was 7€ even though they were just about 200km away and weighed only maybe about 100grams. It is just something I'm used to and I don't expect packages that weigh 150 times more and come from 8 times the distance to cost the same.

Its no about lucky.
In USA the discount % is automatically applied to the ends of the month.
Its only one contract and only with that you pay a lot cheaper the ground shipping based on shipping quantity.
This is for everyone who has a business. Also you can deal with your sale representative to get price more down like i do and trust me after you show them you make good shipping you can get more cheaper discounts.
A company like fanatec which is in business for many year who sold more then 1000 wheels cannot pay 42 for a domestic shipping with ups ground
that is not possibile. Iam not so naive and you shouldn't be ether.
No offense

 

[bumer]

Iam not so naive and you shouldn't be ether.

The thing is that I don't really care how much it exactly costs and what they exactly do with that money. For sure it would be nice to pay less, but compared to how much I pay in my country daily, everything I order outside my country seems to be quite a bargain when it comes to shipping fees. It just looks to me that the grass is greener everywhere else anyway.

 

[gtpiero205]

The thing is that I don't really care how much it exactly costs and what they exactly do with that money. For sure it would be nice to pay less, but compared to how much I pay in my country daily, everything I order outside my country seems to be quite a bargain when it comes to shipping fees. It just looks to me that the grass is greener everywhere else anyway.

Compared to you country i can understand.
but trust me compared for Usa market the shipping fees are really high.
The most web site here in the Usa offer free shipping ups ground and costcaptain which is a small company offer free shipping with ups ground for the thrusmaster ts500 and 16.99 for two days ups shipping.
I would agree to pay 42 dollar for 2 days shipping but never for ups ground 5 days shipping this will also expose the wheel for more potential damage.
This make me and other buyer hold back and look for something else.
Hope you got it now

 

[AnAL0G]

I know that this is a sensitive issue, and I also realize that some people may be tired of talking about their reliability, but recently I've been considering upgrading to Fanatec gear and I've been a little shocked when researching to read about the reliability of their product, considering how much it costs. I am looking at this as a longterm investment. The problem with that though is obviously that if they have so many returns and defective devices, then how can I possibly trust my 1-year warranty, especially at that price range? I'd really love to hear from a few people who might convince me to go forward with Fanatec. Are you all out there?

 

[paskowitz]

I know that this is a sensitive issue, and I also realize that some people may be tired of talking about their reliability, but recently I've been considering upgrading to Fanatec gear and I've been a little shocked when researching to read about the reliability of their product, considering how much it costs. I am looking at this as a longterm investment. The problem with that though is obviously that if they have so many returns and defective devices, then how can I possibly trust my 1-year warranty, especially at that price range? I'd really love to hear from a few people who might convince me to go forward with Fanatec. Are you all out there?

I would say you run a decent risk when they release a new product. After 6-12 months the reliability noticeably improves. The CSW base is on what, its 2nd or 3rd version? The T500RS started kind rough if you remember. I would not worry too much at this point. TBH, nothing is ever going to beat Logitech in terms of reliability. All of their products are built to a pretty high standard.