Actually it was more to the point half have no creative mind whatsoever and would never think of such things, other half couldn't even step outside the drag forum to see that it was already known about for a while. It has always been faster than DS3, but once again, you knew everything about GT5 so I don't have to explain that to you. To the point Maccer only figured it out because I showed him a few times for him to get an idea of it being something other than tuning. Not my fault you can't figure things out on your own and now Maccer has shown you the light, you're just looking for another reason to hate on me. End of the day, I can tune the same way and still produce better times even though half are retro'd times, This however is the ultimate time achievable without tricks so, like Kaz said at the beginning of GT5 that you won't get the full immersion of the game without such accessories. Not my fault you haven't got one and certainly not a reason to hate on my times is it.
To be honest I felt sorry for you and others because I knew it you would never figure anything out without people like Maccer thus I have always respected him and his legit non retro'd times.